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Re: Adipose RX Will do once the owner of the card returns. Not sure where she put it. So are you guys going after them? | |
 nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
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| reply to kokkinoula
Do you think we will ever find out where the security breach was? That's hard to say.
Typically, there are attempts to cover up the problem. And the information comes out only when there is enough that has leaked to already identify the source (so that the denial can no longer be sustained).
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 Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
kudos:18 | reply to Tired of this
said by Tired of this :I just found a charge from yesterday from CARALLUMMA EXTREME 800-518-9164, called the number and it said to call back or go to their web site www.loseweightsystems.com (I think).. I went there and it had nothing there but a form and obviously was for a diet pill... I have never bought diet pills in my entire life..It was a charge for 34.84 Now I just noticed it used my husbands debit card not mine.. How did they get it? My husband doesn't even know how to work a computer..LOL.. This is the 3rd time this has happened to me by scammers I never ordered from.. So I am off to call the bank, hubby is going to be PISSED off because they will have to cancel his card...sigh...  Because the source is not your computer, that is why. The source is the Credit Card Companies and the Credit Card Transaction Processors. You can't secure something that is not within your grasp or control and is being run by companies that don't care as they are getting their commissions and their income regardless of the charges being legitimate or not. It is a part of Our Financial System that needs a major cleaning out and a full, complete overhaul.
How did it happen to you this time if it was Your Husbands card? It has nothing to do with Your Husbands computing skills. Or Yours either. This happens to cards that have never even been used once to make a purchase anywhere.
It simply is the numerous and continuing breaches in security at the level where we are blindly trusting the Banks, Card Issuers and Transaction Clearing Houses (aka Payment Processors) to keep our data secure and they are not doing the job, but they still get all the financial benefits like they were.
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| reply to MGD
Here is the line from the statement:
3/4/09 H AND F ONLINE 866-2240708 AZ $29.95 | | |
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| reply to nwrickert
According to other sites, people have reported charges from Adipose RX were coming from Utah in January. Then in February this thread started with charges from out of the country. The fact that this company has people's home and email addresses tells me the card numbers did not come from a breach. All reports on breaches have indicated only card numbers were obtained. It is more likely this company obtained, or purchased card numbers along with other info from another source or database. | |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | reply to kokkinoula
said by kokkinoula :
Received an unauthorized charge from H and F Online, and Asipose RX. If they have anything in common it could be that H and F could be health and fitness that goes w/ this adipose rx if it's a diet pill. This is horrible esp. since the person who's card got charged has never even bougght anything online! I don't know how this happened.
The card holder should contact the financial institution and notify them that both charges are FRAUDULENT, and request that a new card number be issued.
said by kokkinoula :
Here is the line from the statement:
3/4/09 H AND F ONLINE 866-2240708 AZ $29.95
Thanks,
H AND F ONLINE 866-224-0708 AZ $29.95
That phone number belongs to reliablecustomersupport.com out of Mesa, AZ., aka reliablecustomersupport@gmail.com. The 866-224-0708 number which is a Ring Central forwarding number is a fresh one for reliablecustomersupport.com.
Previous numbers for them have been directly associated with both AdiposeRX, CARALLUMA, and a host of other entities that have mutiple identical scam and fraud reports.
800-507-7385:
»800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-507-7385
quote:
2 Feb 2009
i went online, what? a charge on there for 29.99 from Myfitness8005077385 American Fork Ut and another one from adipose-rx 8004301529 for 34.84. i called my CC Co. to block my acct. and they already are issuing me another CC with new number. but i am disputing this charge not made from me. the only thing i can think of is-the only one that has this CC number on file is Paypal. i don't use it anywhere else. me too, want to know how can this happen.
Also: 800-708-9528
»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=80···G=Search
I went digging to find a relationship between
H AND F ONLINE 866-2240708 AZ $29.95 and reliablecustomersupport.com »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2···t.com%22
An audit of the relevant hosting IPs produced a basket of domains all with privacy cloaked registrations:
IP Address: 69.72.221.26 [reverse DNS - server1.genuinetrust.net]
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SSL Cert: track.paydayconnectonline.com
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HOSTING:
