Topic 'Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread' in forum 'World of Warcraft' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-21971325 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:59:02 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:59:02 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22420380
Whereas with frost all you have to do is:

Crit button + HB + DND + BB and your job is done.

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. - RONALD REAGAN, Reason Magazine, Jul. 1, 1975]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22420380 Wed, 20 May 2009 23:33:55 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22417998 said by NYlock78:

So all I see is people saying Blood or Unholy but whats wrong with Frost. I am using this build right now »wowdata.getbuffed.com/talentplan···0;58677;
Any suggestions?
Basically, the lack of controllable burst is the major drawback of Frost. On shorter fights you'll notice your DPS lags a bit behind the other two specs but anywhere there's AoE damage to be done Frost does extremely well. I personally prefer Frost for the flexible rotation and strong 1v1 and AoE DPS potential. Single target DPS is still top-end raid potential.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22417998 Wed, 20 May 2009 15:40:21 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22415999 wowdata.getbuffed.com/talentplan···0;58677;
Any suggestions?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22415999 Wed, 20 May 2009 09:49:53 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22415918 said by Archivis:

30k unique views.

What now bitches.
You are amazing!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22415918 Wed, 20 May 2009 09:27:21 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22414165 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22414165 Tue, 19 May 2009 21:32:10 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22414162
Bob the Bobster still owns you tho: »[ Classes] DK best DPS spec]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22414162 Tue, 19 May 2009 21:31:45 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22414110
What now bitches.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22414110 Tue, 19 May 2009 21:22:13 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22413919 said by NICK79:

best idea in this post has got to be macro !Rune Strike to everything u do!!
If you are in raids/heroics, you'll never need it as dps. If you're a tank, I found it helpful to only bind to my RP dump macro:

/cast Frost Strike (or DC)
/cast !Rune Strike

Sometimes I don't want to rune strike. Not often, but rarely I need the RP for something else, and I don't ever want to force myself to use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22413919 Tue, 19 May 2009 20:46:05 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22413385
/castsequance reset = 25 Death Grip, Dark Command, Dark Command, Dark Command

Dark Command only has cooldown of 8 sec so i threw some extra on the end there just in case

im at work u may not want to do the whole copy/paste for that macro - i love spelling errors it seems lol

best idea in this post has got to be macro !Rune Strike to everything u do!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22413385 Tue, 19 May 2009 18:59:43 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22409497
#showtooltip
/cast Dark Command
/cast !Death Grip

or

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=[insert CD of your DG here] Death Grip, Dark Command
--
If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. - RONALD REAGAN, Reason Magazine, Jul. 1, 1975]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22409497 Tue, 19 May 2009 01:38:44 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22396012
You should NOT be using it as a part of your regular rotation. You should be using Dark Command to peel an add off someone else.

Also, Runeforge > Enchants.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22396012 Fri, 15 May 2009 20:06:48 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22395708
Also, had a nub question about runeforging... Are there any high level enchants that are better than the runeforge alternatives or will a runeforged weapon always outweigh any "similar" enchant? (similar meaning: +AP Enchant is "similar" to increased damage rune etc... if that makes sense)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22395708 Fri, 15 May 2009 18:49:59 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22387326 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22387326 Thu, 14 May 2009 08:31:21 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22387320
If your to be MT of your guild then do not concentrate for AoE dps but if you have the option go for OT since it makes better use of our class]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22387320 Thu, 14 May 2009 08:29:18 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22384151 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22384151 Wed, 13 May 2009 16:35:01 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22383458 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22383458 Wed, 13 May 2009 14:48:12 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22383047 said by Krisnatharok:

Can't see it at work... but wandering plague is an important part of AoE aggro in an Unholy build. You don't need to turn F/U runs to Death as Unholy revolves around Scourge Strike. You don't want to scatter all your aggro around minimally--you'll nearly always have a core group of targets closer to death that you will always have diseases on. Spread your diseases to the new adds, death coil the new ones once or twice, and Wandering Plague/Unholy Blight will do the rest. Gargoyle is still good for helping you finish off the mobs fast enough that you don't lose control of the adds.

