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2 edits | [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian No arrest at the scene so hopefully, pending blood test results, he was clean and it was truly a tragic accident.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian said by Assault  :So he must've had 4 lite beers instead of 3 he had to be totally wasted! Right-- he wasn't trashed. You think that's going to matter?
He was over the legal limit while driving a car, and hit and killed a pedestrian.
He's in deep shit-- even if the pedestrian was crossing the road illegally, which he probably was.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian said by pro7070 :He's probably looking at 3-5 years. Why? The girl was crossing the street where she shouldn't have been. | |
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Detective Juan Sanchez, a spokesman for the Miami Beach police, would not confirm the results of the toxicology report.
"That has not been released or confirmed by us," Sanchez said by phone. "They went with that story without confirming it with us." Sanchez added that although results of Stallworth's blood test are due Friday, "we will not be releasing those results until we make an arrest."
WSVN also reported that police and Stallworth's lawyer, Robert Switke, are negotiating the terms of his surrender. Switke, reached by the Herald Thursday, said of the test results, "I have not seen them, and I have no comment."
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| Craig McTavish of the NHL spent a year in prison due to the exact same thing when he played in Boston.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian A high school acquaintance of mine sister got 5 years for pulling out in front of speeding motorcycle. The motorcycle was going about 75 mph but she blew .10 or something. She had 2 young kids at the time. This was about 10 years ago. Of course they weren't rich and couldn't afford a big time lawyer.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian To be fair, there has been a huge change in attitude considering drunk driving over the past 25 years. When McTavish was sentenced in 1983, his actions would have been considered an unfortunate accident. Today, drunk driving causing death is practically considered pre-meditated, which it should be.
Mind you StallworÞh will have high priced lawyers, so I'm guessing he'll end up with something like 3 years.
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| I want him dead period. He commited cold blooded murder.
If he gets off, then the system owes Vick an apology and a large sum of cash.
Because that would mean we place a higher value on dogs vs humans.
Failing him getting executed, he should get locked up for 10 years, and never given a liscense to drive.
But I understand the blleding hearts out there and the dog lovers will all cry out in out rage and sob for him saying "oh its his first time, everyone is entitled to 1 mistake"
etc etc etc.
I say send a message and kill him or lock him up for life.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian IMO, he knew he had to drive, he knew he was going to drink.
Just like if I were to pick up a firearm and I knew it was loaded when I put it to my kids head and pulled the trigger and killed him.
Both acts are the same IMO.
A driver is responsible for controling the vehicle at all times. I know accidents occur, hence that is way we need less distractions while we are driving [drivers on a cell phone have cause more then a few accidents].
Maybe if he was sober he'd have a better defence, but being drunk takes away all defence he had.
Besides that, what would have happened if that had been you or me driving drunk and killing someone?
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian It is also murder to walk into a school, mall, place of business/worship and start shooting random people.
Just a different flavor.
In this case I'll take the line of agreeing to disagree with you on this.
Bottom line is:
1]Person stepped out in the street when the shouldn't have.
2]Stallworth was drunk.
3]He hit her.
*Any ideas as to where in the street she was? Was she at the the curb when he hit her or towards the middle?
What was the lighting like, dark, gloomy, bright?]
4]Neither was paying attention to the other. If they had been, maybe this accident could have been avoided. [how long was the skid mark if any, as anti-locks tend to leave little evidence, so I have heard].
There are manny ways in which this can be spun.
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1 edit | Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian said by Snakeoil :*Any ideas as to where in the street she was? Was she at the the curb when he hit her or towards the middle? What was the lighting like, dark, gloomy, bright?] I don't think those details are known, or will be known, until the police complete their investigation and things go to trial. There's a wide range of possibilities in what might have happened.
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| said by Snakeoil :IMO, he knew he had to drive, he knew he was going to drink. Just like if I were to pick up a firearm and I knew it was loaded when I put it to my kids head and pulled the trigger and killed him. Both acts are the same IMO. Then you have an extremely warped notion of what constitutes an 'equal offense'; what equals "the same".
. . what would have happened if that had been you or me driving drunk and killing someone? We wouldn't be charged with first-degree murder ("cold-blooded") or on death row awaiting execution, that's for sure.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian Hopefully you'll never have a drunk kill someone in your family.
