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| | Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google So, Robb Topolski goes to work for the "New America Foundation," an inside-the-Beltway DC lobbying group whose strings are pulled by Google.
The New America Foundation, which claims to be a "public interest" group, in fact is a lobbying arm of Google in DC. Its agendas all correspond precisely with those of GoogleClick -- a rich corporation which is the largest invader of personal privacy on the Net. (Between DoubleClick tracking cookies, "Google Analytics," and its ability to read GMail users' e-mail and develop profiles and dossiers on them, Google has a lot to worry about should Washington crack down on its abuses. So, Google is using the monopoly rents it gleans from its monopoly on Internet search to thwart privacy legislation and at the same time to lobby for regulation of ISPs -- the companies best positioned to compete with it and prevent it from tightening its grip on its monopoly still further.
Robb Topolski proved himself to be a worthy "useful idiot" for Google when he set himself up as a "poster child" for Comcast's horrible, awful, unconscionable (NOT!) abuses, which consisted entirely of throttling back bandwidth hogs and pirates. And Robb lied before the FCC while speaking in favor of its agenda. And so, because he served their patron so bravely, Robb was rewarded by Google's astroturf lobbying groups in DC -- including "Free Press" and "Public Knowledge" -- with "consulting" work.
This work will continue at New America, of course, and we can expect more of the same falsehoods from him in the future, I am sure. He's likely to be involved, for example, in the "M-Labs" testing tools, which provide misleading and inaccurate measurements of ISP performance. (The purpose of the tools is to find fault with ISPs' service, so as to make a bogus case for regulation of the Internet.) This will hurt all of us as Internet consumers. But the lobbyists don't care; all they want is more big bucks from Google. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google For many on this site net neutrality is more important than privacy, since at least we can take steps ourselves to protect most of our privacy on the net.
Also, i feel many people like myself could not care less if anyone watched what sites i visited. Seems like a waste of time to me.
Also, your statement that comcast only throttled "pirates, and "bandwidth hogs", is absolutely untrue, as well as lame.
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|  | | said by SuperWISP:So, Robb Topolski goes to work for the "New America Foundation," an inside-the-Beltway DC lobbying group whose strings are pulled by Google. The New America Foundation, which claims to be a "public interest" group, in fact is a lobbying arm of Google in DC. Its agendas all correspond precisely with those of GoogleClick -- a rich corporation which is the largest invader of personal privacy on the Net. (Between DoubleClick tracking cookies, "Google Analytics," and its ability to read GMail users' e-mail and develop profiles and dossiers on them, Google has a lot to worry about should Washington crack down on its abuses. So, Google is using the monopoly rents it gleans from its monopoly on Internet search to thwart privacy legislation and at the same time to lobby for regulation of ISPs -- the companies best positioned to compete with it and prevent it from tightening its grip on its monopoly still further. Robb Topolski proved himself to be a worthy "useful idiot" for Google when he set himself up as a "poster child" for Comcast's horrible, awful, unconscionable (NOT!) abuses, which consisted entirely of throttling back bandwidth hogs and pirates. And Robb lied before the FCC while speaking in favor of its agenda. And so, because he served their patron so bravely, Robb was rewarded by Google's astroturf lobbying groups in DC -- including "Free Press" and "Public Knowledge" -- with "consulting" work. This work will continue at New America, of course, and we can expect more of the same falsehoods from him in the future, I am sure. He's likely to be involved, for example, in the "M-Labs" testing tools, which provide misleading and inaccurate measurements of ISP performance. (The purpose of the tools is to find fault with ISPs' service, so as to make a bogus case for regulation of the Internet.) This will hurt all of us as Internet consumers. But the lobbyists don't care; all they want is more big bucks from Google. These words coming from a crappy ISP like you carry a lot of weight and have no bias whatsoever.