Use of Army of the Dead varies on bosses. I hate using it at all on dragon bosses. In OS I usually only use it if on add control--they typically never get to the raid boss as I force them onto the enraged adds and usually get killed off by the waves. I typically keep it as a card up my sleeve in case things get too hectic. Its utility is more limited to 5-man heroics than raids.

If you want single target tanking AND AoE tanking, then dual spec frost or blood and then unholy. You cannot be a master of both--you'll fail at everything then.

My only concern about tanking adds as Frost is how long your aggro will last. Sure, you can d&d, HB, BB, but if you're talking heroic raid adds, and each one has a considerable healthpool, how long will you hold aggro versus pure dps AoE nuking the adds? I'd rather stick with Unholy for permanent, continuous AoE threat.

But as far as single target threat goes, I think you're going to have a hard time matching the threat of a Blood tank's own heals (they generate threat just like a healer does) + Dancing Rune Weapon buffed by Hysteria. Put the Greatness Card on him and you're talking about an incredible threat generator.
sorry i should have use a work friend calculator - I've given this build some thought

I understand the importance of Scourge Strike and did grab it in the talent tree to use for single target when needed but heres my thinking and why i would be willing to lose wandering plauge - healers ( in general )are having an issue IMO healing DK's - Im getting alot of avoidance going on and it "tricks" them because when i get hit a few times they r throwing these big heals on me thinking i need it and thinking they have time to give it when whats happening is while i wait on the cast time for the big heal i'll hit a string of no dodge/parry's and die - and if they get it off i have to deal with the fact that my healer just crit healed me for 14k+ and now some of my adds im tanking want to go say hi, the Death Strike helps me with that in more ways than one health/threat and will than give me 4 Death ruins

with this build shortly after the fight starts about the time your knee deep in adds/mobs/and damage you have aoe options - if im losing threat i can pop 7 BB if needed and there instant cast/ u dont need to take time to target anyone/ they do damage now if u have a disease on them or not and mine are criting for around 1400 ( w/ 3 diseases ) - and with 7 of them @ instant cast u could sustain alot of dps/threat over a long peroid of time, if new adds show up popping pestalince takes a blood rune so u got plenty of them and BB will hit them anyway ( just not for as much )

what i want out of my build is to beable to spreed diseases when ever needed ( not something i want to have to wait on a cooldown ) and pop aoe dmg/threat whenever needed - and the runic power from all those BB insure UB stays up and IF and runic strike stays striking ( which i have macro to every other button i touch ) but thats about all im using my RP for - anything extra is nice but UB/IF/RS are the bread and butter

ive found that with a regular unholy rotation u have periods of down time where theres nothing u can do, so no matter what ur rotation is if something unexpected happens ( and all tanks know that feeling ) u have many instant options

its just an idea for a build and im going to try it for a min to see if there are any cons i havnt forseen or any pros i didnt expect but with the use of ruins over mana/rage i feel the this build will give more options to DK's for those "what now" situations, I am worred about losing wandering plauge but well see the impact after more test runs

think of the boss fight in UK where those adds keep coming - if they spawn during a bad spot in ur rotation it could be a few ticks before u have a ruin avalible to spread a disease or something and ur wandering plague/ UB may not beable to keep them from going to the healer when there throwing those big heals on us

this may not be endgame but im not ready for endgame yet - in my mind im useing this in 5 man content to gear for endgame - when i get there i may need to rethink things well see]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22383047 Wed, 13 May 2009 13:43:53 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381829 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381829 Wed, 13 May 2009 10:01:33 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381821 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381821 Wed, 13 May 2009 09:59:58 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381387 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381387 Wed, 13 May 2009 08:09:34 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381377 PS. I got a few enchants that give me +atk power plus many STR gems so i realy put out the threat.I prioritize even as a tank(OT)str over any other stat,(once i have it the the 545 def cap) and i still got 29.4 k hp unbuff which is more then enough.
PLZ all you dk tanks out there dont do what i see often and go put stam gems everywhere and stam enchants on everything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381377 Wed, 13 May 2009 08:06:23 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381057
Use of Army of the Dead varies on bosses. I hate using it at all on dragon bosses. In OS I usually only use it if on add control--they typically never get to the raid boss as I force them onto the enraged adds and usually get killed off by the waves. I typically keep it as a card up my sleeve in case things get too hectic. Its utility is more limited to 5-man heroics than raids.

