Re: Switching in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22050826 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:01:33 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:01:33 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22057282 hottboiinnc : Their 1 rebate would only pay for 1 full month of service. That doesn't count when I'd end up paying $40+ extra per month for the same services.

Especially when you go to the ATT website and do a speedtest and it claims i get almost 5megs less download than what I pay for and claim its true? But when i do a speedtest everywhere else its always the correct speed that I pay for.

ATT full of shit and the rebates only make it look good, which its not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22057282 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:53:57 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22057277 hottboiinnc : how do you figure they don't require PPPOE Their Modems still require you to login using the same technology as their aDSL. That is PPPOE. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22057277 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:52:31 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22056380 Neyland : I think rebates do count.

The way I do it is figure out what size service window I'm looking at.. 1 year 2 years.. add up the complete cost for that period of time (including rebates, equipment fees, and taxes) and divide by the number of months. To me, that's my true monthly payment.

When you're talking rebates, shorter time frames obviously equate to lower monthly payments. If you have to purchase equipment longer service commitments tend to be cheaper.

I typically shop my service every 1.5 - 2 years. With a central wiring closet, switching service providers is really a 30 min process. I have my own external mail servers and I use OpenDNS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22056380 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:37:48 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22055633 en102 : Yet profiles are still 'interleaved' vs fastpath.
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22055633 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:37:23 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22054216 d_l : U-Verse has no PPPoE, no ATM, so that argument is out the window. Obviously you don't know enough about U-Verse to be making comparisons.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22054216 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:03:07 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053439 Austinloop : After looking at my phone bill with AT&T, I only see state and federal taxes. There was, at one time a universal service charge on DSL, but that has been deleted. I see no other fees. What fees are you talking about. I don't understand your saying that AT&T was privatized. AT&T has always been a public company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053439 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:49:13 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053258 Metatron2008 : I don't have a link at the moment but you should be able to get one from someone on hand. The dsl fees+ alot of telephone fees were given back to the telcos to build better networks. This was done after the privatization of At&t and was an agreement between At&t and the FCC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053258 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:18:14 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053225 Austinloop : please provide a link for this. This is the first that I had heard that fees for dsl were given back to the telcos. Who were the fees for the telco given to to begin with?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053225 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:10:10 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053185 Metatron2008 : The fees for dsl were given back to the telcos and were SUPPOSED to be used to make fiber to the home.

The only one that really attempted and didn't pocket the money was Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22053185 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:01:09 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052947 hottboiinnc : the deals ATT wants to offer are the same ones that they offer everyone online and by mail. if they can't do anything better then they need to give up and pack up.

They may give the DVRs to customers for $7 per month but that doesnt stop them from raising the rates for a 3rd time yet this year here. They raised the rates when they first offered TV in my neighborhood, 3 weeks later they raised them again...and then again sometime within the last few weeks they did it again to the $7 PER BOX!

Plus on your DSL you have overhead due to the PPPOE i don't have that with cable. I always hit my 11.9+ for download and 998k upload

And the $200 rebate check they can keep that. I don't fall for their rebates. yah your no commitment means they raise their rates when they want and when they please. My cable provider hasn't raised rates in YEARS, yes read YEARS. the last known cable rate in my town was at least 5+ years ago. And they still keep offering more channels and faster internet. Did i mention my local cable company doesn't wholesale my data and phone records to the NSA.

and the keyword is "lower YOUR BILL" i don't have anything with them and don't care to at this point. My roommate pays $15 per month for our alarm line -- metered billing on it--free incoming calls. and the $15 includes taxes and ATT's bullshit "fees".

