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join:2004-02-23
Bluff Dale, TX
reply to Hwnsista

Re: [Scam] Ebay Motors Scam

All the scammer needs is a success every once in a while to keep going.
Same eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection Program. Just to make the victim warm and fuzzy.
»www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/inve···977.html
20k for an RV


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While it is a sad story to read of anyone losing 20K they bought the item through an ad on »www.rvtraderonline.com/ using email contact only instead of through a ad/auction page on »motors.ebay.com which is listed as the only way to be enrolled in the VPP ["You are automatically enrolled in the program at no charge when you complete the purchase of an eligible vehicle on the eBay Motors site (motors.ebay.com). "] so by not paying attention to simple details and simply asking where is the link I will use at "motors.ebay.com" to purchase the vehicle they are now out of their retirement savings. A working link to a ad/auction at "motors.ebay.com" is exactly what the scammers cannot produce and this would stop their scam dead in the water at that point.

There is an old saying that "The devil is in the details" which this story and others like it illustrate so clearly.
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mimisma

@sbcglobal.net
reply to Hwnsista
This is another name of our friend Sgt. Jason: ."Jason Peck, USAF Tech. Sgt."


sundevil

@cox.net
reply to Hwnsista
I think I may be involved in this scam as well but I am in the process of making the decision to buy it or not. Can you please take a look at these emails and the information to help me out.

Ok, the first thing that made me think this deal is too good to be true is:

-Listed on Craigslist
-2004 Nissan 350z for $4300 with only 37,000 miles on it. (wow?)
-I sent an email to the person asking the standard questions about if it had been sold yet, any accidents, VIN#, etc?
-The person replies in an email... 2 MINUTES LATER!
Here is that email:

Hello there,
I'm writing you regarding my 2004 Nissan 350 Z.
The car it's in perfect condition. Paint and everything else is flawless.
The car has a clear title and it has only 37,200 miles on it.
The price is not negotiable, if you are interested in buying it, the price is $4,300. I sell the car at this price because I cannot enjoy it due to my job (I work as a casino dealer on a cruise ship) and I'm a single woman and I have nobody close who can use it.
All documents, including owner's manual, clear title and a bill of sale on your name will be provided along with the car. Also about payment and shipping I will use only eBay Purchase Protection so we can both be protected. I am looking forward to hear from you.

Thank you!

Ok, first of all, all these scams seem to have the same message that they are "out of town" and they can have the car shipped via a friend or someone. Second, I also asked other questions like "does the ac work?" "how many owners", etc. and none of these questions were answered directly. The email seemed to be a copy/pasted drawn up letter.

So I replied to the email again - asking for the VIN # so I could research the car history. This was the reply:

Hello,

Sorry for my late reply. I have to tell you that I'm currently at work.. As I already told you, I work as a dealer on a cruise ship and for this reason I chose to sell my car over the internet. The car it's in Chagrin Falls, Ohio at the shipping company, it's already packed and waiting to be shipped anywhere.. I have a friend there at DAS who will manage me a low price shipping and I assumed that it's from me to pay for shipping it. You will receive all the documents of the car (owner's manuals, keys, clear title, bill of sale) in order to register it under your name.
If you are interested to purchase the car, I have done some researching and the best way to close the deal is through eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection Program. The transaction fits the Vehicle Protection plan and will be covered by eBay. Vehicle Purchase Protection reimburses buyers who are involved in a vehicle transaction through their program. The program provides reimbursement for all the situations that can appear in a transaction. The money will be sent to an eBay agent. After the payment is confirmed and secured by eBay I will start the shipping. The car will be in front at your door in max 3 days. From the moment you receive the car you have a 5 days inspection period. After the 5 days you have to decide if you want to keep the car or not. If you'll keep it, the payment will be released to me. In case you will not like the car and decide not to keep it, you will have to ship it back and you will be fully refunded.
If you agree I will need your full name and complete shipping address, your phone#.

