Topic 'Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22000634 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:12:31 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:12:31 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22021835 said by Anonymous_:

said by jazzlady:

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FOX11 HD looks is neer downloaded quality from torrent

624 x352 is comparale to TWC's "1280x720"
So that's why those divx files look so sharp on my old analog set...

I've noticed that anything I download looks 10x times better on my analog set than the analog cable signal does.

sorry my OLD analog set is a HDTV LOL :D(1920x1080i@16:9)

it does not have a ATSC tunner... there for is old analog set

most HDTV downloaded from torrent is 1280x720 rez 4.5mbps x264 format

LOL

I know, I have the oldest tv of anyone on this forum probably... :-)

And if you think my tv is old- you should see my cell phone! It's one of the ones with the monochrome screen. I love it and won't give it up until it dies.

The files I download are HD source downsized to 624x352 or thereabouts. They are xvid files, I can't play x264 or 1280x720 on my dvd player.

I'm not kidding, those xvid files look amazing on my old set. I didn't realize the tv was capable of that kind of quality.

Just goes to show you how many years I've enduring a crummy fuzzy cable signal and didn't know any better... :-(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22021835 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:53:32 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22021711 said by jazzlady:

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FOX11 HD looks is neer downloaded quality from torrent

624 x352 is comparale to TWC's "1280x720"
So that's why those divx files look so sharp on my old analog set...

I've noticed that anything I download looks 10x times better on my analog set than the analog cable signal does.

But you can't really use an analog tv with a computer because of the low-res, right?

I've almost plugged the trigger for the HDTV, but I keep reading how awful an analog signal looks on an HDTV... and I'm not ready to drop the cable just yet...
sorry my OLD analog set is a HDTV LOL :D(1920x1080i@16:9)

it does not have a ATSC tunner... there for is old analog set

most HDTV downloaded from torrent is 1280x720 rez 4.5mbps x264 format

i am compreing it from a HD cable box via component video]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22021711 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:56 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22017892 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22017892 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:09:29 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22017459 Mark F]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22017459 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:37:23 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22014307 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22014307 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:49:58 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22014167 said by me1212:

Oh and sears also has a $500 720p »www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1260···1318000P its about $30 less than the vizio, and WM has a 5.1 channel sound system for $40, it works great, the catch is it only has the red and white audio inputs, so its not true 5.1 sound(dolby[sp?] digital) its proligic2 (simulated 5.1.) but true 5.1 systems are like $100 for for $60 less I will take the PL2, and the ONLY difference between the 2 in DD is more booming and PL2 is less booming so for $60 I will take a bit less boom.
Plain old stereo works fine for me.

I have 2 old stereo speakers hooked up to my 27" set now. It's fine for my setup.

I only use the speakers when my husband is watching anyway. When he is asleep is when I do most of my viewing, and I am using wireless headphones anyway so I don't disturb him.

So no Dolby 5.1 doesn't matter to me.

But thanks for the info. I am still leaning towards the hi res Vizio, but maybe when some of this damned snow melts from my driveway I can get out and look at the thing.

You've been really helpful. Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22014167 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:28:42 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013973 www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1260···1318000P its about $30 less than the vizio, and WM has a 5.1 channel sound system for $40, it works great, the catch is it only has the red and white audio inputs, so its not true 5.1 sound(dolby[sp?] digital) its proligic2 (simulated 5.1.) but true 5.1 systems are like $100 for for $60 less I will take the PL2, and the ONLY difference between the 2 in DD is more booming and PL2 is less booming so for $60 I will take a bit less boom.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013973 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:58:33 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013762
As for the stars, WM IS WM and sears is sears, WM most likely get more business.

If you could get OTA tV and had a converter box it would be similar, digital tv like dish or ur cablecos digital box would look better too. But they still are nothing to HD with HD IF I want to when a foot ballgames on I can count the blades of grass, and thats just on a 720p a 1080p I could probably count the blood drops in boxing. But 720p IMHO is almost as good as real life. and on a 32" you cannot tell much difference between a 720p or a 1080p now a 50" on the other hand...... But 720p on a 32" perfect!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013762 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:29:04 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013575 said by me1212:

I do not work for sears, I am just a happy costumer.

And I know what you mean as far as the bod mboard. I had my 7yr old pc go out for the same reason last year windows ME, it was a good pc but we got a better one. Sucks that stuff goes out ya know. Make sure you print out the page with the tv on it so you can show them they do have it, not all sears have everything.

I was looking in to HDs for over a year, so I know where the best place to buy what size it, depending on the res.
My local Sears lists this TV as in stock. My local Walmart lists it on the site, but not available in my location and out of stock online. But they have it for less than Sears.

