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 BF69Premium
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Camden, TN
1 edit | here's an idea to win over the public get rid of the caps. | |
|  miscDude
join:2005-03-24
Hendersonville, NC | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by BF69:get rid of the caps. Sadly... Caps are needed to keep people from abusing the system.
now... before you start trying to accuse me of trolling or being a comcast Apologist, Remember that for years there was an invisible cap that was used when determining abuse of a residential connection. Normally you had to exceed not only that cap number but certain other criteria before they slapped your hand.
People complained because there was some unknown number in the ether that they could get their hand slapped for crossing.
The result was that the Florida AG pretty much slapped Comcast's hand and told them they need to be more forthcoming with what the cap number was. Comcast complied... although their cap (unlike other MSO "trial" caps) is not a hard 'cross it and we'll charge you extra' type cap... and their AUP actually states that to get in trouble you must cross the cap AND meet other critera like being in the top percentage of users nationwide.
I've also heard some people mention that since they were forced to put a public number to the invisable cap, the number actually was lower than the older floating invisa-cap.....
(and I haven't done the math... but I don't think it is possible to exceed the cap Comcast has provided even if you max your connection during all the "off-peak" hours of a month.) | |
| | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by miscDude:said by BF69:get rid of the caps. Sadly... Caps are needed to keep people from abusing the system. Does Verizon know they're being abused? | |
| | | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by mystryfiostk:said by miscDude:said by BF69:get rid of the caps. Sadly... Caps are needed to keep people from abusing the system. Does Verizon know they're being abused? No, they deliver the product they sell. Having a true fiber optic network helps, too, vs. "the largest fiber optic in the nation" Comcast has. Funny I tried to see the "fiber" in that coax cable coming to my house and really was not there. Who should I believe, Comcast or my lying eyes ? Must be that copper fiber thing.
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| | | |  CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by sturmvogel:No, they deliver the product they sell. Having a true fiber optic network helps, too, vs. "the largest fiber optic in the nation" Comcast has. Funny I tried to see the "fiber" in that coax cable coming to my house and really was not there. Who should I believe, Comcast or my lying eyes ? Must be that copper fiber thing. I believe it's coax from the drop to your house, everything else is fiber, from the NODE to the drop, although, I could be 100 percent wrong too, any Comcast people want to chime in? | |
| | | | | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by Cheese:said by sturmvogel:No, they deliver the product they sell. Having a true fiber optic network helps, too, vs. "the largest fiber optic in the nation" Comcast has. Funny I tried to see the "fiber" in that coax cable coming to my house and really was not there. Who should I believe, Comcast or my lying eyes ? Must be that copper fiber thing. I believe it's coax from the drop to your house, everything else is fiber, from the NODE to the drop, although, I could be 100 percent wrong too, any Comcast people want to chime in? When most of the people see that COAX cable, repeating over and over in ads FIBER, FIBER, FIBER does seem misleading, does it not ?
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| | | | | | CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by sturmvogel:said by Cheese:said by sturmvogel:No, they deliver the product they sell. Having a true fiber optic network helps, too, vs. "the largest fiber optic in the nation" Comcast has. Funny I tried to see the "fiber" in that coax cable coming to my house and really was not there. Who should I believe, Comcast or my lying eyes ? Must be that copper fiber thing. I believe it's coax from the drop to your house, everything else is fiber, from the NODE to the drop, although, I could be 100 percent wrong too, any Comcast people want to chime in? When most of the people see that COAX cable, repeating over and over in ads FIBER, FIBER, FIBER does seem misleading, does it not ? Most people, firstly, don't know the difference between the 2. And no, it's not misleading, they very well may have a bigger fiber network, regardless of what comes into your house from the ROAD, then Verizon. If, it was COAX from the NODE to the DROP and then from the DROP to you house, yes, THAT would be misleading. | |
| | | | | | | | Apart from the last mile, cable TV is a fiber network.
And honestly, the way FiOS does it now with linear TV and MoCA, it is HFC, just not out on the poles but in your house. | |
| | | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Do you know or understand the difference between a FIBER NETWORK and a Hybrid/Coax delivery system?
It's not their fault you don't.. If you don't realize there is fiber in the system, then you're simply trolling right now.
They (cable) has advertised fiber in the network LONG before Verizon launched their Fios product, or Surewest/WinFirst came out with Fiber, etc... but now that they have, it's all the sudden misleading?
