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Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian
said by caddyroger  :I I do not not believe with Snakeoil that it was murder in this case but I do believe if you kill while DWI then they should die also. So you don't think its murder, but you still think he should be killed? WTF! |
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| said by The Law :said by caddyroger :I I do not not believe with Snakeoil that it was murder in this case but I do believe if you kill while DWI then they should die also. So you don't think its murder, but you still think he should be killed? WTF! If you would read, I said that it wasn't not murder and Stallworth is also responsible for the women death by DWI. I also said that Stallworth should get about 10 years not death.
I rephrase part about the death. If a DWI person kills some who is not at fault or kills a group of people then he should get a death sentence He killed someone so he die also. Driving while drinking is dangerous and every knows it. When you DWI you know you could kill someone. I don't no sympathy for anyone who DWI and they deserve whats they get.
It is simple if you drink don't drive.
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He didn't kill a woman BTW, it was a man who just got off work at 7:00 am.
So if people think someone that kills someone while driving drunk, should anyone who kills someone while doing anything illegal (IE: robbery,mugging,being high one drugs) should they be put to death also? Seems some people want a eye for a eye.
and I have lost a freind to drunk driving and I do not condone it one bit, but it isn't the same a the one poster said as putting a gun to their kids head.
also I have known someone that has killed someone while drunk, he did his time in jail and since released, he has done nothing but good in teaching others the dangers of it but he has never been the same since. |
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Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian
another update
»sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/f···dex.html |
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Report: Stallworth to be charged
»sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632 |
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| Browns | Stallworth expected to be charged with DUI manslaughter
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Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:14:49 -0700
Jennifer Lebovich, of The Miami Herald, reports Cleveland Browns WR Donte' Stallworth is expected to be charged with DUI manslaughter Wednesday, April 1. Blood tests revealed Stallworth had a blood alcohol level of .12 after his Saturday, March 14, crash, a source told The Miami Herald. Arrangements have been made for Stallworth to surrender to authorities, according to the source.
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| Browns | Stallworth charged with DUI manslaughter
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Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns WR Donte' Stallworth has been charged with one count of DUI manslaughter, which is a second-degree felony. Stallworth's bond will be set at $200,000 and will allow him to live in Florida and Ohio.
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According to the warrant, Stallworth was drinking at the upscale Club Liv at the Fontainebleau in Miami Beach before returning to a home in Miami at 6:18 a.m. The affadavit didn't clarify whether or not the home was one of Stallworth's three residences in the Miami area.
About an hour later, he left again in his Bentley and struck and killed Reyes on the MacArthur Causeway, which connects Miami and Miami Beach. Reyes sustained critical head, chest and abdominal injuries, and died a short time later at Jackson Memorial Hospital's trauma center.
When officers arrived at the scene, Stallworth was standing outside his car, and told them, "I hit the man lying in the road.'' One of them reported that he smelled alcohol on Stallworth's breath and that his eyes looked "bloodshot and watery.''
A field sobriety test, part of which appears on a video obtained by the Miami Herald, was conducted and blood was drawn at the scene. The lab at the University of Miami revealed that his blood alcohol level was .126.
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A Miami Beach police report said that Reyes was not in a crosswalk on busy MacArthur Causeway when he was struck by the black 2005 Bentley luxury car driven by Stallworth.
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The above sure puts to rest the rumor that Mr Reyes was in the crosswalk when he was run over. Even now I don't know why some said he was in the crosswalk. |
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Vancouver | When will they learn. You are making millions of dollars. Just get a cab. Its just not worth it. Stallworth, if guilty, deserves everything he gets.
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The article says that Stallworth said he tried flashing his lights to alert the guy he hit. If he had time to do that then he had time to stop. Plus he was doing 50 in a 40.
And not only did he drive home, in which if he would have stayed this would not have happened, he LEFT AGAIN and that's when he hit the guy. Going home at 6:18 am drunk and leaving again leads me to believe that he was also probably using coke. I've found in my youth after an all nighter of drinking it's "crashtime" when I got home, unless there were some "other" stimulants involved. |
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It's possible that he may eventually be charged with DUI, as opposed to DUI manslaughter. There's some educated speculation regarding that from Mike Florio who's a lawyer as well as founder of profootballtalk.com.
