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Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian
Seriously? For making a mistake? The victim practically stepped out in front of him. |
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said by Snakeoil  :But I understand the blleding hearts out there and the dog lovers will all cry out in out rage and sob for him saying "oh its his first time, everyone is entitled to 1 mistake" Apparently you don't understand the definition of murder, or the concept of trials to establish guilt or innocence.
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| IMO, he knew he had to drive, he knew he was going to drink.
Just like if I were to pick up a firearm and I knew it was loaded when I put it to my kids head and pulled the trigger and killed him.
Both acts are the same IMO.
A driver is responsible for controling the vehicle at all times. I know accidents occur, hence that is way we need less distractions while we are driving [drivers on a cell phone have cause more then a few accidents].
Maybe if he was sober he'd have a better defence, but being drunk takes away all defence he had.
Besides that, what would have happened if that had been you or me driving drunk and killing someone?
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| So you're saying he picked out that guy, figured out his schedule, then showed up where and when he thought the guy would be crossing the street, and intentionally ran him over and killed him?
That's murder.
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| It is also murder to walk into a school, mall, place of business/worship and start shooting random people.
Just a different flavor.
In this case I'll take the line of agreeing to disagree with you on this.
Bottom line is:
1]Person stepped out in the street when the shouldn't have.
2]Stallworth was drunk.
3]He hit her.
*Any ideas as to where in the street she was? Was she at the the curb when he hit her or towards the middle?
What was the lighting like, dark, gloomy, bright?]
4]Neither was paying attention to the other. If they had been, maybe this accident could have been avoided. [how long was the skid mark if any, as anti-locks tend to leave little evidence, so I have heard].
There are manny ways in which this can be spun.
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1 edit | said by Snakeoil :*Any ideas as to where in the street she was? Was she at the the curb when he hit her or towards the middle? What was the lighting like, dark, gloomy, bright?] I don't think those details are known, or will be known, until the police complete their investigation and things go to trial. There's a wide range of possibilities in what might have happened.
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said by Snakeoil :IMO, he knew he had to drive, he knew he was going to drink. Just like if I were to pick up a firearm and I knew it was loaded when I put it to my kids head and pulled the trigger and killed him. Both acts are the same IMO. Then you have an extremely warped notion of what constitutes an 'equal offense'; what equals "the same".
. . what would have happened if that had been you or me driving drunk and killing someone? We wouldn't be charged with first-degree murder ("cold-blooded") or on death row awaiting execution, that's for sure.
Post rational thoughts much? |
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said by Snakeoil :Both acts are the same IMO. And this is why you dont understand the definition of murder. |
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Here my thoughts on this. The pedestrian and Stallworth are 50% each responsible. The pedestrian paid for his 50% mistake. Now it it is Stallworth turn to pay for the other 50% mistake. If Stallworth was not dwi his reaction time might have been quicker.
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| We don't know who was at fault, and how much, until the investigation is completed and the results are released (at trial or earlier). So assessing equal blame is just guessing. We don't know if Stallworth aggressively tried to avoid the pedestrian, or if he paid no attention and just mowed him down, or something more complicated in between those 2 extremes.
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So according to you, I can go out get drink and race thru downtowb. Anyone I hit would be a oopsie and not an act of murder.
Coolness, I'll do this next friday, but tell me where you live so its a family member of yours that I run down. That why I know you'll have compassion and understanding and will stand in my defence and plead for the law to slap my wrist.
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Hopefully you'll never have a drunk kill someone in your family.
But then when he does, remember its not murder and we should have pity on him and understand why he mowed down your family member.
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To recap so far:
You demonstrate an understanding of murder which has convinced absolutely no one reading this thread. When several members disagree with you about your definition of murder, you express a desire to run over a family member of one of them.
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| nah, I wouldn't really do that. But having known a person whose family was a victim of a drunk murder, I feel that the drunks who murder should die.
How many DUIs does it take to lock up a drunk? How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone.
But yet we are supposed to have compassion for ass hats that drunk drunk and kill someone?
BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them.
The drunk murder saying "sorry" to the greiving family helps alot, I'm sure. The family will be so over whelmed with joy at the apoloy they would find forgiveness in their hearts for the one that killed a family member.
Geesh what kind of world do you care bears live in any how?
Me, I say kill him. Why? It could have been an accident if his was sober, but by being drunk, he had impaired judgment and control of his vehicle.
No mercy. Just strap him down and end him.
If I had done that, I would hope they would do the same with me.
But I know stars and athelets get a free pass and the fans will always kiss their ass.
The free passes need to stop.
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|  said by Snakeoil :How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone. Never
said by Snakeoil :BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them. Now, that's just stupid. One person's life was ruined, why ruin another? |
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| said by the law :said by Snakeoil :How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone. Never said by Snakeoil :BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them. Now, that's just stupid. One person's life was ruined, why ruin another? So it ok for me to ran you over with my car. Then have the police give me a party for it.
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| said by caddyroger :So it ok for me to ran you over with my car. Then have the police give me a party for it. He didn't say it's OK. Nobody else did either. It's just you and Snakeoil saying over and over that somebody thinks it's OK to run over pedestrians.
Why don't you stick to the subject without making up things other people didn't say? It's not that hard.
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put me in the crowd that says accidents happen. he we will probably get 2 to 5 years jail time. also in my opinion a fitting punishment. |
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said by Snakeoil :Geesh what kind of world do you care bears live in any how? Namecalling? Come on dude.
So your bottom line is DUI resulting in death of another human being = death penalty...we get it. |
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II quoted the wrong section of The Law
Said by pro7070
He's probably looking at 3-5 years and The law replied with this.
Why? The girl was crossing the street where she shouldn't have been.
To me that telling me that Stallworth should not get any time in jail period. That telling me that it ok to hit people even when if you are DWI and not get any jail time. If ether one did make the mistake she would be alive. They both where at fault. Stallworth should get about 10 years but He might get 1.
I do not not believe with Snakeoil that it was murder in this case but I do believe if you kill while DWI then they should die also.
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