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MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | reply to nwrickert
Re: Adipose RX Can you post the line item details of the charge? Was there a phone number listed?
Soemthing big is going in there.
MGD | | |
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 SnowymIRC unix.ro UnderNetPremium
join:2003-04-05
Kailua, HI
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 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Clearwire Wireless
| said by MGD:Something big is going in (on) there. Absolutely!
For the venerable nwrickert  to become intended victim to a CC fraud operation, it is big, no sarcasm whatsoever for those not familiar with nwrickert 's credentials. | |
Whip
join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ | reply to MGD
said by MGD:Can you post the line item details of the charge? Was there a phone number listed? Soemthing big is going in there. MGD 800-763-5283
800-430-1529
»800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-430-1529/8
877-297-2311
»800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-877-297-2311/3 | |
Whip
join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ
1 edit | reply to MGD
Sorry. Very delayed posting. Didn't realize it would double. | |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | reply to Snowy
There are 11 pages of fraud reports just under one phone number from January 28th thru today: »800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-430-1529 and a lot more:»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ad···G=Search
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There was an unauthorized charge of $34.84 placed on 2/3/09 on my MasterCard from Adipose RX. I called the 800 number (800-430-1529) listed on their website, www.loseweightsystems.com, and spoke to Walt who, after I told him my name and state assured me that the charge would be reversed. Since I just called today I can't confirm the charge has been reversed.
NOTE: The address provide (and verified in WhoIs) is 223 W. Bulldog, Ste. 304, Provo, UT 84604. This is a UPS Store and the firm is probably renting mailbox 304. The UPS store number is 5266. You can send them an email at store5266 at theupsstore.com and ask that they take steps to prevent the passibly fraudulent activity taking place from their premises
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Follow up:
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Refund Received
After a second phone call to the 800 number in my original posting my credit card was credited for the full amount of the purchase.
Also, the manager of the UPS store did some investigation and concluded that some other firm was submitting these fraudulent charges to test stolen credit card information and that it was not the renter of box 304 that was deceiving customers. I'm not convinced, but I suppose it could be.
»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/4···m#397065
For lots of reasons I am not buying that explanation.
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Lose Weight Systems - Adipose Rx. Caralluma Extreme
Phone: 877-7635283
Fax:
1155 West Pioneer Blvd, Suite 103-211
Mesquite, Nevada, 89027
U.S.A.
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Lose Weight Systems, Adipose RX
Phone: 877-297-2311
Fax:
223 West Bulldog, Ste. 304
Provo, Utah, 84604
U.S.A.
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Also one victim reports that they received a refund notice to a correct email address that they never gave during the phone call. That means they also had their correct email associated with the card and individual in their system. Possible transferring of prior purchase records from a another entity.
If I recall correctly this is not the first issue of this genre that has ties to Utah and Nevada.
MGD | |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | reply to Whip
LOL Whip, We were checking out the same neighborhood at the same time !!
There is no way this is card testing, by any stretch, at least not by a third party. Follow the money. No one is reporting secondary fraud, except from other divisions of the same entity.
MGD | |
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Can you post the line item details of the charge? Was there a phone number listed?
02/01 02/01 ADIPOSE RX 8004301529 KNA 34.84
02/19 FOREIGN TRANSACTION FEE*FINANCE CHARGE 1.04
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nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
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said by Snowy:For the venerable nwrickert to become intended victim to a CC fraud operation, it is big, no sarcasm whatsoever for those not familiar with nwrickert 's credentials. To be fair, anybody is subject to this kind of problem.
The only way to be sure that your credit card is not compromised, is to never use it. And even then you cannot be completely sure.