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As we now understand it, the significant potential difference was/is that prosecutors could ultimately decide not to charge Stallworth with DUI manslaughter, but to charge him only with DUI.
The key here is the precise language of Section 316.193(3)(c)(3)(b) of the Florida Statutes. A person who is driving while drunk doesn’t commit DUI manslaughter simply by driving drunk and being involved in an accident resulting in another person’s death. To be liable for DUI manslaughter, the drunk driver also must have caused or contributed to the causation of the incident.
The DUI laws impose strict liability on the driver. Even if the driver is not actually impaired, he’s deemed to be intoxicated as a matter of law if his blood alcohol concentration exceeds the legal limit.
For DUI manslaughter in Florida, there’s no strict liability. The prosecution must prove — beyond a reasonable doubt — that the driver caused or contributed to the causation of the collison.
The key, as it always is in criminal cases, is reasonable doubt.
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| That's just defense lawyer doubletalk. What Stallworth did would be considered DUI manslaughter in every state in America. Even being a rich athlete and all the money in the world can't save him now. It would be a complete injustice to the family of the man he killed and to the citizens of Florida for the state not to charge him with DUI manslaughter. |
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| It reads more like a discussion of law than like doubletalk.
In the period of time after a high-profile athlete gets arrested there's always a rush of public opinion for the harshest possible punishment, even though only a fragment of the story is know. Then months pass, details come out, things aren't so clear, and things get settled in court in ways that often don't involved the harshest crime and harshest sentence.
Plaxico Burress is a good example of this. There was lots of talk after he shot himself in the leg that he'd get a mandatory 3-year (or 3.5-year?) sentence. Even government officials were clamoring for that. He still hasn't gone to trial yet, and I seriously doubt he gets that sentence.
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| said by fatness :In the period of time after a high-profile athlete gets arrested there's always a rush of public opinion for the harshest possible punishment, even though only a fragment of the story is know. Then months pass, details come out, things aren't so clear, and things get settled in court in ways that often don't involved the harshest crime and harshest sentence. True enough. But:
If Stallworth was speeding, DUI, "saw the man lying in the road", had time to flash his lights 'in an attempted warning' (all according to the ESPN story), yet still hit and killed him-- it's a little tough to believe it isn't going to be determined there was at least some, and perhaps a great deal, of culpability on the part of Stallworth. |
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| Depends on what accounts you read. According to one of them his car stopped a few feet from the person he hit. There's no way you can do that without a serious attempt at slowing down from the speed he was going. If he was braking, flashing his lights, and honking his horn, what else could he do? Not all pedestrians hit by cars are due to driver error.
I've also heard that the pedestrian was crossing the road (having just got off work), not lying in the road.
I'm not saying that that is the way it happened. I'm just saying it's possible, based on some of the partial accounts of events I've read. Until it goes to trial we won't know the exact sequence of events. It's not clear whether he's guilty of manslaughter or now.
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| DUI for 1 and speeding on other. If Stallworth was not speeding the pedestrian would ether crossed the street safely or got hit by some else. In my book Stallworth was 75% at fault the pedestrian 25%.
Death caused by Dui is about 40% and speeding about 30%. Stallworth was both.
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said by fatness :I've also heard that the pedestrian was crossing the road (having just got off work), not lying in the road. You don't normally go relax in the street after just getting through a work shift?
Stallworth saying the guy was 'lying in the road' sounds, at first blush, an awful lot like a quick and lame attempt to shift blame and cover his own ass-- something pro athletes are, unfortunately, all too good at.
I'm not saying that that is the way it happened. I'm just saying it's possible, based on some of the partial accounts of events I've read. Until it goes to trial we won't know the exact sequence of events. It's not clear whether he's guilty of manslaughter or now. That's correct.
But that's part of the reason online forums exist, isn't it?
So that we may hang someone in the court of public opinion, or speculate with certainty when only sketchy facts are known.  |
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Th part about lying in the road. At first I thought he said he was lying in the road, but after re-reading the article, when the police came, he said "he hit the man lying in the road" not "I hit A man lying in the road". It was his way of telling the police who got hit. |
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