But then when he does, remember its not murder and we should have pity on him and understand why he mowed down your family member.
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| said by Snakeoil :Both acts are the same IMO. And this is why you dont understand the definition of murder. | |
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian So according to you, I can go out get drink and race thru downtowb. Anyone I hit would be a oopsie and not an act of murder.
Coolness, I'll do this next friday, but tell me where you live so its a family member of yours that I run down. That why I know you'll have compassion and understanding and will stand in my defence and plead for the law to slap my wrist.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian nah, I wouldn't really do that. But having known a person whose family was a victim of a drunk murder, I feel that the drunks who murder should die.
How many DUIs does it take to lock up a drunk? How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone.
But yet we are supposed to have compassion for ass hats that drunk drunk and kill someone?
BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them.
The drunk murder saying "sorry" to the greiving family helps alot, I'm sure. The family will be so over whelmed with joy at the apoloy they would find forgiveness in their hearts for the one that killed a family member.
Geesh what kind of world do you care bears live in any how?
Me, I say kill him. Why? It could have been an accident if his was sober, but by being drunk, he had impaired judgment and control of his vehicle.
No mercy. Just strap him down and end him.
If I had done that, I would hope they would do the same with me.
But I know stars and athelets get a free pass and the fans will always kiss their ass.
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian We don't know who was at fault, and how much, until the investigation is completed and the results are released (at trial or earlier). So assessing equal blame is just guessing. We don't know if Stallworth aggressively tried to avoid the pedestrian, or if he paid no attention and just mowed him down, or something more complicated in between those 2 extremes.
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| It's possible that he may eventually be charged with DUI, as opposed to DUI manslaughter. There's some educated speculation regarding that from Mike Florio who's a lawyer as well as founder of profootballtalk.com.
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As we now understand it, the significant potential difference was/is that prosecutors could ultimately decide not to charge Stallworth with DUI manslaughter, but to charge him only with DUI.
The key here is the precise language of Section 316.193(3)(c)(3)(b) of the Florida Statutes. A person who is driving while drunk doesn’t commit DUI manslaughter simply by driving drunk and being involved in an accident resulting in another person’s death. To be liable for DUI manslaughter, the drunk driver also must have caused or contributed to the causation of the incident.
The DUI laws impose strict liability on the driver. Even if the driver is not actually impaired, he’s deemed to be intoxicated as a matter of law if his blood alcohol concentration exceeds the legal limit.
For DUI manslaughter in Florida, there’s no strict liability. The prosecution must prove — beyond a reasonable doubt — that the driver caused or contributed to the causation of the collison.
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1 edit | I dont care how much money he has. He IS going to jail. Mothers against drunk drivers will make sure of that. What he will be bargaining for is county prison time and not state prison time. In county prison he can spend a lot of his term on work release. State time wont allow for that and would probably result in around a mandatory 5 years or so with eligable for parole after around 3.5 years. HE IS ABOUT TO SPEND A GOOD CHUNK OF HIS LIFE BEHIND BARS. Pulling blood at the scene really put the screws to him and was some dam good police work. | |
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian said by rody_44 : I dont care how much money he has. He IS going to jail. Mothers against drunk drivers will make sure of that. What he will be bargaining for is county prison time and not state prison time. In county prison he can spend a lot of his term on work release. State time wont allow for that and would probably result in around a mandatory 5 years or so with eligable for parole after around 3.5 years. HE IS ABOUT TO SPEND A GOOD CHUNK OF HIS LIFE BEHIND BARS. Pulling blood at the scene really put the screws to him and was some dam good police work. It was my understanding that it's a State law in Florida to take blood when there is a death involved. But I agree that's going to be a ass kicker for Stallworth. If he had been able to refuse to blow then it would have been a different case alltogether. | |
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| Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian i have a friend that got off on a dui manslaughter charge because they took him to the hospital to take blood. to much time was lost at the scene and they didnt draw the blood until 3 hours and 5 minutes later. after three hours the blood test cant count according to the law. even tho he was 15 he couldnt be charged with that. he pleaded guilty to homicide by motor vehicle and got 18 months. 6 months in and 12 months work release. dui manslaughter here is a minimum 5 year sentence which lands you in state prison and not county. if i remember correctly dui manslaughter was a minimum 5 years with parole after 3.5 years. that 3 hours passes fast when so much is involved with a death involved. | |
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MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth has agreed to plead guilty to a DUI manslaughter charge and would do some jail time for a Miami car crash in which a pedestrian was struck and killed, authorities said Monday.
