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Re: Here's the problem
Please...this isn't about interference. This is about an industry lobby not wanting new competitors. The reason they're bitching about this is the same reason they spent millions lobbying against the satellite radio merger.
They don't give two squirts of piss about "fringe" folks. They only concerned with stopping new competition for their membership.
Meanwhile I live and work in densely populated areas and don't suffer in the slightest from so-called sewer-like "spectrum" pollution with my 900MHz, 2.4GHz or 5GHz devices. |
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| said by Bit  :Please...this isn't about interference. This is about an industry lobby not wanting new competitors. The reason they're bitching about this is the same reason they spent millions lobbying against the satellite radio merger. They don't give two squirts of piss about "fringe" folks. They only concerned with stopping new competition for their membership. Meanwhile I live and work in densely populated areas and don't suffer in the slightest from so-called sewer-like "spectrum" pollution with my 900MHz, 2.4GHz or 5GHz devices. As a current sat radio customer (XM), I'd say that the merger has made things a lot worse. They screwed up half the music channels and are now raising the price for second receivers. Since they're now a monopoly, if I want sat radio I can't speak with my feet.
Broadcasters absolutely give a damn about fringe areas. That's the reason many are requesting power increases post analog shutoff. There's a little thing called ratings in this business that matter. |
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| I've very happy with the merger cause now I don't have to have 2 radios to get Stern and MLB. Meanwhile the NAtB wasn't protesting the merger because they wanted to protect you from evil...it's because a combined service is a stronger competitor against terrestrial radio. |
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said by Eat Me :said by Bit :Please...this isn't about interference. This is about an industry lobby not wanting new competitors. The reason they're bitching about this is the same reason they spent millions lobbying against the satellite radio merger. They don't give two squirts of piss about "fringe" folks. They only concerned with stopping new competition for their membership. Meanwhile I live and work in densely populated areas and don't suffer in the slightest from so-called sewer-like "spectrum" pollution with my 900MHz, 2.4GHz or 5GHz devices. As a current sat radio customer (XM), I'd say that the merger has made things a lot worse. = if it wasn't for the merger neither would exist right now. |
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What a surprise. Another Stern fan who doesn't mind trashing sat radio for Howard. |
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Re: Here's the problem
XM's music channels sucked ass pre merger. Don't like it, cancel. |
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Sussex, NJ | They had a ton more subs than Sirius did before Stern came on board, so they were doing something right. |
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With a share price of 13 cents today I don't think they'll be around much longer.
Sirius was the failing one. If it wasn't for stern they'd be in the digital dustbin and maybe XM would pick up the subs. XM had more subs and a higher share price before Stern came on board Sirius and brought on the knuckle draggers and basically ruined the industry.
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said by Eat Me :What a surprise. Another Stern fan who doesn't mind trashing sat radio for Howard. because that has anything to do with the issue, i am sure he is just a mindless howard stern slave.
the reason for the problems now has more to do with the contracts of both companies and not the merger...the cost would have caused both companies to be in the same situation now instead of the combined company.
Also their debt cost increased 150% because of the destruction of our banking system. not because of the merger.
But you are just a mindless slave to whom, that you keep spouting off this retoric without even investigating the real facts?
"Since they're now a monopoly"
sigh,
Sorry but they ruled its not a monopoly so give it up. if you do not like the music go to the other 700 placed you can get music from. i cancled 2 extra recievers and listen now to www.theradio.com...same music...same service.
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| Sirius was dying, and rightfully so. They were basically terrestrial radio delivered via satellite - too many DJs talking during the music, and a shallow playlist. Their stock was about $5 and their subscriber numbers were a fraction of what XM's was.
Then along came Howard Stern, and his minions of knuckle draggers. Sirius attracted a lot of subs because of him, and the rightfully deserved death penalty for a crappy business model was delayed. Problem is that Howard cost Sirius a lot of cash that they didn't have. Then along came the merger and Sirius figured they'd be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Problem is that XM subs liked how XM was, and Sirius changed it all up, dropping channels, adding these annoying talking DJs during the music etc.
Now the stock price is $0.13 and they're likely not to survive. I say kill them now and be done with it. Let Stern go to the internet and webcast for all I care.