Walmart has that free site to store shipping, which might work out for me when they get the thing back in stock.

I have to look at it. I'm in no rush. I'm still just amazed by the quality I'm seeing on those HD divx files on the analog set.

As far as motherboards going bad- hey, you got 7 years from yours, and I got 5+ from mine, and it wasn't new when I got it.

So I guess we both got our money's worth... :-)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013575 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:01:01 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013399
And I know what you mean as far as the bod mboard. I had my 7yr old pc go out for the same reason last year windows ME, it was a good pc but we got a better one. Sucks that stuff goes out ya know. Make sure you print out the page with the tv on it so you can show them they do have it, not all sears have everything.

I was looking in to HDs for over a year, so I know where the best place to buy what size it, depending on the res.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013399 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:29:14 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013264 said by me1212:

Well I think I know the Tv ur talking about, and you can get if for less at sears.

Do you work for Sears? :-)

I might just go look at that set. I've never actually seen it in person.

I don't know if verizon offers this speed where u live, but up to 7.1m

I know for sure I can't get that kind of speed here.

When I check my phone number at the VZ site, it only lists 1.5 Mbps as my maximum speed- but I know their phone number checker is notoriously inaccurate, and that a year or so ago when I checked my number DID say I could get 3 Mbps. I don't think the speeds could have gone down.

Plus I seem to remember them calling me a couple of times and trying to sell me the 3 Mbps package.

I'll have to call them and find out for sure, but I'm pretty sure it's still 3.

EDIT: BTW verizon offers a $5 a month dial tone, like for 911 use mostly, and you can gte a UPS(back up power for ur internet ect.).
Well, if I had to, I could use my cell for 911.

And I DO have a UPS in my living room for my 2 desktop machines.

BTW in case you're wondering why I'm looking for a new computer when I have 2 is because I have the Dell Inspiron which is fairly new, and the other system is a 5 year old Athlon 64 2800.

I would have gutted this machine and used it in the bedroom- except that there is a problem with the motherboard. It's got a bad sata controller, and has a tendency to just freeze up and lose the hard drives when I reboot.

It's a socket 754, way too old to be worth fixing...

And all that info was way more than you wanted to know for sure! LOL :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013264 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:05:55 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013022
»www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153···22+vizio the 720p is $530 and the 1080p is $630, so its $100 more to go from 720p to 1080p.

VOIPo is $13.25 a month, is you do the pay for a year thing(I use VOIPo and recommend it to any1). I don't know if verizon offers this speed where u live, but up to 7.1m »www22.verizon.com/Residential/Hi···alue.htm the cost> »www22.verizon.com/Residential/Hi···lans.htm $30 for 3m $20 for 1m $42 for 7.1m so IF you can only get 3m its about $94 for tv phone and internet, and $109 for the 7.1m and tv and phone. they have PAYG phone as low as $0.10 a min.(not verizon but I know of cellcos who do).

EDIT: BTW verizon offers a $5 a month dial tone, like for 911 use mostly, and you can gte a UPS(back up power for ur internet ect.).

EDIT#2: you said ur dvd player has an HDMI right? well they u got an upconverter, if you plugg it HDMI in to and HDset and go to the menu and tell it to put ot hd you will be able to watch DVDs in HD. And the tv also have pc jacks so u can hook ur pc t o the tv for hd hulu veoh netflix and youtube.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22013022 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:34:24 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012962 said by me1212:

Does your DVD player have an S-video port? most do.

Ok, I thought it did- but I just checked and surprisingly it doesn't.

What it does have is an HDMI port.

If you are in the market for an Hd set, I know where you can get the bets deals around. a 32" 1080p lcd for under $700 or a 50" plasma 720p with built in 5.1 channel sound for like 1,200.

I think a 32" LCD will do me nicely. I don't have a very big bedroom.

BTW I have been looking at a Vizio 32" LCD that is hi res and is getting very good reviews. My local Walmart has this set...

The thing that is keeping me from getting an HDTV right now is the fact that I keep reading how awful an analog cable signal looks on it.

I do intend to hang onto the cable for another several months, until I decide what to do.

You said you could get verizon, it may be slower, but depending on what you pay for ur cable bundle it may save you enough money that you could live with the slower speed. and I don't mean just the internet, but like a pick and choose set of sat tv verizon and VoIP, but IDK what verizon DSL is.

For your set up as it is now it would be I think about $72 for tv and $11.25 or $20-ish for VoIP, depending on when the end the sale. BTW the phone has 2 lines.
I can get Verizon DSL here. Last I checked my top speed was 3 Mbps.

I don't have a cable bundle really, just the tv/internet.

I still use a landline for my phone for local calls, and a cell for long distance.