If you want single target tanking AND AoE tanking, then dual spec frost or blood and then unholy. You cannot be a master of both--you'll fail at everything then.

My only concern about tanking adds as Frost is how long your aggro will last. Sure, you can d&d, HB, BB, but if you're talking heroic raid adds, and each one has a considerable healthpool, how long will you hold aggro versus pure dps AoE nuking the adds? I'd rather stick with Unholy for permanent, continuous AoE threat.

But as far as single target threat goes, I think you're going to have a hard time matching the threat of a Blood tank's own heals (they generate threat just like a healer does) + Dancing Rune Weapon buffed by Hysteria. Put the Greatness Card on him and you're talking about an incredible threat generator.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381057 Wed, 13 May 2009 03:33:22 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381029 www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xm···03103120

what do u think about this crazy build i came up with - its aoe unholy - i dropped the wandering plague to grab ability to turn my unholy/frost runes into death runes

rotation would be -
1 - DnD,Ps,It,Pest-
2 - Ds,Ds,UB,Rt,Pest BBx7 ( i got over 3k dps for about 6-7 seconds straight on 3 test dummies in tanking gear ) than repeat line 2 skipping UB and Rune Tap for IF and DC dumps

its sort of target friendly since only 4/15 attacks are single target and when repeting line 2 only 2/9 will be single target - the idea is use as many aoe attacks as possable

u want single target tanking with unholy for bosses..not sure about end game yet but for now i Army of the Dead at the begining of every boss fight (speced for 10 min cool down, and some i may AofD in the middle if theres a spot i know ahead atime about) keeps boss busy long enough to lay your stuff and grab a good agroo lead and the army always holds top agroo till than - may even burn thru to a frist phase quickly

ive only played with it but am very hopfull]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22381029 Wed, 13 May 2009 02:52:42 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22380862
The only other thing worth mentioning in Unholy is AMZ, but Acclimation is kind of similar and is up a lot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22380862 Wed, 13 May 2009 01:09:02 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377934
The AoE damage potential of Unholy along with passive effects makes it a strong tanking contender.

My argument with Frost is you're casting 3 AoE damage attacks per 10 seconds - HB (ideally glyphed) & 2x Blood Boil. This provides great damage reduction and snap aggro on AoE pulls without any kind of prep work at all. Alternatively you could D&D -> HB -> BB for great results where mobs are streaming in. Whichever rotation you use there simply isn't a great deal of "downtime" between AoE attacks where a passive ability becomes all that useful.

My tanking style focuses more on survival and the increased damage reduction provided by a glyphed HB on AoE without any kind of prep-work is fantastic.

I have no experience AoE tanking as Blood for the time being.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377934 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:59:52 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377933
Again i am not denying that Unholy is the better aoe tanking, i am just saying AoE tanking is still very manageable as a bloodspec, and the tradeoff for the (IMO) superior single target or boss tanking.

my typical pull rotation for aoe goes DND, deathgrip, IT, PS, BB, BB at this point i have more than enough aggro to start my rotation and tab through the targets, with the use of deathstrike i always have more than enough deathrunes to pop a couple BB's if needed to pick up adds, just sub them in place of HS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377933 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:59:36 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377839 said by JohnnyBoy:

said by Archivis:

Unholy is still king of Aoe tanking. Wandering Plague and Unholy Blight are killer.
The AoE crown appears to have passed to Frost. I have never been out-dpsed on AoE pulls by any other DK spec since 3.1.
The issue isn't necessarily being out DPS'd, it's about threat. Of course, DPS with amplified threat does mean threat, but the majority of threat comes from Howling Blast, which is on a cooldown.

What happens when you blow Howling Blast and three adds appear? What's your method for getting threat then?

Take all three specs. All your runes are on cooldown, what do you do?

Unholy is the only spec with passive AoE. The answer for Unholy is to simply drag your pack of adds over to the new adds and just stand in their way. Wandering Plague and Unholy Blight will pick up enough threat for your runes to come back off cooldown to start adding additional threat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377839 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:45:24 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377816 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377816 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:41:13 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377812 said by Archivis:

Unholy is still king of Aoe tanking. Wandering Plague and Unholy Blight are killer.
The AoE crown appears to have passed to Frost. I have never been out-dpsed on AoE pulls by any other DK spec since 3.1.