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01. 41mediainc.com
02. Alarmrate.com
03. Cortitherm.com
04. Defenddonstapley.com ----------> ???
05. Elitesecuritycompany.com
06. Fairwayestatesrigby.com
07. Gardenpestcontrol.net
08. Grantfundingnow.com
09. Healthandfitnessgreentea.com
10. Hiddenacresid.com
11. Idcardsecure.com
12. Idealwealthbuilder.com
13. Lifeprotect.org
14. Makeitlegalonline.com
15. Mobilehomeparkusa.com
16. Mylivefitnesscoach.com
17. Mysecureinternetorder.com
18. Nationalgrantkits.com
19. Newacaiweightloss.com
20. Paydayconnectonline.com
21. Paydaytreehouse.com
22. Personalfinancementor.com
23. Reliablecustomersupport.com ----------> LOOK
24. Smarthomesecuritysystems.com
25. Snakeriverrvpark.net
26. Sugarshanenelson.com
27. Thebestalarmsystem.com
28. Thebestsecuritysystem.com
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69.72.221.27 [no reverse DNS set]
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69.72.221.28 [no reverse DNS set]
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1. Healthandfitnessdepotonline.com ---> LOOK
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69.72.221.29 [no reverse DNS set]
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1. Grantfundingplace.com
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69.72.221.30 [no reverse DNS set]
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1. Realestateinvestmentmentors.com
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All the DNS for the above domains is provided:
Domain servers in listed order:
NS21.REDSPOTSYSTEMS.COM
NS22.REDSPOTSYSTEMS.COM
Remember them, I have more to say on that issue.
There are several physical addresses that link to
quote:
Contacting Us
To Contact Us, you can email us at support@reliablecustomersupport.com or Call us at 1-800 -985-9476. We are located at 500 E. Comstock Dr., Chandler, AZ 85225
Ref: www.grantfundingmentor.com/billing.html
One of the businesses associated with the address 500 E. Comstock Dr., Chandler, AZ is Fas -cocoders.com, which is owned by Roger Van Steenkiste. Many of the other domains on the li st trace to a Mike Van Steenkiste: »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=48···19&aq=f& oq=
mgvi development, Inc.
Corporate Headquarters
2837 E. Menlo St. Mesa,AZ 85213
Main: 480-570-9719
Fax: 480-907-2828
mike@mgvidevelopment.com
»www.linkedin.com/pub/5/57/90a
MGD | |
| reply to kokkinoula
so I just got this email:
"The majority of our companies are internet-based companies. They run promotions and marketing through AOL, Google, Yahoo, and other highly used search engines. Our companies also utilize affiliate marketing with an emphasis on direct email campaigns.
This was an order for a weight management product which included membership to an online health, fitness and well-being network. You may cancel your membership at any time.
Best regards,
Dee P.
Customer Service Manager
Reliable Customer Support
www.reliablecustomersupport.com
800-708-9528 Toll Free
302-482-8089 Direct"
I don't want to receive anything and it was my mother-in-law who received the unauthorized charges. What's going on/ what should I do? | |
| reply to MGD
Just received this email:
"The majority of our companies are internet-based companies. They run promotions and marketing through AOL, Google, Yahoo, and other highly used search engines. Our companies also utilize affiliate marketing with an emphasis on direct email campaigns.
This was an order for a weight management product which included membership to an online health, fitness and well-being network. You may cancel your membership at any time.
Best regards,
Dee P.
Customer Service Manager
Reliable Customer Support
www.reliablecustomersupport.com
800-708-9528 Toll Free
302-482-8089 Direct"
It was my mother-in-law's account that was unlawfully charged. What do I do? I don't want to be involved in this mess. They must have linked the phone # to my email address? | |
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·Future Nine Corp..
| Don't bother handling it with the scammers, that will just help perpetuate the fraud. Instead, have your MIL contact the bank to file a fraud report (they'll send a one to two page form to complete, maybe ten minutes, well worth it) and send her a new card. That card number and other data is now in criminal hands and "disputing" the charge, or accepting a refund, will only keep her being a victim every month from here on. | |
| reply to nwrickert
My CC called me today stating that they are suspecting some fraudulent charges occurring on my account. Apparently the company named AdiposeRX has charged $34.84 in the very early morning on my CC. From reading these it seems to me that the company or someone in the company is running this scam. | |
nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
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Geneva, IL
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·AT&T U-Verse
| Interesting. That suggests that the banks are finally wising up to this fraud. And that's a good thing.