Thank you!
P.S. The VIN # is .....(deleted it for privacy issues in this forum, not sure if i need to, but just in case)

I did a vehicle history report of the car and it is in fact the correct car, correct mileage as stated, and has a clean history. However, why did I find this car listed on Phoenix, Arizona search of used cars when the car is in Ohio and she works on a cruise ship?

There has been more emails back and forth, but basically a lot of red flags are going up in my head about this being a legit deal.

-Email response in only 2 minutes in what sounds like a copy/pasted response to any emails sent to that email.
-Car is way underpriced for the type of car and mileage
-Talked with ebay representative online and she confirmed that they DO NOT hold onto money between buyer and seller as the buyer approves or disapproves of the car that is purchased.

FINAL NOTE: As I finally finished this long post, I went back to the listing on craigslist and noticed that the car listing has been flagged for removal. I figured I would still post this so that if anyone gets contacted by this person they will avoid it. The name of person was Sabrina Bullock.


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However, why did I find this car listed on Phoenix, Arizona search of used cars when the car is in Ohio and she works on a cruise ship?
Well, because it's a FRAUD.

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Maybe the cruise ship stops in Phoenix.

I've noted a big reduction in this kind of ad on our local Craigs list


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reply to sundevil
Tell them you are in the area and want to see the vehicle in person..they then stop responding.

On the Orange County Craigslist there are 3-5 of those scams posted every day...just put a max of $5,000.00 in the search.
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reply to sundevil
said by sundevil :

I think I may be involved in this scam as well but I am in the process of making the decision to buy it or not. Can you please take a look at these emails and the information to help me out.

Ok, the first thing that made me think this deal is too good to be true is:

-Listed on Craigslist
-2004 Nissan 350z for $4300 with only 37,000 miles on it. (wow?)

If you are interested to purchase the car, I have done some researching and the best way to close the deal is through eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection Program. The transaction fits the Vehicle Protection plan and will be covered by eBay.

I did a vehicle history report of the car and it is in fact the correct car, correct mileage as stated, and has a clean history. However, why did I find this car listed on Phoenix, Arizona search of used cars when the car is in Ohio and she works on a cruise ship?

-Talked with ebay representative online and she confirmed that they DO NOT hold onto money between buyer and seller as the buyer approves or disapproves of the car that is purchased.
All that you have to do to know it is a Scam is to read what the eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection Program actually is and how it really works. Don't automatically trust what is in the email as being true or accurate, read the eBay Web Site! Buyer Beware! Educate Yourself or lose money...

If there is not an auction page listing on »motors.ebay.com which has the exact vehicle listed by VIN then you are being scammed as that is the only way to be enrolled in the VPP ["You are automatically enrolled in the program at no charge when you complete the purchase of an eligible vehicle on the eBay Motors site (motors.ebay.com). "] Otherwise, 100% Scam! No Doubt about it!

Is the car listed in an Auction or Buy It Now sale page at »motors.ebay.com ?

• If Yes, then buy it ONLY through the eBay Web Site after reading all terms at the eBay Web Site.

• If No, it is 100% a SCAM! No, Craigslist purchases or via email purchases are not covered by eBay Motors VPP.
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docsmullins

@windstream.net
reply to Hwnsista
OK. Thanks to the helpful (and spot on) posts on this forum, I have stopped pursuing the unbelievably (of course) priced camper I was looking at. The emails were exactly as described in this thread. However, I went as far as giving my name and address, just to see what happened. I figured, it's available in any phone book, what could be the harm?

So I ask you guys, what is the harm of submitting that info? I know I ~fell prey to those scam artists (thankfully, never gave out any money info), but how will my address help them? Hopefully they just sell it to Capital One or something, but I would hate to get into a whole identity theft thing...

MGD
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said by docsmullins :

...However, I went as far as giving my name and address, just to see what happened. I figured, it's available in any phone book, what could be the harm?