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MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
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said by nwrickert:
02/01 02/01 ADIPOSE RX 8004301529 KNA 34.84
02/19 FOREIGN TRANSACTION FEE*FINANCE CHARGE 1.04
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Interesting !! indicates that despite the US address and 800-430-1529 number the merchant account / acquirer bank is "offshore".
said by nwrickert:... The only way to be sure that your credit card is not compromised, is to never use it have one issued. Fixed it !! :)
MGD | |
Whip
join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ | reply to MGD
said by MGD:LOL Whip, We were checking out the same neighborhood at the same time !! I saw you......in your black suit, dark sunglasses, and newspaper trying to be all non-chalent standing on the corner. | |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | said by Whip:said by MGD:LOL Whip, We were checking out the same neighborhood at the same time !! I saw you......in your black suit, dark sunglasses, and newspaper trying to be all non-chalent standing on the corner. Yep, that was me !!
My dog was across the street following the scent of Adipose RX pills. | |
| reply to MGD
This is a scam! I just received diet pills in the mail that I didn't order. After looking at the company website, I could see there was something fishy since it was only one page and gives no info. I googled it and found this site and posts about the same thing. Then I remembered a strange charge on my Capital One credit card statement this month for that amount $34.84. When I called Capital One, they told me there was actually a second charge for that amount. They credited both charges through the fraud dept and changed my account number. | |
| reply to MGD
We had the exact same experience. They did the charges 2 months in a row, sent us bottles of pills, and had our email address, mailing address, and name. Creepy! | |
MGDPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-31
kudos:9 | reply to nwrickert
said by nwrickert:Can you post the line item details of the charge? Was there a phone number listed?
02/01 02/01 ADIPOSE RX 8004301529 KNA 34.84
02/19 FOREIGN TRANSACTION FEE*FINANCE CHARGE 1.04
said by MGD:When you call your bank to report the fraud charge, as them if they can or will tell you the name of the "acquirer bank". They may not know how to decode it, or are willing to disclose it, they should. I suspect that the KNA coding is the use of the ISO country code for Saint Kitts and Nevis. If so, that would be a page right out of the offshore fraud haven manual. MGD Additional investigating confirms that the "KNA" is in fact an abbreviation for Saint Kitts and Nevis. and is where the merchant account and acquirer bank is located. Some victims are reporting "KN", however, that is because the data field for the line entry has only a certain number of characters, and the "A" may be cut off.
The specifc location of the KNA code is Nevis in St. Kitts and the actual address is believed to be: 642 Main Street, Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean
Additional confirmation of that address was located during an audit of Maugan's "Prolero" directory on subscriptionmarketinginc.com where the "contact us" link on "RemBright" whitener »secure.subscriptionmarketinginc.···ndex.php
quote:
Rembright White Total Care
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Shipping and Other Questions
If you have questions about your order status, shipping address, billing issues, etc. please contact our email support team 24 hours/day by sending an email to: support@rembrightwhite.com.
Call our live customer support Monday through Saturday 7am to 7pm MST at 800-786-9082.
Cancelling, Refunds, Billing
To quickly and easily cancel your order, request your no-worry-guarantee refund, or to obtain an RMA, please call:
800-786-9082
To contact us via mail, please send correspondence to:
1155 West Pioneer Blvd. Suite 103-211
Mesquite, NV 89027
Our Operations in St. Kitts is: 642 Main Street, Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean
1155 West Pioneer Blvd. Suite 103-211 = »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=11···aq=f&oq= and is also associated with the following numbers: 800-430-1529 888-332-5541 877-297-2311
642 Main Street, Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean is associated with several entities.»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=64···aribbean
Earnmicrosoftcash, LLC AKA earnmicrosoftcash.com
and
JC Marketing LTD AKA JC Marketing LLC jcmarketingllc.com
Not only is JC Marketing not sure if it is an LLC or a Limited Company: Copyright 2009 JC Marketing LTD and its domain JCMarketing llc .com. They are also not sure if St. Kitts is in the US or not, or even where they ae located. Their terms and conditions appear to be a hurried alteration of an existing document that smeels of an entity trying to project themselves as being outside the jusrisdiction:
quote:
Legal Forum, Choice Of Laws & Official Language
This offering is a contract between you the buyer and our business, the seller. The seller is located in St. George, Nevis, East Caribbean, U.S.A. and by doing business with us you agree that this offering is made from St. George, Nevis, East Caribbean, U.S.A and shall be governed by the laws of the State of Nevada and the U.S.A.. By electing to participate in this offer, you are entering into a contract
This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of Nevis, East Caribbean, without regard to its conflict of laws rules. Any legal action arising out of this Agreement shall be litigated and enforced under the laws of the State of Nevada. In addition, you agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the courts of the State of Nevada, and that any legal action pursued by you shall be within the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts Charlestown in the State of Nevis, East Caribbean, USA.