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Sorry but they ruled its not a monopoly so give it up. if you do not like the music go to the other 700 placed you can get music from. i cancled 2 extra recievers and listen now to www.theradio.com...same music...same service.
Oh sure, the FCC was right about a lot of things, like fining CBS for the whole Janet Jackson nipple thing, eh? |
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Yeah, XM was good as making deals with the car industry, making exclusive deals denying Sirius competitive access (eg GM and Honda). It certainly wasn't their horrible commercial filled programming or horrible Oprah channel (that never has Oprah) or the lame Stern wannabes Opie and Anthony XM tried to charge extra for but had to give up on; eventually just making them free and raising rates on all XM subs.
Meanwhile, despite not having the big lucrative car contracts that XM did, Sirius' post-Stern growth smoked XM to the point that Sirius acquired XM and not the other way around. Now I get Sirius' far superior programming in my XM monopolized Acura and superior on-air talent like Stern, Mad Dog and ex-KROQ jocks (from when L.A. radio was the best in the nation).
XM even with their subscriber number agreed to be bought because they saw the writing on the wall...they were going to be destroyed by Sirius as Sirius made more auto contracts and easily outstripped XM in new subscriber adds.
I understand that there were a couple of fans of XM's programming, but in the long run XM would not have survived. XM was the AOL of satellite radio. |
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| So basically SIRI was a one trick pony. They couldn't survive without Stern.
Problem is that Stern is a lead balloon.
You're whining about GM and Honda, yet Sirius had contracts with Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Chrysler and was an option on Nissan. There may have been others but those are what I remember. As for the exclusivity of those contracts - so what? That's how you do business. Don't like it? NO one's forcing you to buy a GM or Honda vehicle.
As far as XM and Sirius buying them out - you're right. The writing was on the wall. Stern was a magnet for subscribers. Problem is that still made Sirius a one trick pony.
The stock's falling, debt is rising. Maybe Ergen will buy them up and run them into the ground for good. |
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| So what about exclusivity? That is why XM had the initial bigger adds...it wasn't their horrible music programming. But yeah you're right, no one is forcing you to continue subscribing to Sirius XM. And if Stern makes Sirius 1 trick pony I guess Oprah and O&A kept XM a no trick pony.
And take a look, everyone's stock is falling.
Meanwhile you're the one whining...I'm happy with SIRIUS XM. |
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many companies make those deals...its how you get your product out to the market and its called business. |
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Bit
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00000 | No duh. What I'm saying is that it was those lucrative deals that got the early XM subscriber adds over Sirius, not superior programming. Point being had Sirius scored those early deals, I think XM would have been out of business a long time ago. |
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| So what if XM scored deals with Honda and GM? Have you ever thought that Honda and GM did it all for free? No. They partnered and developed technology along with XM, such as NavTraffic.
Sirius had its own deals with car makers such as Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Chrysler to name a few.
Last I heard GM wasn't doing too well in car sales either.
Sirius did the exact same thing XM did - partnered with OEMs. They still didn't get the subscriber numbers until they added Stern. |
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said by Bit :So what about exclusivity? That is why XM had the initial bigger adds...it wasn't their horrible music programming. But yeah you're right, no one is forcing you to continue subscribing to Sirius XM. And if Stern makes Sirius 1 trick pony I guess Oprah and O&A kept XM a no trick pony. And take a look, everyone's stock is falling. Meanwhile you're the one whining...I'm happy with SIRIUS XM. XM actually got a lot of good reviews for its music programming. Its playlists were deep and rich, covering the top 40 to the obscure, while Sirius played mostly popular songs. The #1 reason people went to sat radio was to get music you don't hear on terrestrial radio. With Sirius they got what they were accustomed hearing on terrestrial radio, which is why they were headed down the path of FAIL.
Then they added Stern and it was mostly because of that their subscriber numbers picked back up. But the catch is that Stern isn't cheap.
Oprah on XM was pretty much in response to Stern on Sirius. I agree that adding O&A was a boneheaded move because O&A are really not that funny anymore. But O&A didn't really cost that much compared to lead balloon Stern. |
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I disagree. Stern has brought a lot of subs to Sirius, but I rather enjoy the music channels.
Do I listen to Stern? Yes, but he is getting increasingly boring, with the sameo sameo every bloody day.
He killed nearly 90 minutes one show yapping about Joaquin Phoenix's appearance on letterman. |
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