So I ask you guys, what is the harm of submitting that info? I know I ~fell prey to those scam artists (thankfully, never gave out any money info), but how will my address help them? Hopefully they just sell it to Capital One or something, but I would hate to get into a whole identity theft thing...
In this case, you do not have anything to worry about. During the "deal" they will send you a fake Ebay invoice with your name and address on it. Instructing you that Ebay has approved the sale and guarantees the escrow set up, all false of course.

Their focus is on scamming people out of cash via Western Union and Money Gram, and they make out really good doing it. They have little or no interest in just your name and address. By itself without other identity info, it is of little use.

As you can probably tell by the wording and phrasing of the written communications, English is not these criminals native language. The vast majority of this genre of fake auto adds are ran by Romanian cyber criminals.

The Fake half price auto & equipment adds where the seller is overseas, are to Romanian criminals what 419 lottery prize, & inheritance scams are to Nigerians.

MGD



Mr Owe

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reply to Hwnsista
It would seem as though these scams are a dime a dozen. Here is a convo I had with a "girl in new york" about buying a pickup truck.

From: Natasha Gammon(ngammon44@msn.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:00:25 +0000
Subject: RE: 2000 Ford : F250 Lariat Crew Cab Short-Bed 4X4 Lifted

First of all I want to thank you for your interest for my truck. This is a 2000 Ford F250 Lariat 4X4 in EXCELLENT condition; the body and paint are great, no scratches and no dents; the interior is clean; it has never been involved in an accident; the title is clear.

I sell at this price($2,900.00) because I just finished the divorce with my husband and the truck is an unpleasant memory. When the divorce has finished I own this truck. Now I moved to my parents in Brooklyn, NY and the truck is here in Brooklyn at the shipping company sealed and ready for the shipping. I don't have anyone there to help me with the sale and I decided to make this transaction through eBay. According with eBay you will have 5 days to inspect and test drive it upon arrival with no obligation to buy. Should the truck not be exactly as described, you can cancel the deal, and get a full refund of your money. In maximum 36 hours the truck will be at your address. The shipping and the return shipping is 100% free, there won't be any extra cost for you. You will not loose any money or pay any other than the price. I just need your full name and address so I can open a case .(with no further obligation or fees).

VIN: 1FTNW21F0YEA60460, Mileage: 125,831, Body type: Pickup truck, Engine: 8 Cylinder(7.3L V8 Powerstroke), Transmission: Automatic, Fuel type: Diesel, Exterior color: Black, Interior color: Tan.

Leather seats, 4-Wheel drive, CD player, Anti-lock brakes, Driver airbag, Passenger airbag, Cruise control, Power locks, Power seats, Power windows, Air conditioning.

*I wanted to see how far the rabbit hole went to I sent the mailing address and here is the email I got from "ebay"

Congratulations - You Are Approved To Buy! Your invoice for eBay Motors purchase 2000 Ford F-250 Lariat 4X4

Sent By:
"support payments vpp" -support.payments.vpp@gmail.com On: Sep 09/22/09 10:18 AM

On Behalf Of: "eBay Motors" -checkout@safe-payment-inc.com

The trick to catching these gimmicks right out of the gate is viewing the source. Regardless what the "name" is look at the sender or reply address. It doens't matter that it may say "Ebay or Paypal or safe and secure". Out to the side it will give you the reply info or source info. Ebay and Paypal communication will say @ebay/paypal.com.

BEWARE -NATASHA GAMMON- from Brooklyn, New York

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Just for your amusement, here is the real ad for that truck:

»cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI···iewitem=

$14,800.


cdtempe

@comcast.net
reply to Hwnsista
The guy I contacted was kind enough to explain the whole thing in detail (below). He has a different story. He sent me a CarFAX report & it checked out true (I ran one independently & it matched the pictures and his story...except the one I ran listed the car as currently in "a dealer inventory"). The "invoice" from "ebay motors" provided two options for payment: Western Union wire or "Harris Bank Account Transfer." Hmm, that's funny, ebay forbids both.

Here are his emails...