I keep the landline because we have a lot of power outages here, and the landline never, ever goes out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012962 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:23:21 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012842 said by nasadude:

said by jazzlady:

.... Time for an unlimited tier for their broadband customers. I'd pay an extra $15 or $20 a month for unlimited with no caps.


unfortunately, that's exactly the attitude the cablecos like to see - someone willing to pay more money for an uncrippled connection.

there shouldn't be caps or throttling and if there were competition in the U.S. market, we wouldn't even be discussing caps.

however, I'm guessing it will cost you more than $15 or $20 a month for no caps, assuming they even allow accounts with no caps.
I'd still be willing to pay $15-20 more for a connection with a reasonable cap.

Comcast's 250 GB's is more like it, but I think I would want 500 GB's minimum if I were going to be streaming all the time.

It's a whole hell of a lot better than the stinking 80 GB cap I have to deal with now.

The problem is the providers are not willing to be reasonable.

That's really galling when you think about Japan with it's symmetrical 100/100 connection and 1 TB caps... for less money than most customers pay for broadband here. :-(

Broadband in this country will not improve until the government gets involved and sets some ground rules for these services- like they do for electric utilities.

In the meantime- the telco/cableco's will strive to give the customer the least amount of service for the highest price they can get away with. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012842 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:06:44 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012827
If you are in the market for an Hd set, I know where you can get the bets deals around. a 32" 1080p lcd for under $700 or a 50" plasma 720p with built in 5.1 channel sound for like 1,200.

You said you could get verizon, it may be slower, but depending on what you pay for ur cable bundle it may save you enough money that you could live with the slower speed. and I don't mean just the internet, but like a pick and choose set of sat tv verizon and VoIP, but IDK what verizon DSL is.

For your set up as it is now it would be I think about $72 for tv and $11.25 or $20-ish for VoIP, depending on when the end the sale. BTW the phone has 2 lines.

EDIT: the $72 if for 205 channels and 2 dvrs(2 boxes 4 tvs each with a DRV if costs less or the same to get the DVR).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012827 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:05:21 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012656 said by me1212:

Its not so much the res, but the type of signal. analog VS digital, if get get a converter box you will see similar pictures. I know I've tried. Also how do u have ur tv hooked up? is the just the plane antenna cable, yellow cable S-video?

Ok, for the analog cable- I have no box. The coax cable just screws into the back of the set.

The dvd player is hooked up with plain vanilla RCA cables.

if its the antenna cable that IS part of the problem its not as strong as the other cables, is you have a last gen game system you should be able to recreate this. I had my game cube hooked up with the yellow cable and the moved it when we got our 2nd HD(hooked the wii up to it with component cables and ED is WAY better than SD) tv and used the antenna cable it I can tell a difference, it may be similar with ur tv, and DVD player, if the DVD player is hooked up with the antenna cable too.

I don't have a gaming system of ANY kind- I'm not a gamer.

The only game I play is Descent, which is so old it's from the DOS days... somebody ported it to work with XP. But that's the only game I play.

What you are doing is pushing 480i to its limit so it WILL look better. Also do any of ur tvs have an S-video jack if so do what you did with the antenna cable and yellow cable, but after the yellow use the s-video an it will be even better.

Ok, the set we are talking about DOES have an S-video port. I have never used it. So the quality might be even better using that.

And I use veoh and youtube for anime(only for shows that I cannot get in the US yet.), so I wont hold what you do against you. However, if you got and HD set and hooked ur computer up to it(most HD sets have a com jack) and did and HD vid on it, you would see a world of difference.

I'm sure you're right. I wish I had a decent laptop with an S-video port. I'd love to hook it up to this old tv just to see what it looks like.

As for directv's $30 a month, do you mean the family pack? if so that its always price Dish's is $20...

Also I just checked directv and it seem they have uped their prices by $3, so dish is less once again, looks like I will be sticking with them. Dish costs less, if you don't mind less HD Dish is a bit better IMHO.
Actually, I'm not sure which package is $30. I really haven't investigated it. I just noticed the commercial the other day and the $30 price.

I'll have to wait for warmer weather, and get them out here to test the signal- when the leaves are on the trees...

In the meantime, a bedroom PC is still a good idea.

I'm kinda thinking about a refurbed Dell. They have some small Inspiron models that might work for me, for not too much $$$$.

The Inspiron 530 I got back in April has been a great machine, and I picked it up for a bargain price.