EDIT: Read incorrectly - for tanking Frost / Unholy are pretty competitive though I still feel Frost has the stronger AoE potential along with AoE frost fever for damage reduction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377812 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:40:38 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377797
That's something that Blood doesn't have is chaotic add management. Blood's Bloodboil is fine if you can collect the adds right away and get to work, but if adds come in mid rotation, then what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377797 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:38:53 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377778 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377778 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:33:54 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377592 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377592 Tue, 12 May 2009 14:00:41 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377587 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377587 Tue, 12 May 2009 13:59:29 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377227 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22377227 Tue, 12 May 2009 12:55:20 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22376543 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22376543 Tue, 12 May 2009 11:08:52 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22358702
As a Frost DK the bulk of my DPS is derived from Frost Strike and removing extra strikes from rotation becomes a pretty hefty DPS loss. On top of this all of my abilities are already well beyond the crit "soft cap" so the 3% crit buff on T8 2piece doesn't help much especially in comparison to the monster that 4piece T7 currently is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22358702 Fri, 08 May 2009 11:41:47 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22355043
I think 0/10/60 will seriously lack Runic power and would have too much downtime just auto-attacking and waiting for RP/Rune to come up.
SS, Ghoul and DC glyph. It would look like:
PS(15) - IT(10) - BS(10) - BS(10) - SS(20) - UB(-40) =25 RP left
Then
SS(20) - DC(-40) - SS(20) - SS(20) - DC(-40) = 5 left
We are ending doing 5 moves per rune rotation... sometimes 6.

Is grabbing IT glyph over SS a good idea? It would result in more RP per rotation, switching SS for IT,PS and DC/UB.

Also, there is a lot of ArP on T8 set (not sure how much, don't have access to this information atm) and it's one of the worst stats for unholy. Frost is kinda in the same boat, but at least we're doing more physical dmg with frost than Unholy.

Do you think Unholy going to be inferior to blood and Frost after 3.1.2?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22355043 Thu, 07 May 2009 16:20:57 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22327891 said by abg:

If it's all fights, it'd be nice to see the WWS/WMO of that.
i too support wws/wmo

if anyone has any meters they can post, people per raid, buffs handed out, gear checks, and the boss, id at least feel a bit better about being overgeared and still doing "bad" dps]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22327891 Sat, 02 May 2009 02:12:52 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22325057
If it's all fights, it'd be nice to see the WWS/WMO of that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22325057 Fri, 01 May 2009 14:57:04 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324999 Am i playing the same game cuz i feel a litle week if others are doing 18k crits with DS.
If im missing on something plz let me know so i can boost the dps i do a litle more over the edge.THX]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324999 Fri, 01 May 2009 14:46:01 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324885
In short, I doubt you're going to see anywhere near 12k with a cold-start DS on a target.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324885 Fri, 01 May 2009 14:25:27 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324863
The one thing I found as blood was that given the exact same buffs and debuffs, my crits still ranged anywhere from 7k to 11k. Perhaps Grim Toll procs were the big difference (~40% arp before 3.1).

19k seems more like w/ Hysteria on a gimmick fight, but perhpas not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324863 Fri, 01 May 2009 14:21:43 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324802 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324802 Fri, 01 May 2009 14:13:18 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324776 said by Warrok :

Im wondering how people get 12-19 K crits with DS while i always get around 9-10 k crits with about 6 k AP and using Betrayer of humanity which was best dps axe before 3.1.Either fights with a damage boost (Thad comes to mind), or while under the effects of hysteria, or both. I seriously doubt Blood DKs are pulling off 12-19k crits totally unmodified.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22324776 Fri, 01 May 2009 14:10:06 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22323137 said by Warrok :