From: johnflakess@msn.com
Subject: RE: Honda 4 sale
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:31:08 -0800

Hi again,

I will attach the carfax report here. Right now the car is at the DAS (trucking company »www.dasautoshippers.com, who works with ebay motors) warehouse kept in a sealed container ready for delivery and since I am not at home right now a test drive it is not possible. However I do offer an inspection period prior buying the car if we close the deal trough ebay motors vehicle purchase protection program. Let me explain you how the ebay process works.
The process works something like this:

1. You send the requested amount to an ebay motors representative.
2. Ebay will confirm me that you have made the payment.
3. I will ship the car so you can Inspect, test and make a decision if you will keep it or not.
4. If you will not get EXACTLY the same car that you have viewed in my ad, and also a CLEAR title you will receive all your money back from ebay motors.
5. If everything is ok ebay motors will get the approval from you to release the funds to me.
All I want is from you is if you are agree so I can contact ebay and after that, they will contact you and explain, guide you all the steps of the transaction.

Thank you,

John Flakes
Lancaster, SC 29720

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:38:59 -0600
> From: johnflakess@msn.com
> Subject: Re: Honda 4 sale
>
> Hi there,
>
I wanted to let you know that my car is still available and it is located in Lancaster, SC. I had a buyer offering $2,750 but his loan didn't get approved. Why is the price so low? I am going trough a divorce, my financial problems that I have and with our economy imagine this..So I'm willing to let it go for ($2.300 + $400 shipping cost already paid) $2,700 and since I only have one, First come, First served. My 2003 Honda Accord EX looks like new with only 121,334 miles on board.
The car is in great condition inside, outside and mechanically. It will come with a clear title, bill of sale signed by me as well and all the papers (including the original manuals and keys) that you will need to register it under your name. Shipping is included in the final price ($400), as I explained, my buyer changed his mind after I have made the arrangements to ship the car. The trucking company would not refund me but can ship my car to anywhere within continental US (NOT Canada), so I've left it at their warehouse and it's ready to ship at anytime. I will wait your decision, also, for pics »s646.photobucket.com/albums/uu18···ence_bb/.
I can provide you the carfax report if you ask to prove mileage report and also that I am offer for selling.
>
> John Flakes
> Lancaster, SC 29720
>
> PS: Unfortunately I can't speak over the phone, I sell the car due some circumstances in my life. I had an accident and I am 95% deaf from an accident that damaged the nerves to my hearing. I go every day to do treatment here at a clinic. Don't worry the accident wasn't in the Honda.


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reply to Hwnsista
he simply paid for carfax like you did, and made a few "changes".

i'm always suspicious when a car for sale doesn't show pics of mileage and VIN

While DAS is in the business of shipping cars, i dont see much evidence, other than the front page (that was recently edited), that this company has anything to do with ebay. bbb has conflicting info as well. In any case, always be careful, your emails has all the warning signs.


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reply to Mr Owe
said by Mr Owe :

It would seem as though these scams are a dime a dozen. Here is a convo I had with a "girl in new york" about buying a pickup truck.

*I wanted to see how far the rabbit hole went to I sent the mailing address and here is the email I got from "ebay"

Congratulations - You Are Approved To Buy! Your invoice for eBay Motors purchase 2000 Ford F-250 Lariat 4X4

The trick to catching these gimmicks right out of the gate is viewing the source. Regardless what the "name" is look at the sender or reply address. It doens't matter that it may say "Ebay or Paypal or safe and secure". Out to the side it will give you the reply info or source info. Ebay and Paypal communication will say @ebay/paypal.com.

The trick to stopping these scams dead in their tracks is asking where the ad is to buy the vehicle through eBay here »www.motors.ebay.com/ using your eBay Account. Bam! That's it. They can't provide a valid link to an ad on eBay Motors. Everyone is already "Approved To Buy" if they have an eBay Account.

