cdru
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| reply to jadebangle
Re: Not much improvement over docsis 2.0
said by jadebangle  :Its always 10/1, 20/2, 30/3 massive on the download side, pathetic on the upload side Please give an example where 2 or 3mbit upload isn't adequate for a residential connection.
Yes, you may be uploading all those 8megapixel images to flickr or posting your kids 2 hour birthday party video to youtube. All those things can benefit from faster speeds and would be nice, but 2 or 3mbits is adequate.
Don't get me wrong, faster is always nicer, but the overwhelming majority of users barely use their upstream now. |
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| said by cdru :said by jadebangle :Its always 10/1, 20/2, 30/3 massive on the download side, pathetic on the upload side Please give an example where 2 or 3mbit upload isn't adequate for a residential connection. Yes, you may be uploading all those 8megapixel images to flickr or posting your kids 2 hour birthday party video to youtube. All those things can benefit from faster speeds and would be nice, but 2 or 3mbits is adequate. Don't get me wrong, faster is always nicer, but the overwhelming majority of users barely use their upstream now. bittorrent |
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anony501
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| said by Eat Me : bittorrent
Bittorrent for personal use (e.g. sharing a home video with friends and family) or bittorrent for commercial use, allowing 3rd parties to use (for profit) the ISP bandwidth to share to people you have no relationship with. |
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jadebangle
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100/20 would be considered generous 
Charter offer 60/5
So 100/5 or 100/10 would be the ideal next higher tier if offered in the future
correction, the majority of us have fast download, slow upload. Just because many of us have slow upload doesn't mean that we don't use much of it. It just mean that we can't use much of it even if we want to. It would be a lot faster to download then to upload. It is frustrating for many of us that want to upload large file so many of us do not bother
Not all of us just leech most of us do what is convenient so leeching allow us to absorb huge amount of bandwidth.
Its by design...
Is it possible to give us 5/5, 10/10, 20/20 etc on cable internet? sure its possible but it would mean that you can freely upload as much as you download and that is what they are trying to prevent in the first place
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My comment was tongue in cheek.
On a serious note, a lot of people are telecommuting these days and they need the upload to upload large files quickly.
They probably should be using a business account but I doubt that a telecommuter would be able to afford an OC connection to their home.
Cable commercial accounts are out because they use DOCSIS. |
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| reply to cdru
And i suppose 640k oughta be enough for anyone? Seriously.
Want to do fast online backups? Want to grab files fro home at high speed when on the road? Want to have a remote desktop experience that's like sitting at the computer? You need better upload speeds.
If FiOS was here, I'd pay the extra money for a 20/20 symmetric connection, no doubt.
Before you say it, no I'm not getting a business line; they still only have 2 Mbps of upload here. |
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cdru
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| reply to Eat Me
said by Eat Me :On a serious note, a lot of people are telecommuting these days and they need the upload to upload large files quickly. They probably should be using a business account but I doubt that a telecommuter would be able to afford an OC connection to their home. You don't need an "OC" connection to have a fast connection, but yeah, it's not necessarily going to fit under the definition of a residential connection.
Even with telecommuting, the necessity to be uploading large files frequency can be minimized with some planning. And if you are constantly needing to transfer large files, maybe telecommuting isn't the best fit for the job. |
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| said by cdru :Even with telecommuting, the necessity to be uploading large files frequency can be minimized with some planning. And if you are constantly needing to transfer large files, maybe telecommuting isn't the best fit for the job. Try working in video or audio production.
There are people doing that from home and who need all the upload they can get.
In any case the problem is not a broadband class warfare between "residential" and "business" connections because business connections are often based on the same limited DOCSIS and ADSL standards. |
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jesseb_66
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| reply to jadebangle
I bought an hd Camcorder a few months ago we upload all the time. We just had a baby girl and post videos for the fam back East in MP4.
It can take awhile I ussually start uploads before work and let em run from there.
The demand for higher upload is comming.just because you can't think of a need doesn't mean there isn't.
ISP's had better start getting ready. |
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| said by jesseb_66 :I bought an hd Camcorder a few months ago we upload all the time. We just had a baby girl and post videos for the fam back East in MP4. It can take awhile I ussually start uploads before work and let em run from there. The demand for higher upload is comming.just because you can't think of a need doesn't mean there isn't. ISP's had better start getting ready. Home security, control and surveillance controlled via the internet is also on the rise. |
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dadkins
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| reply to cdru
said by cdru :Please give an example where 2 or 3mbit upload isn't adequate for a residential connection. Offsite Backups for one...
3 computers here in this room.
Sure would like to do monthly offsite backups - but at 10-18GB for each computer(that comes to something like 30-54GB), 2mbps would be painful.
I have 2.2mbps(nominal) upload now... but I don't want to trash my connection for hours.
2mbps = 900MB per hour
5 hours = 4500MB
12 hours = 10800MB
24 hours = 21600MB
48 hours = 43200MB
This is under ideal conditions with no other connection usage.
So, for me to backup my machines I would have to possibly upload for 50+ hours and not use the connection for anything else otherwise it will take longer?
Uhm, yeah. 