Thanks for all the info BTW. You've been very helpful. :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012656 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:35:25 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012442
I think directv is $4? after the introductory price. While dish has 100 channels for $10 + 50 HD for a few month, so 10+ 5 for the other 2 tvs is $15 for 6mths then $50 after that
»dishnetwork.com/packages/program···ult.aspx look at the regular price thing and add $10 for HD and $5 for DVR. Each DVR has 2 tuner so 1 box 2 tvs and the HD DVR has 2 tuner also so you would need 2 boxes total for ur tv and the would ALL be digital. We have the 205 so for 4 tvs 1 hd 3 SD it would be $82 and they would ALL have a DVR and the HD one would be HD, but we may be willing to drop the 3rd SD for the 2x HD that directv has. and as for rivaling HD its more the native res(ur tv is 480i and an my HD is 720p) What you are doing is pushing 480i to its limit so it WILL look better. now if you hooked a dish HD box up to an HD(720p) tv and was watching TRUE HD show you would see a difference, and if you hooked a blueray up to a 1080p it would blow us both out of the water. Dish and directv would look better(quite a bit) than ur cable not, but if you just use an antenna cable you won't get the same pic as the avi file, and do any of ur tvs have a yellow jack is them? if so plug your dvd player into it with the antenna cable watch 5min of a movie and the use the yellow cable and watch the same 5min you should see a difference. Also do any of ur tvs have an S-video jack(it looks round with a bunch of prong holes in it) if so do what you did with the antenna cable and yellow cable, but after the yellow use the s-video an it will be even better. And I use veoh and youtube for anime(only for shows that I cannot get in the US yet.), so I wont hold what you do against you. However, if you got and HD set and hooked ur computer up to it(most HD sets have a com jack) and did and HD vid on it, you would see a world of difference.

As for directv's $30 a month, do you mean the family pack? if so that its always price Dish's is $20(»www.directv.com/DTVAPP/wizard/bu···vtype=-1)

Also I just checked directv and it seem they have uped their prices by $3, so dish is less once again, looks like I will be sticking with them. Dish costs less, if you don't mind less HD Dish is a bit better IMHO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012442 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:53:40 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012233 said by me1212:

Dish has 100ch+ 50 HD for 45 thats for 2 tv and $50 for 4 tvs 1 hd 3 sd. $62 for 200 ch and 60HD and $82 for 250 sd and 65 hd, those r all for 3sd and 1 HD. take 5 bucks off for 2 tvs taken away.

Directv's HD is $83 for 150 channels and IDK how many HD with 1 HD set and 3 SD $87 for 200+ 130Hd for 1 HD set and 3 SD. take 70ish bucks off for each tv you take away.

For 1,2,&4 Dish for 3 direct, as dish's DRVs r dual tuner(2 TVs for each box) and the price for 4 tvs from dish(1HD 3 SD) is the same as 3(1HD 2SD) and its about the same as directv' 1HD 2SD for the 200+ and 130HDs VS 65HDs. I have 1HD and 2SD, so directv is for me.

For you, depends on how many tv 3 direct 1/2/4 dish. unless you NEED 2x HD channels.
Sounds interesting...

I have to admit I've never given satellite more than a passing thought. But I have been seeing ads for DirecTV for 100 channels for $30 a month- for 6 months, anyway. That's half what I'm paying for cable. Of course, I haven't checked the fine print of that deal.

Of course, this is still assuming that ANY kind of satellite is going to work in my location.

I also do have to factor in the fact if I drop my cable tv, my cost for the cable internet will go up $15 a month...

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

OT question: you're a technically knowledgeable guy- I have noticed something interesting with my analog tv.

I don't want to get into the legality of downloading a show. This is what I have noticed:

With the regular analog cable feed the picture on my 27" analog set is meh. It's watchable, but nothing great.

When I download a divx avi that was recorded in HD (but reduced and compressed), and play it back through the USB port on my Philips DVD player from a thumb drive- the picture quality is unbelievable.

This is an analog tv- yet with those HD source files I can literally see individual hairs on peoples heads with crystal clarity. It's even better than when watching a dvd.

I go back to my analog cable feed and it looks like crap in comparison.

This is an old tv- 15 years old at least. It's a "Memorex" brand purchased from Radio Shack way back when...

I assumed since it's an analog tv it shouldn't have that kind of sharpness and clarity. It rivals any of those new HDTV's I see in Best Buy, at least when playing one of those HD avi's...

Can you explain this? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22012233 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:08:58 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22009679
Directv's HD is $83 for 150 channels and IDK how many HD with 1 HD set and 3 SD $87 for 200+ 130Hd for 1 HD set and 3 SD. take 70ish bucks off for each tv you take away.

For 1,2,&4 Dish for 3 direct, as dish's DRVs r dual tuner(2 TVs for each box) and the price for 4 tvs from dish(1HD 3 SD) is the same as 3(1HD 2SD) and its about the same as directv' 1HD 2SD for the 200+ and 130HDs VS 65HDs. I have 1HD and 2SD, so directv is for me.