Robb exposed the bad "management" practices Comcast has/had and those that would like to follow those practices (like you) are now upset they were exposed. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by sturmvogel:Robb exposed the bad "management" practices Comcast has/had and those that would like to follow those practices (like you) are now upset they were exposed. Not true at all. Our ISP has always fully disclosed its management practices. Without them, our quality of service would be destroyed by P2Pers and bandwidth hogs. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by SuperWISP:said by sturmvogel:Robb exposed the bad "management" practices Comcast has/had and those that would like to follow those practices (like you) are now upset they were exposed. Not true at all. Our ISP has always fully disclosed its management practices. Without them, our quality of service would be destroyed by P2Pers and bandwidth hogs. Glad I am not one of your customers. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by sturmvogel:Glad I am not one of your customers. Actually, so am I. We believe that people should obey the law and keep their agreements with one another. | |
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1 edit | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by SuperWISP:said by sturmvogel:Glad I am not one of your customers. Actually, so am I. We believe that people should obey the law and keep their agreements with one another. Using Bit Torrent is not illegal. Any network under 100% utilization is just a wasted network. Networks are there to use, remember?
Further more one can easily shape traffic not based on protocols, but rather on usage. This would prevent any user from getting unfairly slow speeds.
One can do this on my 50 dollar DD-WRT (linksys) router. Surely you can do better than that. | |
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 |  |  | | said by SuperWISP:said by sturmvogel:Robb exposed the bad "management" practices Comcast has/had and those that would like to follow those practices (like you) are now upset they were exposed. Not true at all. Our ISP has always fully disclosed its management practices. Without them, our quality of service would be destroyed by P2Pers and bandwidth hogs. What is the name of your company, again ? I sure would like to hear from your customers about your quality of service. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google Brett is the O/O of www.lariat.net | |
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 AVonGaussPremium join:2007-11-01 Boynton Beach, FL | Sounds like you're trying to do a bit of lobbying yourself... | |
|  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by AVonGauss:Sounds like you're trying to do a bit of lobbying yourself... I don't have the money to lobby; I'm a hard working, small, honest businessman. However, when the weather is bad as it is today, I can take a bit of time away from providing rural folks with broadband (and they really want and need it!) to expose the lies told by corporate lobbyists such as Topolski. His group's message sounds populist until you look at who is funding it and what their goals really are. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by SuperWISP:said by AVonGauss:Sounds like you're trying to do a bit of lobbying yourself... I don't have the money to lobby; I'm a hard working, small, honest businessman. However, when the weather is bad as it is today, I can take a bit of time away from providing rural folks with broadband (and they really want and need it!) to expose the lies told by corporate lobbyists such as Topolski. His group's message sounds populist until you look at who is funding it and what their goals really are. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. If it takes a huge corporation to hammer another one for its practices against its customers, so be it. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  |  | | said by SuperWISP:said by AVonGauss:Sounds like you're trying to do a bit of lobbying yourself... I don't have the money to lobby; I'm a hard working, small, honest businessman. You are a businessman. You are trying to deliver the service with the least amount of cost and you see client generated load on your network as bad because it costs you additional money. What is the driving force ? Greed. For you, it is good.
Your customers want to get the most usage (throughput) for the least cost (to them). Their driving force ? Greed. But in their case, it is a bad thing.