In your case, your bank should send you a replacement card, and cancel the charges. You should pay attention to your bill and mail to make sure that this happens. | |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9
1 edit | said by nwrickert:Interesting. That suggests that the banks are finally wising up to this fraud. And that's a good thing. .... .. Yes it looks that way. Unfortunately in the card processing system there is no way to globallly block or blacklist a specific merchant account. However, individual banks can, and do, eiher block or set trigger alerts for charges originating from specific merchant accounts as they come into their individual systems.
I posted a while back regaring the coding work that was done for maughan's subscriptionmarketinginc.com. »Re: Adipose RX One of the coding work items listed was linked to the: >http://secure.subscriptionmarketinginc.com/assuredventures directory and came up as profitsin9days.com.
Take note of this recent cryptic post, and note the reference to card fraud that I highlighted:
Ref:»community.intuit.com/contests/bN···ab8P4pmk
MGD
| |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | reply to nwrickert
said by nwrickert:Can you post the line item details of the charge? Was there a phone number listed?
02/01 02/01 ADIPOSE RX 8004301529 KNA 34.84
02/19 FOREIGN TRANSACTION FEE*FINANCE CHARGE 1.04
said by MGD:When you call your bank to report the fraud charge, as them if they can or will tell you the name of the "acquirer bank". They may not know how to decode it, or are willing to disclose it, they should. I suspect that the KNA coding is the use of the ISO country code for Saint Kitts and Nevis. If so, that would be a page right out of the offshore fraud haven manual. MGD Additional investigating confirms that the "KNA" is in fact an abbreviation for Saint Kitts and Nevis. and is where the merchant account and acquirer bank is located. Some victims are reporting "KN", however, that is because the data field for the line entry has only a certain number of characters, and the "A" may be cut off.
The specifc location of the KNA code is Nevis in St. Kitts and the actual address is believed to be: 642 Main Street, Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean
Additional confirmation of that address was located during an audit of Maugan's "Prolero" directory on subscriptionmarketinginc.com where the "contact us" link on "RemBright" whitener »secure.subscriptionmarketinginc.···ndex.php
quote:
Rembright White Total Care
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Shipping and Other Questions
If you have questions about your order status, shipping address, billing issues, etc. please contact our email support team 24 hours/day by sending an email to: support@rembrightwhite.com.
Call our live customer support Monday through Saturday 7am to 7pm MST at 800-786-9082.
Cancelling, Refunds, Billing
To quickly and easily cancel your order, request your no-worry-guarantee refund, or to obtain an RMA, please call:
800-786-9082
To contact us via mail, please send correspondence to:
1155 West Pioneer Blvd. Suite 103-211
Mesquite, NV 89027
Our Operations in St. Kitts is: 642 Main Street, Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean
1155 West Pioneer Blvd. Suite 103-211 = »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=11···aq=f&oq= and is also associated with the following numbers: 800-430-1529 888-332-5541 877-297-2311
642 Main Street, Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean is associated with several entities.»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=64···aribbean
Earnmicrosoftcash, LLC AKA earnmicrosoftcash.com
and
JC Marketing LTD AKA JC Marketing LLC jcmarketingllc.com
Not only is JC Marketing not sure if it is an LLC or a Limited Company: Copyright 2009 JC Marketing LTD and its domain JCMarketing llc .com. They are also not sure if St. Kitts is in the US or not, or even where they ae located. Their terms and conditions appear to be a hurried alteration of an existing document that smeels of an entity trying to project themselves as being outside the jusrisdiction:
quote:
Legal Forum, Choice Of Laws & Official Language
This offering is a contract between you the buyer and our business, the seller. The seller is located in St. George, Nevis, East Caribbean, U.S.A. and by doing business with us you agree that this offering is made from St. George, Nevis, East Caribbean, U.S.A and shall be governed by the laws of the State of Nevada and the U.S.A.. By electing to participate in this offer, you are entering into a contract
This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of Nevis, East Caribbean, without regard to its conflict of laws rules. Any legal action arising out of this Agreement shall be litigated and enforced under the laws of the State of Nevada. In addition, you agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the courts of the State of Nevada, and that any legal action pursued by you shall be within the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts Charlestown in the State of Nevis, East Caribbean, USA.
The terms constituting this offering are set forth in writing on this Web site. You hereby agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the State and Federal Courts located in Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean, U.S.A to resolve any disputes or litigation hereunder. Whether or not you choose to print this offering, containing the terms and conditions as described herein, you agree that this contract constitutes a writing.