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| said by dadkins :said by cdru :Please give an example where 2 or 3mbit upload isn't adequate for a residential connection. Offsite Backups for one... 3 computers here in this room. Sure would like to do monthly offsite backups - but at 10-18GB for each computer(that comes to something like 30-54GB), 2mbps would be painful. I have 2.2mbps(nominal) upload now... but I don't want to trash my connection for hours. 2mbps = 900MB per hour 5 hours = 4500MB 12 hours = 10800MB 24 hours = 21600MB 48 hours = 43200MB This is under ideal conditions with no other connection usage. So, for me to backup my machines I would have to possibly upload for 50+ hours and not use the connection for anything else otherwise it will take longer? Uhm, yeah. Yes, I agree with that. What happens when you have a backup that's a little over 100GB. THAT would be truely painful, wouldn't it? |
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dadkins
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| said by Chris 313 :Yes, I agree with that. What happens when you have a backup that's a little over 100GB. THAT would be truely painful, wouldn't it? EXACTLY!
What if you had two computers... 
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Phil
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said by cdru :Please give an example where 2 or 3mbit upload isn't adequate for a residential connection. Varies from one person to the next, but gaming servers, P2P, FTP server, streaming content from home, online backups, etc.. There are numerous reasons justifying faster uploads. |
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said by dadkins :said by Chris 313 :Yes, I agree with that. What happens when you have a backup that's a little over 100GB. THAT would be truely painful, wouldn't it? EXACTLY! What if you had two computers... Over 200GB! No thanks! Makes me glad I have an external here to do more frequent backups vs what I'd do online with 200GB worth of stuff to back up.
I'd do twice a month on my external if I had that much, while online, I'd do it once maybe every 2-3 months.
Also, you have to be aware of Comcast's combo 250GB cap when doing something that large.
Yeesh! |
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| said by Chris 313 :said by dadkins :said by Chris 313 :Yes, I agree with that. What happens when you have a backup that's a little over 100GB. THAT would be truely painful, wouldn't it? EXACTLY! What if you had two computers... Over 200GB! No thanks! Makes me glad I have an external here to do more frequent backups vs what I'd do online with 200GB worth of stuff to back up. I'd do twice a month on my external if I had that much, while online, I'd do it once maybe every 2-3 months. Also, you have to be aware of Comcast's combo 250GB cap when doing something that large. Yeesh! Heh..
We have file server with 1.8TB data, 3 computers all approaching 800GB on their drives, plus a few external's all needing to be backed up.
Off-site back ups with a typical residential cable/dsl connection is all but impossible, not enough upload as well as silly caps.
as others have said, upload is becoming increasingly needed just to do routine things.. we ourselves do a lot of video and audio here and hate waiting hours to upload a simple 15 min HD vid clip. |
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cdru
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said by Phil :said by cdru :Please give an example where 2 or 3mbit upload isn't adequate for a residential connection. Varies from one person to the next, but gaming servers, P2P, FTP server, streaming content from home, online backups, etc.. There are numerous reasons justifying faster uploads. Servers are almost always forbidden from a residential connection. Whether the provision of the TOS is enforced or not is another topic.
I've streamed video and audio from home numerous times when I had a 2mbit fios connection without issues. Sure it wasn't 1080p HD with 7.1 surround sound, but picture quality and sound was more then adequate.
Are your backups really time sensitive that they MUST get there within a certain timeframe? Do you really have multi-gigabytes of data that must be backed up, in full, very frequently where a differential or incremental backup would suffice?
As I originally said, faster is always going to be nicer. My point was that for an overwhelming majority of customers, 2 or 3mbit is significantly more then what they need. They are using online backup services to backup MAYBE a gig or two of files. They aren't using it to backup their entire divx movie collection they pirated. They maybe have a game server, but it's much more likely they are just a client on someone else's server. For the hardcore pirate, hardcore gamer, or the file backuper with OCD, there are "needs" for faster speeds. But saying that 2,3,5 mbits is pathetic is wrong as the market, as a whole, just doesn't need faster and/or more symmetrical connections. |
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Lindenhurst, NY | Not on Opt online boost. Web servers and email servers are allowed on boost with their ports open. |
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Phil
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Camarillo, CA | reply to cdru
Well I'm most definitely in the minority when it comes to upload usage and I don't even run P2P apps. |
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| reply to jadebangle
My belief is that the internet is a computer network that is two way, and the option should be available for those that want it, of having better upstream, even if on residential. We're not even using the full potential of docsis 2.0, or even ADSL's upstream potential.
Why is every single residential ISP except Verizon afraid to give users better upload? with folks such as myself wanting to do off site file backups, or stream high quality audio/video, or perhaps have uses for upstream noone's thought of yet, why not give us at least the option of allowing the technology to do the most it can for those that want to make use of it?
If one lives close enough to a DSLAM to achieve 1Mbit upstream sync, why not allow a user to get that if they want it? I agree, not all users will currently want more upload, but we shouldn't be prevented from getting it just because we don't run a business!
If cablevision can offer a 5Mbit upstream tier over the exact same cable technology I'm currently using with TWC, why isn't TWC offering me the option of a 5Mbit upstream tier? It makes 0 sense if you ask me. |
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