The terms constituting this offering are set forth in writing on this Web site. You hereby agree to submit to the jurisdiction of the State and Federal Courts located in Charlestown, Nevis, East Caribbean, U.S.A to resolve any disputes or litigation hereunder. Whether or not you choose to print this offering, containing the terms and conditions as described herein, you agree that this contract constitutes a writing.
Ref:»www.jcmarketingllc.com/newbizop/···ions.cfm
Once again the contact number used on that page 800-597-9570 has a host of fraud charge complaints:
quote:
HB Products Unlimited Complaints - Mysterious charge on credit card
Company information:
HB Products Unlimited
5647 West Wells Park Road
West Jordan, Utah
United States
Phone: 800-597-9570
www.hbproduct.com
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Mysterious Charge of $69.97 on my credit card. I called to dispute with my credit card company and they somehow claimed that I bought some Hoodia stuff on the PHONE with them in May, 2008. My credit card company is looking into it. The only thing I use my credit card to pay for is my cable bill. I wonder how they got my info
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My dad was charged a mysterious charge on May 15, 2008 for $69.97 on his Discover card at 11:01 p.m. He disputed the charge with the credit card company and they said that HB Products had his name, address, and phone number. He called the number that the cc company gave him and was caller #12. He stayed on the phone for 5 (if you could believe it) hours. He was #1 for over an hour and gave up! He called back the cc company and they said he didn't have to pay for it and not to worry. I thought I would try googling them for more information and found this website. I hope these scamers are caught soon!
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Ref: »www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=800-597-9570
The domain registration for jcmarketingllc.com currently shows:
Registration Service Provided By:
Attitude Ink
Contact: domains@smartnetdevelopment.com
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Domain name: jcmarketingllc.com
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Administrative Contact:
Attitude Ink
Attitude Ink (domains@smartnetdevelopment.com)
+1.8666520479
Fax: +1.7028356891
10161 Park Run Drive
Suite 150
Las Vegas, NV 89145
US
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However back on 06/05/2008 it was registered as follows:
Registration Service Provided By:
SmartNet Development, Inc
Contact: domains@smartnetdevelopment.com
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Domain name: jcmarketingllc.com
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Administrative Contact:
SmartNet Development, Incsmartnetdevelopment.com)
+1.8666520479
Fax: +1.7028356891
10161 Park Run Drive
Suite 150
Las Vegas, NV 89145
US
.
The choice of Saint Kitts and Nevis is not an accidental random dart on the map. They are long known for "look the other way banking" and money laundering.
At the start of this thread I mentioned how Utah has been ground zero for a multi year string of these kinds of frauds. The reason that thousands of consumers are now reporting a massive fraud run, is because government entities have chosen not to act upon these in the past. We have seen reports on this forum for several years of this type of operations all headquartered in Utah with a triangle relationship between there nd Nevada and Arizona.
All of them have common themes that begin on the fringe of legality and are based on deception.
They all begin with low cost shipping of "FREE" trials, 14 days from the date of shipment, rarely arrive with more than 4 days until a monthly charge of ~ $100 hits. Negative option opt out, your are in for a monthly charge for life, along with "courtesy" enrollments of your card in several other programs. These programs would not exist except for banks acceptance of the negative option system. None allow cancellation via email, rather they require calling a toll free cancellation number. There are a multitude of reports that these numbers are rarely answered, or have deliberate excessive wait times all in a efort to deter cancellation. In fact, in my opinion the relative ease with which this programs accepts quick cancellations is to mitigate the charge back fees that are expected in this type of run. Multiple victims are reporting that even after cancellation they are passed on to another entity the next month and the proces starts all over again.