Why is it good for you and bad for them ? -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  |  |  1 edit | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by sturmvogel:You are a businessman. You are trying to deliver the service with the least amount of cost Not true. If I wanted to be rich, I would have gone into a difference business. Providing broadband service to unserved for areas is, for me, a calling. However, our business must remain sustainable or our customers will ultimately be without service. A user should not expect to be able to take more bandwidth than his monthly fees will cover, nor to be able to degrade others' service so that he can download illegally copied materials or pornography. | |
|  |  |  |  |  knightmbEverybody Lies join:2003-12-01 Franklin, TN | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by SuperWISP:said by sturmvogel:You are a businessman. You are trying to deliver the service with the least amount of cost Not true. If I wanted to be rich, I would have gone into a difference business. Providing broadband service to unserved for areas is, for me, a calling. However, our business must remain sustainable or our customers will ultimately be without service. A user should not expect to be able to take more bandwidth than his monthly fees will cover, nor to be able to degrade others' service so that he can download illegally copied materials or pornography. Short of monitor everything your customers do, you'll never be able to get the kind of ideal customers you are talking about. Take measures into your own hands, invest in equipment that traffic shape properly and don't worry what others are doing. Just make sure everyone gets a fair slice of the pie for bandwidth and you'll always have happy customers. It didn't take me long to figure that out when I go into the WISP business. -- Fight NebuAD and the like: Click Here to pollute their data | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by knightmb:Just make sure everyone gets a fair slice of the pie for bandwidth and you'll always have happy customers. Not true, alas. There are some customers who always want to hog bandwidth and want your rates to be below your cost. I'm sure that the person who posted above wouldn't be happy with a fair price. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by SuperWISP:said by knightmb:Just make sure everyone gets a fair slice of the pie for bandwidth and you'll always have happy customers. Not true, alas. There are some customers who always want to hog bandwidth and want your rates to be below your cost. I'm sure that the person who posted above wouldn't be happy with a fair price. Well, I am glad you have your certainties. A fair price for services rendered is a matter of negotiation, not the ISP promising something and calling the customer(s) names when they actually want to use what they purchased. Explaining and reaching an understanding mutually beneficial does not seem to be your concern nor your strong point. You have a high handed attitude in my opinion by the way you post. Your "calling" is not a carte blanche to treat your customers badly, as you seem to believe you are entitled to. People want to use more than email and wb access these days and if you cannot support that, at least you could take RESPONSIBILITY for this limitation due to your equipment/delivery method instead of blaming the customers for wanting something a lot of people use. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | said by SuperWISP:said by sturmvogel:You are a businessman. You are trying to deliver the service with the least amount of cost Not true. If I wanted to be rich, I would have gone into a difference business. Providing broadband service to unserved for areas is, for me, a calling. However, our business must remain sustainable or our customers will ultimately be without service. A user should not expect to be able to take more bandwidth than his monthly fees will cover, nor to be able to degrade others' service so that he can download illegally copied materials or pornography. Last I checked, downloading pornography was not illegal. As long as the contract is clear and upfront regarding how much an user could download/month, I see no problem with limiting downloads. Using vague terms and demonizing the users that actually use what they paid for is wrong, though. Although you claim to be upfront, you surely seem to be 100% using the tactics CC was slapped for by the FL AG.
So, what is your company again ? Let's see that TOS, how upfront it is, really. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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 |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | And there goals are what exactly?
To destroy you? You make it sound that way.... | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google Free competition backed by large companies would definitely eliminate small ISP's like superwisp here that relies on a customer base that has to contend with meager offerings since no one else services them and have to take whatever he considers fair. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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| Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google Well, he's claiming that Robb is a tool and being used for an agenda, but at the same time he's clearly forwarding his own personal self-interest and agenda. Perhaps if he could explain exactly what the problem is with Google and why he's convinced they are out to hurt us he'd gather more support then lashing out at Robb in what seems like a rant. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google We are looking quite soon at a significant jump in Internet access as was from dial-up to broadband. That jump was driven by customer demand as will be this one. Remember that in the days of dial up being connected 24/7 was considered an "abuse" by "great" providers (AOL) which was very happy with ignorant users and only "hogs" and "hackers" had better connectivity as ISDN.
These days we take for granted the 24/7 connection and we see a bandwidth issue demonized by crappy ISP's that do not want to invest in infrastructure.
I expect that soon either fiber or some type of wireless will resolve this issue and dinosaurs like CC will become a niche provider as is dial up today. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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| Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google Unfortunately it appears to me that we will find in this country, as has happened in so many other industries, a closed business model that bars competition and has impossible barriers to entry in place to protect the big corporate interests--- we will move to a model like wireless, of very restrictive, low caps with extremely high penalties and overages charges. This model will protect the profits of other lines of business owned by the large communications companies (IE Video on demand, Pay TV profits). Certain large players will benefit immensely while innovation and other potential advances that could have been brought to us by things like FTTH will be stamped out or seriously curtailed by the big Communication corporations toll-keeping of access.