... only to those that want or care to make it a deal. | |
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| | | | | | said by Cheese:I believe it's coax from the drop to your house, everything else is fiber, from the NODE to the drop, although, I could be 100 percent wrong too, any Comcast people want to chime in? From the node to the drop it's coax. From the headend to the node it's fiber.
hth | |
| | | | | | CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by fifty nine:said by Cheese:I believe it's coax from the drop to your house, everything else is fiber, from the NODE to the drop, although, I could be 100 percent wrong too, any Comcast people want to chime in? From the node to the drop it's coax. From the headend to the node it's fiber. hth thanks for the response  | |
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| | | | When VZFios hits more than HSI customer, we shall see if they implement caps or not | |
| | | | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by baineschile1 :
When VZFios hits more than HSI customer, we shall see if they implement caps or not
VZ FiOS doesn't have to contend with sharing the last mile among 500 users and with their GPON they have plenty of headroom. | |
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| | | said by miscDude:said by BF69:get rid of the caps. (and I haven't done the math... but I don't think it is possible to exceed the cap Comcast has provided even if you max your connection during all the "off-peak" hours of a month.) Yes, you could. The connection could deliver approx 2 TB/month. Divide that by eight and you could use your connection 3 hrs/day so not to run into the cap. Off peak hours are between 12 AM - 3 AM, right ?
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by miscDude:said by BF69:get rid of the caps. Sadly... Caps are needed to keep people from abusing the system. According to Comcast only 1 out of 1000 are abusing the system. Doesn't seem like much of a problem.
now... before you start trying to accuse me of trolling or being a comcast Apologist, Remember that for years there was an invisible cap that was used when determining abuse of a residential connection. Normally you had to exceed not only that cap number but certain other criteria before they slapped your hand.
People complained because there was some unknown number in the ether that they could get their hand slapped for crossing.
The result was that the Florida AG pretty much slapped Comcast's hand and told them they need to be more forthcoming with what the cap number was. Comcast complied... although their cap (unlike other MSO "trial" caps) is not a hard 'cross it and we'll charge you extra' type cap... and their AUP actually states that to get in trouble you must cross the cap AND meet other critera like being in the top percentage of users nationwide.
I've also heard some people mention that since they were forced to put a public number to the invisible cap, the number actually was lower than the older floating invisa-cap..... I don't need the history lesson, I know why they did what they did. The fact is that IF bandwidth management is the reason for cap a straight monthly cap is a very retarded way of doing it. And even a retard can see that.
The fact is that if your trying to manage bandwidth you do it on a DAILY basis and you do it during PEAK hours. You have a daily cap during peak times and thus encourage more people to do their downloading and stuff during off peak times. That's how you lessen congestion.
besides with Docsis 3.0 there shouldn't be any need for bandwidth management. So what's there excuse for that?
Not to mention in FIOS area they have no cap. How is that fair to the other Comcast customers? If badnwidth was really an major issue they'd have to institute caps FiOS or not.
(and I haven't done the math... but I don't think it is possible to exceed the cap Comcast has provided even if you max your connection during all the "off-peak" hours of a month.) Comcast has 250 GB cap. There is no "off peak" the cap applies 24/7. A 1 Mbps connection running 24/7 would use up 316 GB a month in download alone. I believe Comcast's speeds are 16 Mbps. Do that math. | |
| | | | it wasn't just the FL AG it was some people on here that decided to sue comcast. Everything was fine until they decided they needed to change Comcast. | |
| | | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by hottboiinnc:it wasn't just the FL AG it was some people on here that decided to sue comcast. Everything was fine until they decided they needed to change Comcast. Everything was NOT fine. They had a deceptive practice that the FL AG had an issue with and they were forced to reveal it. It is not as if there was no cap until the AG intervened, it was just an UNDISCLOSED cap they had to put a number on. It is disinformation spread by people like YOU that twists the facts.
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| Re: here's an idea to win over the public no you need to go read up. The FL AG's office did not make a big deal out of it since only a small percentage of customers were affected. Rob from this website is the one that made a big deal out of it and now bitches because ALL Internet traffic is part of it- including VoIP from Vonage and others. He sued because he wanted a hard cap limit. Well he got one and so did everyone else. Go take your problems out on him and not Comcast or Brian Roberts. They only gave what the people asked for. In this case it was Rob and the courts.
And by the way it's Comcast's network they can do with it as they wish. Be glad you have service. | |
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 joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA | said by BF69:get rid of the caps. I suspect the meter will eliminate much of the cap complaining. If you find you routinely are at 150GB, you'll probably not really care about the cap unless you add new demand such as NetFlix, etc. Either way, meter first. | |
| | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by joetaxpayer:said by BF69:get rid of the caps. I suspect the meter will eliminate much of the cap complaining. If you find you routinely are at 150GB, you'll probably not really care about the cap unless you add new demand such as NetFlix, etc. Either way, meter first. Yeah, coming "soon".
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| | | | | Re: here's an idea to win over the public I agree the meter would ease concerns and I look forward to it being available | |
| | | | joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA | Re: here's an idea to win over the public said by comcastcares:I agree the meter would ease concerns and I look forward to it being available CCC - there is a vocal minority that will always b*tch about the concept of the cap. Longer term, I'm concerned that your bandwidth speeds are now making HD on demand a reality. With NetFlix and similar, you're going to get a distortion to your customer profiles. The 2GB emailers, the 40GB (me) surfers and audio podcast listener, and then the 200GB plus heavy video user. NetFlix is now on computer, Xbox, TiVo. So you now have legitimate (non-pirate) users who are heading to the big transfers. These people may even be those who were non-techie low users until legit video hit. | |
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