Ref:»www.jcmarketingllc.com/newbizop/···ions.cfm
Once again the contact number used on that page 800-597-9570 has a host of fraud charge complaints:
quote:
HB Products Unlimited Complaints - Mysterious charge on credit card
Company information:
HB Products Unlimited
5647 West Wells Park Road
West Jordan, Utah
United States
Phone: 800-597-9570
www.hbproduct.com
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Mysterious Charge of $69.97 on my credit card. I called to dispute with my credit card company and they somehow claimed that I bought some Hoodia stuff on the PHONE with them in May, 2008. My credit card company is looking into it. The only thing I use my credit card to pay for is my cable bill. I wonder how they got my info
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My dad was charged a mysterious charge on May 15, 2008 for $69.97 on his Discover card at 11:01 p.m. He disputed the charge with the credit card company and they said that HB Products had his name, address, and phone number. He called the number that the cc company gave him and was caller #12. He stayed on the phone for 5 (if you could believe it) hours. He was #1 for over an hour and gave up! He called back the cc company and they said he didn't have to pay for it and not to worry. I thought I would try googling them for more information and found this website. I hope these scamers are caught soon!
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Ref: »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=800-597-9570
The domain registration for jcmarketingllc.com currently shows:
Registration Service Provided By:
Attitude Ink
Contact: domains@smartnetdevelopment.com
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Domain name: jcmarketingllc.com
.
Administrative Contact:
Attitude Ink
Attitude Ink (domains@smartnetdevelopment.com)
+1.8666520479
Fax: +1.7028356891
10161 Park Run Drive
Suite 150
Las Vegas, NV 89145
US
.
However back on 06/05/2008 it was registered as follows:
Registration Service Provided By:
SmartNet Development, Inc
Contact: domains@smartnetdevelopment.com
.
Domain name: jcmarketingllc.com
.
Administrative Contact:
SmartNet Development, Incsmartnetdevelopment.com)
+1.8666520479
Fax: +1.7028356891
10161 Park Run Drive
Suite 150
Las Vegas, NV 89145
US
.
The choice of Saint Kitts and Nevis is not an accidental random dart on the map. They are long known for "look the other way banking" and money laundering.
At the start of this thread I mentioned how Utah has been ground zero for a multi year string of these kinds of frauds. The reason that thousands of consumers are now reporting a massive fraud run, is because government entities have chosen not to act upon these in the past. We have seen reports on this forum for several years of this type of operations all headquartered in Utah with a triangle relationship between there nd Nevada and Arizona.
All of them have common themes that begin on the fringe of legality and are based on deception.
They all begin with low cost shipping of "FREE" trials, 14 days from the date of shipment, rarely arrive with more than 4 days until a monthly charge of ~ $100 hits. Negative option opt out, your are in for a monthly charge for life, along with "courtesy" enrollments of your card in several other programs. These programs would not exist except for banks acceptance of the negative option system. None allow cancellation via email, rather they require calling a toll free cancellation number. There are a multitude of reports that these numbers are rarely answered, or have deliberate excessive wait times all in a efort to deter cancellation. In fact, in my opinion the relative ease with which this programs accepts quick cancellations is to mitigate the charge back fees that are expected in this type of run. Multiple victims are reporting that even after cancellation they are passed on to another entity the next month and the proces starts all over again.
To underscore the long running history of these operation:
Note the administrative contact for the jcmarketingllc.com domian listed above SmartNet Development, Inc AKA smartnetdevelopment.com. Take a trip back to circa late 2006 early 2007, and this internet posting titled:
Misidentified as a Scammer
quote:
Twice in the past couple of weeks we’ve been contacted by people who thought we had charged their credit card against their will. We didn’t, but you might find this interesting.
When the calls came in I immediately knew that it wasn’t us, but I also felt it was my duty to help these individuals. After all, someone is out there giving SEOs a bad name! They had obviously been ripped off and I wanted to do what I could.
Both callers stated that they were charged multiple times (in increments of approx $15) for an SEO guide. The specific details shown on the statement were ‘pm-seoguide.com’ and ‘NV’. We’re located in Nevada so that’s how these two made the connection to us, but I have not been able to duplicate any search that brings up my company with ’seo guide’. Strange.