Stallworth, 28, is scheduled to appear Tuesday in a Miami courtroom to enter the plea. If accepted by Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Dennis Murphy, Stallworth would serve a short jail sentence for the March 14 crash, followed by lengthy probation and numerous conditions, Terry Chavez, spokeswoman for the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office, told The Associated Press.
Miami Beach police said Stallworth was drinking at a bar in the swank Fountainebleu hotel. He left to go to a nearby home -- he owns three properties in the Miami area -- and then headed out in his black 2005 Bentley on MacArthur Causeway, which links the beach to downtown Miami.
Prosecutors say Stallworth hit 59-year-old Mario Reyes, a construction crane operator who was rushing to catch a bus after finishing his shift around 7:15 a.m. Stallworth told police he flashed his lights in an attempt to warn Reyes, who was not in a crosswalk when he was struck.
Chavez said Reyes' family has been pushing hard to resolve the case.
"We have been in intense negotiations for the past couple of days," Chavez said. "We always take the victim's wishes into account."
Stallworth had faced up to 15 years in prison on the DUI manslaughter charge, but the plea deal calls for far less time. Chavez would not provide details on the penalties, nor would Stallworth attorney Christopher Lyons.
"There is a plea agreement and it's going to be presented to the judge," Lyons said.
Stallworth had a blood-alcohol level of .126 after the crash, well above Florida's .08 limit. He had previously pleaded not guilty and Lyons initially pledged to mount a vigorous defense.
But Stallworth has also has cooperated with investigators and issued a statement shortly after the crash expressing sympathy for Reyes' family.
"He's shown remorse and taken responsibility from day one," Chavez said.
Stallworth stopped after the crash and immediately told officers he had hit Reyes. Police estimated Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.
Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Browns before last season but was injured much of the year. He also has played for New England, Philadelphia and New Orleans.
The National Football League has said it will review the matter for possible disciplinary action after the legal case is completed.
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MIAMI – Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte Stallworth pleaded guilty on Tuesday to manslaughter while driving under the influence of alcohol and was sentenced to 30 days in jail for the car crash that killed a pedestrian on Miami Beach.
The National Football League player's jail term will be followed by two years of house arrest and eight years' probation.
Stallworth might be allowed to play football during that time, if his community control officer and the NFL allow it, because people under house arrest are usually permitted to go to work or school, a spokeswoman for the Miami-Dade County state attorney's office said.
But he will need a lift to the stadium because his driver's license has been suspended for life. "He cannot drive ever again for any reason. That is what the (victim's) family wanted. The family urged us to do this," spokeswoman Terry Chavez said.
A judge also ordered Stallworth to pay $10,000 in fines and perform 1,000 hours of community service.
Why does this sound like a slap on the wrist?
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| Still he was Drunk Driving. This is pretty much a slap on the wrist. If he was sober I bet he would of not hit the man. If anyone of us normal Joes did this we would be in prison for Life. Total bullshit and once again we see how the system favors the rich.
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]Still he was Drunk Driving. This is pretty much a slap on the wrist. If he was sober I bet he would of not hit the man. If anyone of us normal Joes did this we would be in prison for Life. Total bullshit and once again we see how the system favors the rich.
You are 100% correct if he wasn't drunk he probably would not have hit him. A normal person would gotten years for it.
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| said by MuDvAyNe :Still he was Drunk Driving. This is pretty much a slap on the wrist. If he was sober I bet he would of not hit the man. If anyone of us normal Joes did this we would be in prison for Life. Total bullshit and once again we see how the system favors the rich. I agree. This is simply unbelievable. 30 days? I know peopel that got 30 days for writing bad checks, driving under suspension, possesion of drugs, but killing someone? Give me a fucking break. Money talks. | |
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