No one is looking at eBay' Motors Web Site and reading the facts. eBay forbids buying "outside" of eBay, which seems to elude the people that do get scammed and those that eventually figure out it is a scam. If you don't see the vehicle in an ad at »www.motors.ebay.com/ then it is a scam, 100% guaranteed! ~ No money back, no VPP ~ Say bye bye to your money forever the minute you leave Western Union's or Money Gram's building and tell the scammer seller that you have sent their ill gotten gains your purchase money.
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GM

@hrec.coop
reply to Hwnsista

RV Scam

Here is another one for a 2004 Holiday Ramble Endeavor which should sell for $125K. IF IT IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.....
Hey again,

If you have other questions regarding the RV please email me all your questions and I will be happy to help you in any way , I prefer to discuss this transaction by email

Here's how this deal works out.
I'll have the RV and all documents (including clear title) shipped to you, at my expense, through DAS . I confirm that you'll also have a 5 days inspection period before making your decision. For the financial part of this transaction we'll go through eBay's motors purchase protection program. They will send you the invoice containing more details about our transaction, including payment details. You will have to send the money through bank wire transfer to an account managed by one of their transaction officers. After they secure your payment I will start shipping. The RV will arrive in no more than 7 days depending on your location. The money is going to be kept secured in an eBay bank account until the inspection period is over. If you find any problems, that I've failed to mention, you will get your money back, in full, no questions asked.
If you agree with these terms and you have the funds available,confirm and I will have eBay contact you with more details. To move to the step I need your Shipping address


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Did you see what they would do/how they would respond when asked where their Ad/Auction Page at eBay Motors was located (aka the Ad/Auction link) so that you could start the purchase by using your eBay Account to make the Buy It Now Purchase and be covered under VPP which is only for purchases made at/through the »www.motors.ebay.com/ web site? That would stop them dead in their tracks as no legitimate eBay Motors Invoice can be generated without your clicking a Buy it Now Ad/Auction on a eBay Motors web page. The rest is all misdirection and BS from the scammer.
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reply to Hwnsista

Re: [Scam] Ebay Motors Scam

i wonder if DAS is being exploited in some way or are they in on the whole scheme


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said by pcdebb:

i wonder if DAS is being exploited in some way or are they in on the whole scheme
Tell me what you think after reading this:

I Found This Great Used Car Online!
»www.dasautoshippers.com/Default.···abid=343
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not2bscammed

@frontiernet.net
reply to Hwnsista
I too have received an eerily similar email from someone stating that if I tell them I am interested that they will notify ebay so one of their representatives can contact me. The conversation is nearly verbatim to what I have read in other posts. The original ad was posted through a website in Utah KSL.com Here is a copy of my email from "her":

My car is still available. Acura only 32,100 original miles on board, it is located in Windsor, CT, you should know that it has never been wrecked or damaged, the car is in excellent condition. Non-smoker. The inside is clean, like new. Runs great, very smooth, meticulously maintained. To have a finish like this, it is obvious that this vehicle has been garaged. All the manuals, clear title and the original documentation come along with the car. I love this car but I have to let it go. It will come with a clear title, bill of sale signed by me as well and all the papers (including the original manuals and keys) that you will need to register it under your name. I had a buyer offering $3,300 but his loan didn't get approved. Why is the price so low? I am going trough a divorce, my financial and medical problems that I have and with our economy imagine this. So I'm willing to let it go for ($2,800 + $200 shipping cost already paid) $3,000 and since I only have one, First come, First served.The vin # is: 19UUA66275A049449 I guarantee that you will be more than 101% satisfied to own my car.I will wait to contact me ASAP, I need to know if you are really serious to become the owner.Right now the car is at the DAS (trucking company) warehouse kept in a sealed container ready for delivery and since I am not at home right now a test drive it is not possible. However I do offer an inspection period prior buying the car if we close the deal trough ebay motors vehicle purchase protection program.The car will be insured during transportation and it will be delivered at your address in maximum 1-2 business days (depends of your location). Along with the car you will receive a bill of sale in your name and signed by me and the title of the car. All I want is from you is if you are agree so I can contact ebay and after that, they will contact you and explain, guide you all the steps of the transaction and insurance.