The Culprit
With the callers on the phone I had them type in www.pm-guide.com in their browser. That URL redirects to a SEO Learning Center. What is most interesting about this is that there are several links for help, contact, news, etc. but all of them lead you right back to a login page.
In order to continue, you must first log in. Please enter your username and password to log in.
Hmmm. Friendly.
So I did a quick check of their whois information and found this:
Administrative Contact:
SmartNet Development, Inc
SmartNet Development (domains@smartnetdevelopment.com)
+1.8666520479
Fax: +1.7028356891
10161 Park Run Drive
Suite 150
Las Vegas, NV 89145
US
I provided the above information on to each caller; it was the least I could do. Then I did a bit of searching on my own. Doesn’t look like these guys have a good reputation.
Beware! Check your credit card statements. We have another scammer in action, charging peoples credit cards without their permission. Let’s hope somebody stops these guys through legal means. And soon.
That thread »www.polepositionmarketing.com/em···scammer/ is then followed by multiple complaints and victim postings, including one that names the company as:
quote:
Michael Hutchins says:
Hello All,
SmartNet Development is actually located in Saint George, Utah. They are a company that specializes in “Internet Offers”. You think you’re only paying $1.97 S&H for a Free Cd but where they get you is on the “Thank You” page. after your card is charged and you’re sent to the “Thank You” page your actually enrolled in “Trial Offers” and if you don’t cancel out SmartNet will get upwards of $72.00 a month from your credit card.
Customer Support: 435-654-0479
President: Alan Dunn
Email: alan@smartnetdevelopment.com
Vice President: Clint Coonfer
Email: clint@smartnetdevelopment.com
Chief Financial Officer: Darrin Toone
Internet Offers:
Fast Web Profit
Fast Auction Profit
Rapid Auction Response
Rapid Auction Profit
PM-SEOGIDE.COM
PM-KEYWORDSUCCESS.COM
PM-CLICKBUILDER.COM
PM-FASTACTION.COM
PM-KEYWORDSUCCESS.COM
searchenginlearningcenter.com
I Hope this helps.
December 27th, 2007 at 8:29 am
Nov 21, 2006
Consumer division of Utah cites SmartNet Development
The Utah Division of Consumer Protection announced Monday that it has issued an administrative citation against SmartNet Development and its Internet company, Fast Auction Profit, for "misleading consumers through deceptive sales practices."
According to a statement released by the division, consumers who thought they were signing up for a "free CD" from Fast Auction Products to learn how to sell products on eBay were not aware they also were agreeing to pay up to $70 in services billed monthly to their credit cards. The division alleges that SmartNet "buried" these sales terms in its "Terms of Contract" section.
A hearing between SmartNet and the division is scheduled for Dec. 21. The St. George-based companies face a potential fine of up to $22,500.
ref: »findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q···16859290
Again, fraud complaints:
»www.complaintsboard.com/complain···800.html
»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/2···4050.htm
»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/2···4733.htm
MGD | |
| reply to garys_2k
Yeah, she contacted the cc company and cancelled the card & they are to issue her a new card. I just hope we don't start getting these pills in the mail and like others once the new card has been set up will continue to receive charges. | |
| reply to MGD
I think that a trigger alert/ red flag was set up/ popped up on my mil's CC acct because the only reason we found out about these charges is when the cc company called her to inquire about the Adipose RX charges that had been made that day & it was only 10 a.m. She's lucky her cc company had that alert otherwise we wouldn't have found out about it and linked it to the H & F online charge until much later. | |
| reply to nwrickert
I've been reading this forum for a couple of days. First I would like to say THANK YOU for providing excellent information. I used it to contact Shaun Shelton--who at first denied any connection but later sent me this-- said by Shaun Shelton :
"I own a company that provides customer support and billing for companies with products to sell. Like ebay or amazon does. I don't sell products of any kind.
The company to which you are referring is a client of mine providing diet products to their customers. They have thousands and thousands of happy customers. Every customer gets complaints. they are no different. They have a toll free number and a website and a no questions asked refund policy. If you have an issue with them, call them. If you can prove fraud, I will gladly address this with them directly, as I don't allow anything dishonest to be sold through my system.
As far as the complaints you are referring to, welcome to the wonderful world of business. You want to see complaints of scam?? Google walmart or ebay or disneyland or sprint. These companies get labeled scams all the time.