But like i said before---if ATT can't compete with what i have instead of using lame lies like "if you don't switch to U-Verse by Feb 17th, your cable service won't work because it's not all digital like ours" well Feb. 17th has come and gone and my TV works like it did back when i signed up in August.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052947 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:14:29 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052851 OSUGoose : neither of you are correct:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-verse

vs

»www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/282251

knowledge is power!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052851 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:01:31 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052819 Austinloop : My bad, Lightspeed was used with respect to U-Verse at one time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052819 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:56:49 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052750 kdepasquale : I think you're referring to project pronto]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052750 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:48:18 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052209 Austinloop : jade, please explain why it is a waste of our tax dollar, I believe that it was AT&T's funds that deployed both Lightspeed and U-Verse. How can it be a waste of your money if you don't order the service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052209 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:23:39 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052190 Austinloop : Project Lightspeed was the project several years ago to place RT's to provide DSL service, I believe around the early 2000's. Lightspeed has nothing to do with U-Verse, don't even use the same technology to provide the service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052190 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:21:10 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22052131 en102 : For me, its bottom line, and Uverse (+ Call Vantage in your case) pretty much matches what I pay to TWC:

Your effective $66/month + $25 for CV
Is about the same as my $89 for TV/HSI/VoIP ($99 with taxes).
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I've used practically all the carriers here in SoCal.

- T-Mobile - VERY good GSM service, coverage could be better
- Sprint - Good CDMA coverage, poor CS
- Nextel iDEN - Reliable as a brick... works like it as well
- VZW - I haven't used in years due to billing issues. Great reliability, and works well if you like a walled garden
- AT&T - great coverage on GSM, very reliable. 3G network was not reliable until last Xmas (no 3G 850... not enough capacity deployed).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051988 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:44:22 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051979 jadebangle :
said by megatron266 See Profile :

I think I heard somewhere that they are slowing down in deployment and focusing on marketing to those areas that have it. I've been waiting for it for a while now. They called it project lightspeed. I think this is a little less than lightspeed. LOL
Its prety crappy for fiber deployment
What a waste of our tax dollar
What a waste of your money
What a waste of technology that could have used to give you 100mbps! instead deliver only a fraction of it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051979 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:43:33 EDT Don't do business with ATT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051880 jadebangle : T-MOBILE or Sprint are better at cellphone

ATT Blows :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051880 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:28:36 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051660 djrobx : U-verse TV is not a good choice for people who are happy just splitting some analog channels directly to their TVs, especially if there's several TVs.

The U-verse price includes a 4 tuner DVR, and $7 per month for additional TVs that an acccess the DVR. When you get into multiple DVRs many cable companies really stick it to you in fees. Time Warner here charges quite a bit for even the first DVR and over $20 per month for a second one.

You can also get good deals out of AT&T if you work at it. I was paying $99 per month for 6 months for Max 10/1 internet plus U300, after getting a $200 rebate check. So for my first 6 months that worked out to $66 per month for nearly the best service they had to offer, with no commitment. To get the deal all I did was politely ask if there was anyting they could do to lower the bill, and they came back with $50 per month in discounts. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051660 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:49:29 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051232 hottboiinnc : lol. very true. yah they've been saying that. It was a story on here as far as slowing down but ATT really hasnt said anything officially as far as i can find. But their service here is much more than what you'd pay with cable. U-Verse doesn't have a very high take rate compared to what cable is in many areas. Especially if you don't want digital cable and only pay $50 per month for your 75 channels (like me) and just pay for Internet of 12/1 and pay a total of $120 per month. (internet is 69.99 per month). ATT wants $69 for ~200 channels. Many of their "channels are account questions and help channels--they also count music as being a TV channel. then add the now $7 PER BOX after your first one. and then add at base rate $25 for 1.5/1meg internet. To get anywhere close to what I have now just to watch the same TV channels id be paying up words $140 per month before taxes just in TV and Internet.

That's just to get Discovery Health and some other channels Buckeye Cable puts on analog cable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051232 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:36:23 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051125 megatron266 : I think I heard somewhere that they are slowing down in deployment and focusing on marketing to those areas that have it. I've been waiting for it for a while now. They called it project lightspeed. I think this is a little less than lightspeed. LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22051125 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:15:45 EDT Re: Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22050826 hottboiinnc : don't count U-Verse being there in 2 years. They've been working on it here in Toledo since they announced the shitty service was coming out to the public. They just NOW started selling it. After 3+ years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22050826 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:23:05 EDT Switching http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22050749 Neyland : I'm switching to Comcast next Friday. ATT/Bellsouth has provided the same max 3mb DSL in my area with the only possibility of upgrade when U-Verse makes it's way in the next two years.

Over a two year time, same price... twice the DL, three times the upload bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22050749 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:15 EDT