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said by not2bscammed :

I too have received an eerily similar email from someone stating that if I tell them I am interested that they will notify ebay so one of their representatives can contact me.

[snip]

All I want is from you is if you are agree so I can contact ebay and after that, they will contact you and explain, guide you all the steps of the transaction and insurance.
That is the scam as there is no ad/no auction page or link to one at eBay Motors. End of scam attempt right there.

The process is explained at eBay Motors regarding vehicle purchases plus how VPP (Vehicle Purchase Protection) is only available when buying at eBay Motors and no where else. You (the Buyer) have to initiate the purchase by selecting the vehicle's eBay Motors auction page using your eBay Account and then selecting "Buy It Now" at eBay. Otherwise it is 100% fake/false aka a real scam. You cannot initiate or start a eBay VPP covered transaction using email.
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dc_killz

@ckt.net
reply to Hwnsista
I had this same thing happen to me.............. The fake name she used was Kimberly Walker..... also in the military...... I reported this scam to the FBI computer crimes unit.......... here is the link »www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx if enough of us complain maybe they will catch these crooks.... my email is dc_killz@yahoo.com if anyone wants to email me about it..

Regards,
Derek Coates


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reply to not2bscammed
said by not2bscammed :

I too have received an eerily similar email from someone stating that if I tell them I am interested that they will notify ebay so one of their representatives can contact me. The conversation is nearly verbatim to what I have read in other posts. The original ad was posted through a website in Utah KSL.com Here is a copy of my email from "her":

My car is still available. Acura only 32,100 original miles on board, it is located in Windsor, CT, you should know that it has never been wrecked or damaged, the car is in excellent condition. Non-smoker. The inside is clean, like new. Runs great, very smooth, meticulously maintained. To have a finish like this, it is obvious that this vehicle has been garaged. All the manuals, clear title and the original documentation come along with the car. I love this car but I have to let it go. It will come with a clear title, bill of sale signed by me as well and all the papers (including the original manuals and keys) that you will need to register it under your name. I had a buyer offering $3,300 but his loan didn't get approved. Why is the price so low? I am going trough a divorce, my financial and medical problems that I have and with our economy imagine this. So I'm willing to let it go for ($2,800 + $200 shipping cost already paid) $3,000 and since I only have one, First come, First served.The vin # is: 19UUA66275A049449 I guarantee that you will be more than 101% satisfied to own my car.I will wait to contact me ASAP, I need to know if you are really serious to become the owner.Right now the car is at the DAS (trucking company) warehouse kept in a sealed container ready for delivery and since I am not at home right now a test drive it is not possible. However I do offer an inspection period prior buying the car if we close the deal trough ebay motors vehicle purchase protection program.The car will be insured during transportation and it will be delivered at your address in maximum 1-2 business days (depends of your location). Along with the car you will receive a bill of sale in your name and signed by me and the title of the car. All I want is from you is if you are agree so I can contact ebay and after that, they will contact you and explain, guide you all the steps of the transaction and insurance.
I love the little things in their sales pitch that makes me laugh. "101% satisfied". Really? why not just the 100% or 110% or something? I didn't find any dirty hits on the vin

as far as DAS, I guess it's easy to exploit them, being they are a shipper of legit cars being sold on ebay. a person trying to verify if they are a real shipper will find that they really are, but not for the nefarious reasons in these fake ads.
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Jdiva

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Orange, NJ
reply to Mr Owe
Look up Ebays Motor Vehicle Protection Program (by Jdiva) in the forums. I just posted it and can't duplicate...plz let me know what I should do.
Thx


Mike200015

@rogers.com
reply to Hwnsista
I found a good car deal on AutoTrader, and got a similar email about moving overseas to the U.K. and the car is being held by eBay in their warehouse. I am not sure 100% if it is a scam, but looks very similar to the ones I've been reading here. What do you guys think of this?