I suggest you contact them directly and address this with them. If you can show me you were defrauded, I will take action on my end. But I am not the company providing these pills. Let me know if you need their number and I will look it up for you. Should be clearly displayed by your charge. "
Of course he has not answered after I asked how he got my credit card info since he provides billing.
Pete Maughan will not answer emails or his phone. Bummer.
I have filed reports with the FTC, US Postmaster, Internet Crime people (FBI), Better Business Bureau in Utah, the state of Utah Attorney General, and my own State Attorney General. Of course my credit card company knows-- Chase-- but I am willing to bet that they are just writing off that amount, closing my account, and sending me new cards.
My story -- I received a bottle of Adipose RX pills in my mailbox-- I called the company thinking this was a mistake. Of course the gal (Courtney) told me that my husband had ordered them on March 19 and told me the last 4 digits of our credit card #. She did not have an email address on file but had our phone number and address (caller id?). I immediately called the credit card company and you know the rest of the story. I have not gotten a statement yet but the charges are online as
"03/19/2009 03/20/2009 Sale ADIPOSE RX(Services and Merchandise) $34.84"
The info on my bottle-- 877-763-5283 www.loseweightsystems.com
Thank you for the info and I will keep following this thread any follow any more advice. | |
| reply to Michelle F
Hi, I am a consumer class action lawyer in the San Francisco, CA area and I am investigating some of these dietary supplement scams. The FTC already busted Roex, but one commissioner dissented to the settlement saying it did not recognize the seriousness of the misconduct. I am hoping there is more for consumers who were duped. The FDA is investigating these tainted diet pills, but I am not sure they have done anything yet to get relief for consumers. In short, I want to get active in these areas, and that is why I am joining this forum. If you have been taken advantage of by any of these outfits, please feel free to contact me at: harry@millslawfirm.com.
California law requires me to say that this is a solicitation for legal services. And as I think about it, you bet it is! Let's go out and stop some of these scammers, and get some relief for consumers who were duped.
Harry Shulman | |
| reply to nwrickert
Hey guys! I actually have probably talked to many of you at lose weight systems. So ive been reading through some of the comments here, and i will be happy to answer as many questions as i can. As far as the actual pill goes, I dont know if you could actually lose weight from it. I took it one day just to see if i had a reaction to it. Each pill contains 200mg of caffeine. I took 4 pills throughout the day. At one point i thought my heart would beat out of my chest. I was having heart palpitations, and was very numb and delirous. Probably could sell as a street drug! Jk. It was intense. So i wouldnt recommend taking it. And as far as getting your refunds, I know they intend on refunding every customer, but the truth of the matter is that there is no money to refund, because the bank has seized the withdrawing account. I know for one because i have not been paid as an employee. | |
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kudos:5
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Clearwire Wireless
| said by adipose :
... and i will be happy to answer as many questions as i can.
Courtesy of Blood, Sweat & Tears et al
"What goes up must come down
spinning wheel got to go round
Talking about your troubles it's a crying sin
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel spin
You got no money, and you, you got no home
Spinning wheel all alone
Talking about your troubles and you, you never learn
Ride a painted pony
let the spinning wheel turn
Did you find a directing sign
on the straight and narrow highway?
Would you mind a reflecting sign
Just let it shine within your mind
And show you the colours that are real
Someone is waiting just for you
spinning wheel is spinning true
Drop all your troubles, by the river side
Catch a painted pony
On the spinning wheel ride
Someone is waiting just for you
spinning wheel is spinning true
Drop all your troubles, by the river side
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel fly | |
nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL
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·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to adipose
said by adipose :
Hey guys! I actually have probably talked to many of you at lose weight systems. Thanks for posting. I'm sure we have not talked, because I never did call. I just took it up with the bank.
I won't make any bones about it. I think the diet pill business is a dubious one. However, in this case we had not only the diet pill business, but also financial fraud.
What has not been clear to me is how the two are linked. Was the diet pill business doing the fraud? Or had some other group been able to get leaked credit card information, and was making bogus diet pill orders as a way of testing the cards. I'm inclined to think that if it was the latter, the financial fraudsters would have had to have access to somebody in the pill company, or they would not get any benefits from the ordering.
It might be that you don't really have any inside knowledge as to what was actually happening. But if you can throw any light on the situation, that would be welcome.
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