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TKJunkMail
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 I see an AT&T lawsuit coming very soon

The phones run on GSM networks including AT&T's and T-Mobile's. But Zer01 isn't buying time wholesale from AT&T and T-Mobile, Piilani said. Instead, they have purchased their own IP backbone and are using interconnect (AKA roaming) agreements, the way Verizon and Sprint phones work on each other's networks.

By using interconnect agreements, Zer01 can get around the carriers' 5GB/month data caps and offer truly unlimited data, Piilani said.
I just don't see AT&T sitting still for this company's customers running unlimited data over the AT&T network and the company paying minimal fees to AT&T. I see a lengthy lawsuit in their immediate future.
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elias
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I just don't see AT&T sitting still for this company's customers running unlimited data over the AT&T network and the company paying minimal fees to AT&T. I see a lengthy lawsuit in their immediate future.
RTFA...

said by »www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2342994,00.asp :

The phones run on GSM networks including AT&T's and T-Mobile's. But Zer01 isn't buying time wholesale from AT&T and T-Mobile, Piilani said. Instead, they have purchased their own IP backbone and are using interconnect (AKA roaming) agreements, the way Verizon and Sprint phones work on each other's networks. Each device on the Zer01 network gets a fixed IP address and opens a VPN tunnel to the company's servers, Piilani said.

"It's our own VPN, and we're actually providing the data the customer is using," Piilani said.

By using interconnect agreements, Zer01 can get around the carriers' 5GB/month data caps and offer truly unlimited data, Piilani said. The company's system does some traffic management to make sure that heavy users don't overload a local cellular system.

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TKJunkMail
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said by elias See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I just don't see AT&T sitting still for this company's customers running unlimited data over the AT&T network and the company paying minimal fees to AT&T. I see a lengthy lawsuit in their immediate future.
RTFA...

said by »www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2342994,00.asp :

The phones run on GSM networks including AT&T's and T-Mobile's. But Zer01 isn't buying time wholesale from AT&T and T-Mobile, Piilani said. Instead, they have purchased their own IP backbone and are using interconnect (AKA roaming) agreements, the way Verizon and Sprint phones work on each other's networks. Each device on the Zer01 network gets a fixed IP address and opens a VPN tunnel to the company's servers, Piilani said.

"It's our own VPN, and we're actually providing the data the customer is using," Piilani said.

By using interconnect agreements, Zer01 can get around the carriers' 5GB/month data caps and offer truly unlimited data, Piilani said. The company's system does some traffic management to make sure that heavy users don't overload a local cellular system.
I read the article wise guy. But maybe you don't understand how AT&T will respond. The method that Zer01 is using results in less income and higher costs to AT&T. Some companies tried to use interconnect agreements once before for those free conference calls and used the revenue splits to stiff AT&T. It was within the regulations, but AT&T and other carriers just shut them down anyway.

»gigaom.com/2007/02/07/atts-free-···million/
»gigaom.com/2007/03/15/cingular-q···e-calls/

So, I don't expect AT&T to sit by idly without doing something to cripple it or get more money out of it.
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elias
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The links you posted relate to call termination fraud. Call termination fraud doesn't require a relationship before the fact, the telco just sends a nice bill for call termination.

I would imagine these Zer01 people aren't doing this under AT&T's nose, especially since they went through the process of becoming an MVNO under them.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The phones run on GSM networks including AT&T's and T-Mobile's. But Zer01 isn't buying time wholesale from AT&T and T-Mobile, Piilani said. Instead, they have purchased their own IP backbone and are using interconnect (AKA roaming) agreements, the way Verizon and Sprint phones work on each other's networks.

By using interconnect agreements, Zer01 can get around the carriers' 5GB/month data caps and offer truly unlimited data, Piilani said.
I just don't see AT&T sitting still for this company's customers running unlimited data over the AT&T network and the company paying minimal fees to AT&T. I see a lengthy lawsuit in their immediate future.
They are probably paying by-the-byte, so why should AT&T care?
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bender
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yea that case that AT&T made back in the day is different than this one.

mobbo

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reply to TKJunkMail
Maybe they are doing like what "unlimited" webhosts do... buy a big block of transfer and gamble on the fact that most people will only use a small amount and cancel out the big/power users. If this company pays by the byte or has purchased a large block of data usage, ya they'll be screwed if the only people who sign up are power users, but if they get a balance of casual users and power users, I can see this being beneficial to all parties.

Dunno, just a thought.


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reply to TKJunkMail
I read the article wise guy. But maybe you don't understand how AT&T will respond. The method that Zer01 is using results in less income and higher costs to AT&T. Some companies tried to use interconnect agreements once before for those free conference calls and used the revenue splits to stiff AT&T. It was within the regulations, but AT&T and other carriers just shut them down anyway.
I'm getting the feeling you just don't understand. This isn't some shady deal, they've set themselves up as a MVNO, they have clearly expressed their intentions. Whether it will work is debatable, whether it is legal isn't.
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