This is the big "Pro-Corporate Agenda" you see pushed by several people here. They call it a free market and make nice little comments like "Build your own network if you wish to enter the market" all the while ignoring the barriers to entry. The people who fight against this agenda are often labeled as "socialists" or "anti-capitalism" but really, that's just part of the ideological war. I prefer to think of a more consumer friendly system of competition, choices, good service, etc which would be greatly advanced by open access to the last mile infrastructure.... Unfortunately the chances of this happening seems to be less and less likely each passing year. I expect the "market" to become extremely restrictive and very limited on choice, services, and good value for consumers. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by KrK:Unfortunately it appears to me that we will find in this country, as has happened in so many other industries, a closed business model that bars competition and has impossible barriers to entry in place to protect the big corporate interests--- we will move to a model like wireless, of very restrictive, low caps with extremely high penalties and overages charges. This model will protect the profits of other lines of business owned by the large communications companies (IE Video on demand, Pay TV profits). Certain large players will benefit immensely while innovation and other potential advances that could have been brought to us by things like FTTH will be stamped out or seriously curtailed by the big Communication corporations toll-keeping of access. This is the big "Pro-Corporate Agenda" you see pushed by several people here. They call it a free market and make nice little comments like "Build your own network if you wish to enter the market" all the while ignoring the barriers to entry. The people who fight against this agenda are often labeled as "socialists" or "anti-capitalism" but really, that's just part of the ideological war. I prefer to think of a more consumer friendly system of competition, choices, good service, etc which would be greatly advanced by open access to the last mile infrastructure.... Unfortunately the chances of this happening seems to be less and less likely each passing year. I expect the "market" to become extremely restrictive and very limited on choice, services, and good value for consumers. Very good comment and true, although depressing. Maybe a glimmer of light would be the government breaking a few monopolies here. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Wow, that sounds quite bitter.... | |
|  | | As a small WISP operator, you paint Robb to be the most vile and dangerous sort of villain here, Brett. Just as long as we're not engaging in hyperbole of any sort... | |
|  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by Karl Bode:As a small WISP operator, you paint Robb to be the most vile and dangerous sort of villain here, Brett. Just as long as we're not engaging in hyperbole of any sort... Brett has an opposing interest to Robb's due to financial gains. I believe actually Brett makes some valid point about the quality of service being possibly degraded by heavy users. I believe he would go a long way in actually resolving some of the issues by reaching a dialogue with his users and explaining what he could support instead of demonizing his users. That is the crux of the issue with ISP's these days: lack of competition has driven customer service out of the equation and that is why tensions exist. An ISP cannot exist without its customers and customers would not have Internet access without an ISP. Common courtesy, dialogue and mutual understanting between the ISP and knowlegeable users could help a lot instead of deep dislike from both sides. As a party that sees a lot more of the big picture that the individual users, the ISP should try to initiate this dialog and spend a bit of time in trying to educate its users before calling them names. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  | | said by Karl Bode:As a small WISP operator, you paint Robb to be the most vile and dangerous sort of villain here, Brett. Just as long as we're not engaging in hyperbole of any sort... He is NOT a villain. But he is pushing his agenda and that of the content providers and he is being paid by them to do it. So SuperWisp has made some valid points. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by fAcEtIOUs:He is NOT a villain. But he is pushing his agenda and that of the content providers and he is being paid by them to do it. So SuperWisp has made some valid points. And I believe you are paid by some ISP and Wisp IS an ISP and you are pushing your agenda. If you imply that somehow Robb is paid to push that agenda and it is bad to be paid to do it, why is it ok for you to do the same exact thing ? -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  |  |  1 edit | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by sturmvogel:said by fAcEtIOUs:He is NOT a villain. But he is pushing his agenda and that of the content providers and he is being paid by them to do it. So SuperWisp has made some valid points. And I believe you are paid by some ISP and Wisp IS an ISP and you are pushing your agenda. If you imply that somehow Robb is paid to push that agenda and it is bad to be paid to do it, why is it ok for you to do the same exact thing ? Wrong again!! I am retired. I am paid by no one. And all opinions are my own. And that has been stated repeatedly in the 7 years I have been posting on BBR. And you are right - I have an agenda. And it is to provide a counterweight to the unrelenting anti-corporate BS that is posted here by the uninformed and those with a left wing socialist political agenda. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by fAcEtIOUs:said by sturmvogel:said by fAcEtIOUs:He is NOT a villain. But he is pushing his agenda and that of the content providers and he is being paid by them to do it. So SuperWisp has made some valid points. And I believe you are paid by some ISP and Wisp IS an ISP and you are pushing your agenda. If you imply that somehow Robb is paid to push that agenda and it is bad to be paid to do it, why is it ok for you to do the same exact thing ? Wrong again!! I am retired. I am paid by no one. And all opinions are my own. And that has been stated repeatedly in the 7 years I have been posting on BBR. And you are right - I have an agenda. And it is to provide a counterweight to the unrelenting anti-corporate BS that is posted here by the uninformed and those with a left wing socialist political agenda. Well, it is against my communist upbringing to argue with the retired and disabled, but I do believe that what you say is incorect. There is a lot of pro-corporate agenda pushed by you and a few others and it will be proven for what it is, hopefully soon. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by sturmvogel:Well, it is against my communist upbringing to argue with the retired and disabled, but I do believe that what you say is {sic}incorect. There is a lot of pro-corporate agenda pushed by you and a few others and it will be proven for what it is, hopefully soon. Your mistaken belief has no basis. And please, waste your time trying to prove what isn't true. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not a celebrity, but rather a tool of Google said by fAcEtIOUs:said by sturmvogel:Well, it is against my communist upbringing to argue with the retired and disabled, but I do believe that what you say is {sic}incorect. There is a lot of pro-corporate agenda pushed by you and a few others and it will be proven for what it is, hopefully soon. Your mistaken belief has no basis. And please, waste your time trying to prove what isn't true. I did not mean to imply that you were disabled, apologies. There are some other users that I had discussions with that are and that was a general statement regarding East German ethics. -- Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries. | |
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 |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | said by fAcEtIOUs:But he is pushing his agenda and that of the content providers and he is being paid by them to do it. So SuperWisp has made some valid points. Bret hasn't made many valid points, and I'm pretty disgusted at his never-qualified attacks of me. Not once have I lied, as he's frequently accused. I have no Interest in Google's "agenda" and I've never batted for Google anywhere.
Can you explain why Google is for Net Neutrality? Here is a company with so much money that they could pay-off all of the transit providers and last-mile ISPs for priority and not break a sweat. If they did so, they would assure for themselves the #1 position forever. Instead, they support a model which with every passing day extends the possibility that some other startup search provider might gain a foothold in a network providing a level playing field. AND IT WILL HAPPEN, given enough time.
You can call them stupid for doing this, but if that's Google's "agenda," it isn't much different than having no agenda at all. Instead, it looks like Google has a great understanding of what the Internet is and what it is not -- it's not "theirs" to own. Every time I've worked with Google employees, I've found a great ethos that much of Silicon Valley (esp. Redwood City ) has forgotten.
But I've never pushed their agenda, nor have they asked me to (nor even told me what it is). -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL ... Do something! ... | |
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 |  | | Karl, Robb is now officially an employee of an inside-the-Beltway lobbying group which is in turn part of a Google-funded "astroturf" campaign to regulate the Internet and harm consumers. As one can see from »www.newamerica.net/programs/oti#···amtabs-5, he's part of a Google-sponsored effort to harm ISPs, increase their costs (which in turn will have to be passed on to consumers), and degrade broadband service by outlawing sensible network management. If you're truly a broadband consumer advocate (as you style yourself to be), you'll call not only Robb but the others in this group out for this. | |
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