For you, depends on how many tv 3 direct 1/2/4 dish. unless you NEED 2x HD channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22009679 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:16:17 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22009478 said by me1212:

jazzlady, how many would you like to have and what res is what I need to know in order to know which sat tv provider is best for you, as they each have different types of boxes. SO just tell me how many you want hooked up for the DTV thing, and if you plan to go HD within the year and how many HD sets. if its two(SD or HD, or both SD[I have to look to make sure on the both SD one]) Dish would be better 3-4 SD I think dish, but again I have to look to be 100% sure 2-3SD and one HD directv, as that what we have now, and we will be getting HD in the fall, and it will be the same price for both, but DT have like 2x HD. So let me know and I should be able to tell you, also what package, 100/200/250 ect.
I'd like to just start out with 1 HDTV- the one in my bedroom. All my other sets are analog, and I don't plan on replacing them until they die. I do 90% of my viewing in the bedroom. SD is fine for the rest of them, all I ever have on in the other rooms is CNN anyway... :-)

Of course, I DO have to buy an HDTV first... LOL

I would like a very basic satellite package, but I also would like to have a PC or whatever in the bedroom for Hulu and surfing. And I'm thinking that a $10 a month Netflix streaming account sounds like a good deal as well.

So, what do you recommend?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22009478 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:43:44 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22009097 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22009097 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:48:15 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008831
I saw the Slingcatcher at Best Buy, it allows streaming from the most popular sites, but I fear that as soon as I shell out the money, Verizon will start offering the same streaming ability for free, or a small monthly fee.

So, I'm just looking for the most cost-effective solution. But, I may have to wait and see what Verizon does, as I've read that it might offer this later this year. Maybe.
Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008831 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:05:16 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008704
EDIT: and what would you want the computer to be able to do?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008704 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:44:44 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008695
I also use the PC for surfing, managing music and family photos, burning music to CD and photos to DVD, printing labels and greeting cards, etc. And, I play a PC game once in a while. I have no problems playing music or watching any internet content on the PC.

I know there are other gadgets out there- Roku, Vudu, Slingcatcher, Vunow pod, Amazon Unbox, etc, but they offer limited streaming content from a limited number of websites. I just wish that Verizon would finally enable internet-to-TV streaming, via their software and DVR, from any site that allows it.

A bigger monitor might be nice, but I'd still be watching on the computer instead of a big screen TV in the comfy living room.
Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008695 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:42:27 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008536 said by rradina:

said by jazzlady:

If I could get Hulu to work properly... their Flash based streaming is not smooth on any of my systems- even my quad core, and I have a 15 Mbps connection, so that's not the problem.
(snip)
My bet is that this has more to do with the video card than your processor. For years (and several generations of chips) we've been able to watch smooth DVDs (MPEG2) on entry level desktops. The streams you are watching might be MPEG4, which does require more power to decode but if you say your connection is not the problem, a quad-core should have plenty of power to decode as long as your video subsystem can render it. My son has a TV tuner card in his PC and until I bought him a new graphics card, 1080 HD video was not smooth. He was using the built-into-the-motherboard video which was not very powerful. It didn't matter that he had a dual core CPU. However, after we upgraded his video card to, by today's standards, a modest nVidia 8600GT, the problem vanished.
FWIW- I just tried Hulu again with my quad core Dell Inspiron 530, and even on the hi-def setting it seems to be playing fairly smoothly. Perhaps that won't be the case later on this evening, but it's playing pretty well now.

This system has an nVidia GeForce 8300GS card in it with 128 megs of ram. It came with the machine. It's good enough for what I use it for, but I would definitely look for something better for a machine for tv streaming.

I'm tempted to just get another Inspiron 530 and put a better video card in it. I bet it would be just fine and dandy for streaming. Prices on the refurbed ones are really low right now too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008536 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:14:49 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008453 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008453 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:58:34 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008421
EDIT: what kind a pc user are you? If you have an HD set, it may be smater to just get a new PC, but it depends on what you do on the com, ie just huluing or just web surfing, or go you game too and if so how much?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008421 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:53:21 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008364
There are boxes and gadgets to do that, but one I saw online once had these drawbacks.
1. The box was unweildy and took up space in the living room TV cabinet.
2. It connected to the PC in another room via a long cable that must run through the house.
3. You couldn't wach streaming content (on the fly), as they only offered downloaded content, which takes drive space and wastes time.
4. You got to choose from a rather small selection of movies (no TV shows) to download.
5. The price was $400 plus a monthly fee.