To underscore the long running history of these operation:
Note the administrative contact for the jcmarketingllc.com domian listed above SmartNet Development, Inc AKA smartnetdevelopment.com. Take a trip back to circa late 2006 early 2007, and this internet posting titled:
Misidentified as a Scammer
quote:
Twice in the past couple of weeks we’ve been contacted by people who thought we had charged their credit card against their will. We didn’t, but you might find this interesting.
When the calls came in I immediately knew that it wasn’t us, but I also felt it was my duty to help these individuals. After all, someone is out there giving SEOs a bad name! They had obviously been ripped off and I wanted to do what I could.
Both callers stated that they were charged multiple times (in increments of approx $15) for an SEO guide. The specific details shown on the statement were ‘pm-seoguide.com’ and ‘NV’. We’re located in Nevada so that’s how these two made the connection to us, but I have not been able to duplicate any search that brings up my company with ’seo guide’. Strange.
The Culprit
With the callers on the phone I had them type in www.pm-guide.com in their browser. That URL redirects to a SEO Learning Center. What is most interesting about this is that there are several links for help, contact, news, etc. but all of them lead you right back to a login page.
In order to continue, you must first log in. Please enter your username and password to log in.
Hmmm. Friendly.
So I did a quick check of their whois information and found this:
Administrative Contact:
SmartNet Development, Inc
SmartNet Development (domains@smartnetdevelopment.com)
+1.8666520479
Fax: +1.7028356891
10161 Park Run Drive
Suite 150
Las Vegas, NV 89145
US
I provided the above information on to each caller; it was the least I could do. Then I did a bit of searching on my own. Doesn’t look like these guys have a good reputation.
Beware! Check your credit card statements. We have another scammer in action, charging peoples credit cards without their permission. Let’s hope somebody stops these guys through legal means. And soon.
That thread »www.polepositionmarketing.com/em···scammer/ is then followed by multiple complaints and victim postings, including one that names the company as:
quote:
Michael Hutchins says:
Hello All,
SmartNet Development is actually located in Saint George, Utah. They are a company that specializes in “Internet Offers”. You think you’re only paying $1.97 S&H for a Free Cd but where they get you is on the “Thank You” page. after your card is charged and you’re sent to the “Thank You” page your actually enrolled in “Trial Offers” and if you don’t cancel out SmartNet will get upwards of $72.00 a month from your credit card.
Customer Support: 435-654-0479
President: Alan Dunn
Email: alan@smartnetdevelopment.com
Vice President: Clint Coonfer
Email: clint@smartnetdevelopment.com
Chief Financial Officer: Darrin Toone
Internet Offers:
Fast Web Profit
Fast Auction Profit
Rapid Auction Response
Rapid Auction Profit
PM-SEOGIDE.COM
PM-KEYWORDSUCCESS.COM
PM-CLICKBUILDER.COM
PM-FASTACTION.COM
PM-KEYWORDSUCCESS.COM
searchenginlearningcenter.com
I Hope this helps.
December 27th, 2007 at 8:29 am
Nov 21, 2006
Consumer division of Utah cites SmartNet Development
The Utah Division of Consumer Protection announced Monday that it has issued an administrative citation against SmartNet Development and its Internet company, Fast Auction Profit, for "misleading consumers through deceptive sales practices."
According to a statement released by the division, consumers who thought they were signing up for a "free CD" from Fast Auction Products to learn how to sell products on eBay were not aware they also were agreeing to pay up to $70 in services billed monthly to their credit cards. The division alleges that SmartNet "buried" these sales terms in its "Terms of Contract" section.
A hearing between SmartNet and the division is scheduled for Dec. 21. The St. George-based companies face a potential fine of up to $22,500.
ref: »findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q···16859290
Again, fraud complaints:
»www.complaintsboard.com/complain···800.html
»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/2···4050.htm
»www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/2···4733.htm
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