Email is as follows:
"
If you are interested in it you should know that it has never been wrecked or damaged, the car is in excellent condition. To get more photos and description please access this URL »www.pixagogo.com/... . The total price that I’m asking including shipping and insurance fees will be $2,500.00CDN. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I moved to England, United Kingdom due to my work, where European specs are different from the Canadian ones and it costs me too much driving it legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that’s why I am selling so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in Canada. If you are still interested please let me know and i will provide you more information about the payment and shipping. "

And the follow-up email was:

"The current location of the vehicle is British Columbia, Canada under ebay's custody ready to be delivered to the buyer!I have a verry easy way of making the exchange i will explain everything:
Ebay is supervising the entire sale process from payment, transportation with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed, no extra costs here) and refunding. The car is in their warehouse in Vancouver, B.C. ready for delivery. I can provide free transportation to any location in Canada in maximum 4 days! Before that you have to make the payment up front to ebay the full amount. You will also receive all the documents, title with my signature on the back for a quick ownership exchange, all manuals and 3 sets of keys. If you are really interested in this deal I need the following details from you: full name, address for delivery, phone number.
Once i get the details from you I will forward them to ebay and they will proceed the order. Ebay will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller."

I am really suspicious of this, but cannot be sure.

Mike


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It's a scam, for sure.

The reference to eBay is pretty clear evidence of this. It is clear eBay policy, that everything in the sale be done through the eBay site, and not privately. So this is a scammer trying to make it sound as if eBay is involved, when there is no actual eBay involvement.
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said by Mike200015 :

I found a good car deal on AutoTrader, and got a similar email about moving overseas to the U.K. and the car is being held by eBay in their warehouse. I am not sure 100% if it is a scam, but looks very similar to the ones I've been reading here. What do you guys think of this?

Email is as follows:
"
Once i get the details from you I will forward them to ebay and they will proceed the order. Ebay will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller."

I am really suspicious of this, but cannot be sure.
It is 100% a SCAM.

1] Ebay does *not* have a warehouse that they store vehicles in for sellers or buyers aka customers.

2] For eBay to be involved in the sale part, you *must* have a eBay Account and you must select then purchase the vehicle from one of the listings at »www.motors.ebay.com and no where else. You do not give your private information direct to a stranger claiming to be a seller, you place your buy order through the eBay Motors web site using either an auction, Buy It Now, or Best Offer and they then notify the owner that you have purchased the vehicle. eBay then gives all your info that is required for the seller to contact you and make arraignments.

3] eBay tells you to *NEVER* pay with Western Union or Money Gram. Neither of those offer any form of escrow, the money is GONE as soon as it is picked up and you have no recourse.

4] All official email through eBay or from eBay will also be seen in your eBay Mailbox/Messages when you sign into eBay under your eBay account.

Read up on eBay as they tell you what is required and what is a scam.

»www.motors.ebay.con/

eBay Motors > Buy > Vehicle Purchase Protection
»pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/buy/pu···tection/
quote:
Eligibility Requirements

Participation in the VPP program is subject to the following eligibility requirements:

You have successfully completed the purchase of a vehicle* priced at more than $100 from one of the following categories on the eBay Site:


[snip eBay catagories]

Note:
* You will be deemed to have successfully completed the purchase if you receive confirmation in your "My eBay" that you have successfully won, or purchased, an item through an auction, Buy It Now, or Best Offer.
Craigslist Scams and Fraudulent Use of Vehicle Purchase Protection
»forums.ebay.com/db1/topic/Ebay-M···10078002

Also read: »[Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)
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Saw a very similar scam to this on ebay selling a lawn tractor!


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I saw this forum and I couldn't resist posting, since I was so close to getting caught up in this scam. I came across three different scams involving cars within a week - three!

Two of them used the exact same format. Which makes me think there must a number of formats scammers use, but these two happened to use the same one. Those two were the 'single woman who just got a job as a dealer on a cruise ship' format. The third one was 'recently divorced woman who is moving closer to parents and therefore must sell the car'.