Im wondering how people get 12-19 K crits with DS while i always get around 9-10 k crits with about 6 k AP and using Betrayer of humanity which was best dps axe before 3.1..just wondering.Im using glyph of DS plus hystaria plus all the goodies in blood tree to increase its dmg.and i got the off-hand that increases the DS base dmg..which increases mine to over 900 base dmg.Im really trying to figure it out.
see, thats what im trying to understand too...
my dk is full t7.5 and even got some ulduar gear last night and im still not crankin out numbers like these people are
ive thought about frost several times, and might even do my duel talent just to try it for the moment

i tried unholy and it was distasteful
riyo, ds does get a buff from diseases in dmg, read the tooltip a bit closer, my rotation for blood goes

line 1: it, ps, hs, ds, pest, dc dump
line 2: ds, ds, pest, hs, dc dump

i open with line 1 and repeat line 2
so in the end, i use dieases only once per fight, and against someone like kologram, where there are 3 parts, i can see an increase in dps a bit
but even without, and trying the ob route, i still cant get it to work like these other people doin 12-19k crits]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22323137 Fri, 01 May 2009 09:04:47 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22322963 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22322963 Fri, 01 May 2009 08:18:53 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318918
oh and to start your rotation you should PS first then IT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318918 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:54:42 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318478 said by Archerus :

I always been frost before 3.1, playing 1 disease 21/50/0.

I've tried 17/51/3 HB glyph and didn't liked it much, getting owned on the dps meter by a rogue with about the same gear quality (over 1k dps on most boss fight in Naxx25). I know they got buffed, but I was prolly doing something wrong lol.

Now I'm trying 13/51/7, Icy touch glyph, unholy presence.
It looks like that:
It-PS-OB-FS-BS-BS-FS
OB-FS-OB-FS-OB-FS HB when ryme proc, HoW when the cooldown is up for the extra RP....
You have 3 OB on your 2nd rotation because you have Epidemic. Unless you do it very fast with blood presence,
the disease will fell off on the 2nd OB. Even with unholy presence, just barely make it. When Rime or KM procs and time to use HB or FS, then I need to reapply the disease and that really mess up my rotation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318478 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:35:06 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318438 said by abg:

So I see a lot of people doing Blood and Unholy. I've been doing frost. Anyone else doing well with this, and if so, what's your spec, glyphs, and rotation?

I'm using this:

»wowdata.getbuffed.com/talentplan···7;58671;

Rotation is:
IT (macroed w/ blood tap) > OB > OB > BS > FS dump.
Use HB if Rime Procs or give it a spot over your first OB if you are fighting 2 or more mobs. Doing this in Unholy Pres seems to work best over Blood Pres. (was about ~100 dps average difference).

I've tried the same rotation with the HB glyph and it just doesn't seem to work quite as well and gets a bit sloppy with Rime procs. I was doing HB > OB > BS > BS > FS dump followed by HB > OB > OB > FS dump.

The big thing I've found is that OB is more single target dps than HB and by using the HB glyph you have to drop either IT or FS so you typically get 1 less frost strike a rotation, which is on par dps-wise with OB.

This spec/rotation is supposed to really shine when you get the glyph that incrases FS/DC dmg. Likewise, a mod that tells you when KM procs so you can dump a FS is very helpful as well.

Anyone else doing DPS frost, and if so, what are you doing for it?
I have the simular build like yours except I spec it for pvp.

»wowdata.getbuffed.com/talentplan···9;58677;

I was using your rotation before. You are right when Rime procs, it mess up my rotations. I use this rotation now.

IT-PS-OB-BS-BS-FS,
OB-HB-OB-FS.

Use FS when killing machine procs and use HB when Rime procs.

I use the EvenAlert mod, that will pop a big KM and Rime icon with timer when they proc. So I know it is time to use FS or HS.
If you are not using IT in your rotation, why you have IT glyph and Improved Icy Touch?

I love that Icy Talons, it makes KM procs so often.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318438 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:27:58 EDT Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318385
I've tried 17/51/3 HB glyph and didn't liked it much, getting owned on the dps meter by a rogue with about the same gear quality (over 1k dps on most boss fight in Naxx25). I know they got buffed, but I was prolly doing something wrong lol.

Now I'm trying 13/51/7, Icy touch glyph, unholy presence.
It looks like that:
It-PS-OB-FS-BS-BS-FS
OB-FS-OB-FS-OB-FS HB when ryme proc, HoW when the cooldown is up for the extra RP.
Using fallen crusader (razorice might be better).
It might be just the play style, but i'm doing more dps with this spec than unholy... i must be doing something wrong, because most ppl say unholy is the way to go in naxx gear...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Archivis-31-DK-Spec-Theorycraft-Thread-22318385 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:17:59 EDT