We need a way to watch TV and movies from any internet source we choose (ABC, CBS, HULU, AOL, etc), on our big screen TVs in another room, easily and for a reasonable fee.
Mark F]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008364 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:44:01 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008290 said by me1212:

How many tvs(HD/SD/ED?) will be hooked up? Dish may have less ture HDs but theres a certain point where dish costs, IMHO, enought less to justify getting less HDs. IF you don't want it on ur roof, you could get a bigger on and put it on the ground.

I'm willing to just settle for the tv in the bedroom for now being hooked up.

I don't have ANY HDTV's right now. I have 4 tv's but they're all analog.

Now a big dish on the ground I could do. I have a big yard. But what about the angle? Doesn't it still need a clear line of sight to the south at a certain angle????]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008290 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:29:19 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008163
I can understand trees messing stuff up. We have a WISP and we almost have too many trees to use it, when we got it installed the dude said there were too many trees, so the owner took a look and there was a dip in the trees and it was just enough to get it working. We put the receiver on a tree, thats why I asked if a tree would work for you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22008163 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:08:45 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007887 said by me1212:

Could the put the dish on a TALL tree? Or you could pay some1 to build a tower.
No, putting it on a tall tree really wouldn't work. There's an entire forest behind my house, on the southern side which is the side I need for a sat signal.

Putting it on some kind of mast perhaps on the roof *might* work. I would have to look into the logistics of that.

Perhaps when the weather gets better I will call DirecTV and have them come out and take a look.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007887 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:17:07 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007613 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007613 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:19:57 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007582 said by me1212:

I recommend them to any1 looking for a good com. and BTW all labor/wor kthat has to be done on the PC, and tech support for the 3yrs after you buy the PC are FREE!

Oh and HD directv and dish may not cost too much for you, they are less than most if not all HD cablecos.
I definitely like what they have at Vision... :-)

I've considered satellite, my problem is too many trees.

I don't have a clear line of sight without cutting down a LOT of trees, which I don't want to do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007582 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:15:19 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007494
I recommend them to any1 looking for a good com. and BTW all labor/wor kthat has to be done on the PC, and tech support for the 3yrs after you buy the PC are FREE!

Oh and HD directv and dish may not cost too much for you, they are less than most if not all HD cablecos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007494 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:56:21 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007488 said by ThrowDemsOut:

said by jazzlady:

So I have to download the stuff the networks won't put online because I refuse to watch it in 4:3.

I would watch legally, but I don't have that option. I'm sure I'm not the only one in a rural area in the same situation.
Sure you have the option. You just choose to ignore legalities because you want something. The same excuse used by criminals for all time.
And my options are....?

a) watch a half assed 4:3 broadcast of a widescreen program

b) sign up for digital cable and increase my cable bill by at least 50%

Since I don't have the option of OTA, and CBS refuses to put the shows I want on their website, which of these options is the better one to watch a FREE tv show?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007488 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:55:52 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007413 said by jazzlady:

So I have to download the stuff the networks won't put online because I refuse to watch it in 4:3.

I would watch legally, but I don't have that option. I'm sure I'm not the only one in a rural area in the same situation.
Sure you have the option. You just choose to ignore legalities because you want something. The same excuse used by criminals for all time.
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said by Mchart:

Well, the stuff thats not on Hulu I just download. Doesn't take to long to download the 720p HDTV rips via rapidshare, and usually the rips hit the internet only a few hours after the show airs on TV.
I know you don't care, but that's illegal. Not sure why you just don't do things legally. People like you ruins shit for the rest of us.
I do the same thing.

I watch everything I can on the network sites, but at least in the case of CBS- there are many shows that are not available for online viewing.

So what is the alternative? For me, it's to watch an awful looking center cut show on my analog cable- or download it from usenet.

I don't get any kind of OTA signal where I live. Zero, zip, nada, nothing whatsoever. So I have to download the stuff the networks won't put online because I refuse to watch it in 4:3.

I would watch legally, but I don't have that option. I'm sure I'm not the only one in a rural area in the same situation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007395 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:37:46 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007315 said by me1212:

If it helps, I buy ALL of my pcs from them, got one for the last 2 yrs and will get a laptop for college, so that will make it 3(pcs) for 3(yrs). The tech support if great they helped us with every problem we had they even worked over time for us. They sell HD tvs too, but sears has them for less.

There are only 3 reviews of Vision on Resellerratings.com, but at least they're all positive...

I've never heard of them, but thanks for the lead. I will definitely price a machine from them.

I have a Sears and Best Buy here. I will buy a TV locally. No shipping, and I can return it if there's a problem.

They will put a wifi receiver card in the PC if you want, for using internet, or you can use the 10/100/1000 ethernet port the com has built in.