Like I said, I wanted to put my two cents in, so here it goes: if the ad you see shows the car in a different area then what the seller tells you in their email, that should be the first and last sign you need.

I know there are other signs too, but some of those could be mere coincidence. But there is no excuse for the ad showing the car on one side of the world, while the seller tells you in their email that it is on the other side.

That happened to me all three times, and by the third time, I definitely realized the importance of location. Shouldn't they keep their story straight? But they can't, because that's not even their ad. They find a random ad on the internet and try to base their story around it. But the problem is, they can't easily get around the location difference. So they throw the whole 'it's ready to be shipped at a warehouse in [insert random area here]' spiel. And do we ever bother asking why the location changed from the original ad? I know I didn't. But I should have.

Anyway, I just hope no one falls prey to this scam. When something is too good to be true, it probably is. Word to the wise


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Watch out for this one jessica_elliott112@comcast.net

Hello there ,

First of all here are some details you may want to look over :

Price : $ 2,930
This car is in excellent working conditions, no  scratches.
flaws or any kind of damage, slightly used in 100% working and looking conditions
VIN:      1N4AL11D32C170282
Mileage:     88,200 miles
2002 NISSAN ALTIMA LEATHER SUNROOF ALLOY WHLS NEW TIRES
Power Windows    Air Conditioning    AM/FM Radio
CD    Power Steering    Cruise Control
Power Door Locks    Leather          
Power seat
Power Seat Driver                    
Air bag
Dual Air Bags
MORE pictures can be found at : »img694.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=78723743.jpg

I'm glad to see your interest in purchasing my car.(2002 Nissan Altima 2.5 SL - price : $ 2,930 )
What can I tell you in a few words is that I am an individual seller, I am not a dealer and this is my first type of posting

usinging Craigslist. The car that I have for selling is mine , it is personal property and I am going to sell it because I was

promoted to my work and in the same time they gave me a new car for work and moving for my needs. In conclusion, I don't need two

good cars for the moment and I decided, after a discussion with my husband (sometimes is very difficult to be persuasive, you know

what I mean) about selling my car, because it is sensles to keep the car only to occupy the garage.
The final price that I want for this car is $ 2,930 , so let me know if you are interested so i can provide more details.

As for payment : I have a contract with eBay so this deal must go through them .According with  eBay you have 5 days
from the time you receive the car to inspect it and decide if you want to keep it or not, in this time ebay will escrow the money
to their own account.You will probably think that this is little risky , and I understand your concern ,I thinked like this when I

did deals in the past.
But after I give it a try I never got problems and i was sure that the method was the safest, fastest and fairest method to deal
over internet .I also understand that you can't trust in some one or a some method of transaction until you make one or 2 deals. I
put myself in your place and by the situation that you receive the merchandise before the seller receive the money is an excellent
method that assures your money( the buyers money).

The reason i want to make it this way is that i just relocated in Manhattan,New York ,and i have the car here with me ready to be

shipped.

So here is how it will work:

1.First of all I will need  the following details from you:

- Full Name
- Full Shipping Address

2. After I will receive the details from you, I will forward them to eBay.
3. After they will process your info, they will send us both invoices. The invoice will send you the details on how to make a
refundable payment.
4. eBay will contact me and I will ship the car to you. After you receive the car you will have 5 days to test, verify and do
whatever you need to the car.
5. If you will decide that you will not buy the car,  eBay will refund the money and I will have the shipping company come pick up
my car.

Have A Great Day.
Jessica

I have found the listing on craigslist multiple times in states that aren't even close to new york, and I'm almost 100% sure it's a scam so watch out. It use the same general things, eBay motors, car descriptions, shipping the car, but an admittedly more believable story so watch out. Just though I would post the email address and "story" that "she" gave me so that one of these immoral, and terrible people do not steal hard earned money from someone, especially a young person like me who, worked during high school to earn their money through minimum wage, which would be terrible.