I would probably use ethernet, and I can always add a wifi card later. Stuff like that I can do blindfolded... :-)

I wish you luck starting your own ISP... too bad you're not in Pennsylvania... ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007315 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:22:41 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007013
They will put a wifi receiver card in the PC if you want, for using internet, or you can use the 10/100/1000 ethernet port the com has built in.

Well I just hope they get LTE or DSL here with in 2 yrs, wireless is ok, but I would like more speed for less. Which is why I am going to start my own ISP and service rural areas first and have no or a 1tb cap, depending on how much the costumer will pay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22007013 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:31:43 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006879 said by me1212:

Wow... maybe that means no cap for them(I don't think they have one now[correct me if I'm wrong]) hope fully they will blaze the path of no cappingness(Is that a word?).

I just wish the had it where I live, but I doubt they will EVER get it in to rural areas like mine.
Yeah, same here.

I would kill for FIOS, but I doubt it will get to this backwater in my lifetime... :-(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006879 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:07:34 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006858 said by me1212:

Do you know what a wireless gaming adapter is? Basically they both plug into a ethernet port and make it wireless compatible, so you do not have to run cables. »visioncomputers.com/items.asp?Cc···TOPS&Bc= they have PCs starting at $500 with 3yrs free tech support on par with VOIPo, they have everything from a nothing but surfing/vid pc to just about the strongest gamming pc you can get for under 12k.

And 720p should be enough for surfing the web.
I'm not familiar with this builder, but they have some very nice machines for not too much $$$$. I like what I see so far.

It wouldn't be that much of a problem to run a cat6 cable to my bedroom- but I can do wireless. That's good too. ;-)

I have also been considering a build from Cyberpowerpc.com.

My main obstacles to building it myself is not that I can't do it. I've built computers before. But not for quite some time....therefore... I don't have any spare parts lying around like DDR2 ram, or a pci-xpress video card. Or even a spare motherboard or current power supply.

Ergo, I order a whole bunch of parts from newegg, then wind up with a defective one- how in hell do I diagnose a problem with no spare parts to swap?

I read the reviews on newegg all the time- and the amount of people complaining about DOA parts scares me... I think building is more trouble than it's worth nowadays.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006858 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:03:55 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006572 Anonymous_ See Profile

FOX11 HD looks is neer downloaded quality from torrent

624 x352 is comparale to TWC's "1280x720"
So that's why those divx files look so sharp on my old analog set...

I've noticed that anything I download looks 10x times better on my analog set than the analog cable signal does.

But you can't really use an analog tv with a computer because of the low-res, right?

I've almost plugged the trigger for the HDTV, but I keep reading how awful an analog signal looks on an HDTV... and I'm not ready to drop the cable just yet...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006572 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:10:43 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006501 said by Corehhi:

Newegg newegg newegg. I just had a thought, I wonder how cheaply you can make a computer to HDTV setup for???? You can get 40 inch HDTV's for for not that much. »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···89253161. Smaller TV and a cheap computer build and under $1000 is doable.
LOL

Newegg RULES! ;-)))

I get lots of stuff from the egg, much to my husbands dismay... ;-)

I am torn between buy or build though. For a cheap machine just for tv I may go with a refurbed Dell.

I got a refurbed Inspiron 530 back in April '08. It has an Intel Q6600, 4 GB's of ram, 500 GB hard drive, and an ATI Radeon 3450 video card. It was $550 including shipping. Came with XP Home, I've reformatted to XP Pro. It's a reasonably fast machine, and it's been great.

Something like this would be ideal for my bedroom, even if I would have to upgrade the video card.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22006501 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:55:26 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005940
I just wish the had it where I live, but I doubt they will EVER get it in to rural areas like mine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005940 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:43:28 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005496 When these cable and fios providers ask that question and cut back how much money th content providers receive we'll see a change, but I'm not sure what direction the scales will tip in.
It takes $ to create tv shows and movies, those $ (and a profit) are recouped by the content providers (ABC, NBC, FOX, HBO ESPN etc) through ad sales, product placements, merchandising and selling the distribution rights.
Silly as it sounds the content providers also care about their "branding" or brand image. When you take away the content from a very neatly controlled distribution method like TV you begin to erode the brand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005496 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:34:55 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005863
Watching that type of internet content on a big TV, from a comfortable chair or couch, beats watching it on a small PC monitor. Verizon needs to get with it and offer streaming video (not downloaded video which takes lots more time and lots more drive space).

I occasionally watch TV on the internet because I can watch something I missed and see older shows and movies not available on cable. And, Youtube has become the biggest jukebox around.

So, I use the internet to suppliment cable, not replace it. I just wish that there was an easier way to watch it on our big TV, like Verizon has promised.
Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005863 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:16:55 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005050 said by BF69:

said by Mchart:

I don't do things the 'legal' way, because as I just explained, the 'legal' way is me spending $30 on an HD Antenna and thats it. However, the benefit to downloading the rip is that I can watch it when I want, where I want - Instead of being forced to buy some overpriced DVR unit that also has another monthly free attached to it. Not to mention, many of the networks have begun broadcasting their shows lately in a fashion that makes it so playback from a DVR is impossible.
The thing is you don't have a "right" do do that. Hence the flaw in your argument. If you want to watch that content whenever where ever then PAY for it like you should. Is $2 too hard to come by? if so then maybe watching Tv shouldn't be your highest priority.
Once again, it's free for me either way. Either I can spend 30 bucks on an HD antenna and get the content for free, or spend nothing and continue downloading the rips.

Watching TV isn't my highest priority, thats why I don't pay for cable television and watch a few select shows on services which are completely legal like Hulu; Or occasionaly download the HD rips of shows like Lost.

My argument isn't flawed at all. Free is free. I could give a rats ass about the technicality of it. Comparing what i'm doing to raping someones daughter is absolutely rediculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005050 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:19:35 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005041 said by Mchart:

I don't do things the 'legal' way, because as I just explained, the 'legal' way is me spending $30 on an HD Antenna and thats it. However, the benefit to downloading the rip is that I can watch it when I want, where I want - Instead of being forced to buy some overpriced DVR unit that also has another monthly free attached to it. Not to mention, many of the networks have begun broadcasting their shows lately in a fashion that makes it so playback from a DVR is impossible.The thing is you don't have a "right" do do that. Hence the flaw in your argument. If you want to watch that content whenever where ever then PAY for it like you should. Is $2 too hard to come by? if so then maybe watching Tv shouldn't be your highest priority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005041 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:15:37 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005034 said by Mchart:

said by BF69:

said by Mchart:

Well, the stuff thats not on Hulu I just download. Doesn't take to long to download the 720p HDTV rips via rapidshare, and usually the rips hit the internet only a few hours after the show airs on TV.
I know you don't care, but that's illegal. Not sure why you just don't do things legally. People like you ruins shit for the rest of us.
Downloading TV shows that are being shown over the air in HD anyways is illegal? Maybe it is by technicality - But lets be realistic here. For $30 I could buy an HD Antenna and hook it up to my TV and have watched the same show in the same quality anyways. So me downloading it is nowhere near illegal on any normal human beings moral compass. I'm not ruining anything for anyone. The only people 'ruining' anything are the people still paying $80 a month for a service that provides commercials 80% of the time.

I don't do things the 'legal' way, because as I just explained, the 'legal' way is me spending $30 on an HD Antenna and thats it. However, the benefit to downloading the rip is that I can watch it when I want, where I want - Instead of being forced to buy some overpriced DVR unit that also has another monthly free attached to it. Not to mention, many of the networks have begun broadcasting their shows lately in a fashion that makes it so playback from a DVR is impossible.

I know your pissed because you still spend a fortune on your AD TV - But get with the program, honestly.
There is nothing "technial" about anything. And no I'm not pissed at anything other than people that steal and break the law. Is that the best point you can make? You know serial killers and child molesters justify their ways too doesn't make it ok.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22005034 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:12:56 EDT Re: why watch tv online if I already have cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22004992 said by BF69:

said by Mchart:

Well, the stuff thats not on Hulu I just download. Doesn't take to long to download the 720p HDTV rips via rapidshare, and usually the rips hit the internet only a few hours after the show airs on TV.
I know you don't care, but that's illegal. Not sure why you just don't do things legally. People like you ruins shit for the rest of us.
Downloading TV shows that are being shown over the air in HD anyways is illegal? Maybe it is by technicality - But lets be realistic here. For $30 I could buy an HD Antenna and hook it up to my TV and have watched the same show in the same quality anyways. So me downloading it is nowhere near illegal on any normal human beings moral compass. I'm not ruining anything for anyone. The only people 'ruining' anything are the people still paying $80 a month for a service that provides commercials 80% of the time.

I don't do things the 'legal' way, because as I just explained, the 'legal' way is me spending $30 on an HD Antenna and thats it. However, the benefit to downloading the rip is that I can watch it when I want, where I want - Instead of being forced to buy some overpriced DVR unit that also has another monthly free attached to it. Not to mention, many of the networks have begun broadcasting their shows lately in a fashion that makes it so playback from a DVR is impossible.

I know your pissed because you still spend a fortune on your AD TV - But get with the program, honestly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-watch-tv-online-if-I-already-have-cable-22004992 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:00:04 EDT