[NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian in Sports Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22068695 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:10:47 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:10:47 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22867498 fatness : I agree. He's been responsible since the moment the accident happened. If he spends a year doing what's required of him, and doing what he can do to remain in shape he should apply for reinstatement by the league. If the league agrees he should apply to have the terms of his house arrest modified to allow him to interview, try out, practice, or play as the opportunity presents itself.

Of course, then he'll injure his hamstring again.
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Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth has been suspended without pay for the 2009 season for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy and its substance abuse policy, the league said Thursday.

Stallworth, 28, who pleaded guilty to DUI manslaughter in Florida in connection with a March 14 crash in which he struck and killed construction worker Mario Reyes, will be reinstated after the Super Bowl in February 2010, the league said.

In a letter to Stallworth made public Thursday, commissioner Roger Goodel said, "I believe that further consequences are necessary" in addition to the punishment handed down by the legal system.

"There is no question that your actions had tragic consequences to an innocent man and his family, and that you have violated both the Substances of Abuse and Personal Conduct Policies," Goodell said. "In that respect, you are clearly guilty of conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the NFL."

"Your conduct endangered yourself and others, leading to the death of an innocent man. The NFL and NFL players must live with the stain that you have placed on their reputations," Goodell said.

Goodell suspended Stallworth indefinitely on June 18, two days after Stallworth pleaded guilty.

After Stallworth spent the night drinking at a bar in Miami Beach's Fountainebleau hotel, police said he hit Reyes, a construction crane operator who was rushing to catch a bus after finishing his shift at about 7:15 a.m.

Stallworth told police he flashed his lights in an attempt to warn Reyes, who was not in a crosswalk when he was struck.

Stallworth had a blood-alcohol level of .126 after the crash, well above Florida's .08 limit. Stallworth stopped after the crash and immediately told officers he had hit Reyes. Police estimated Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.

Stallworth was given a 30-day jail sentence and reached an undisclosed financial settlement with Reyes' family. Besides jail time, Stallworth's sentence included two years of house arrest, eight years of probation and other restrictions.

Stallworth, who met with Goodell earlier this month, said afterwards he would live with whatever punishment Goodell handed down.

In a statement he issued on Aug. 6, a day after meeting with Goodell, Stallworth had said "I recognize that there is a difference between the legal standard in my criminal case and the standard to which NFL players are held.

"It is clear that I exercised poor judgment and caused irreparable harm to Mario Reyes, his family, the NFL, its owners, coaches, employees and to my fellow players."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Suspended Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth was released from a Miami jail on Friday morning after serving 24 days for his DUI manslaughter charge.


»www.miamiherald.com/sports/footb···743.html
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»cbs13.com/cbsnational/sports/Don···382.html

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MIAMI (AP) A judge refused Thursday to release surveillance video depicting the moment a car driven by Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth struck and killed a pedestrian in a drunk-driving crash.

Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Dennis Murphy said the privacy interests of the family of victim Mario Reyes outweighed the public's right to view the video. Several news organizations, including The Associated Press, made public records requests seeking release of the video. "This is akin to autopsy photographs," Murphy said at a hearing, adding that the video would remain sealed "for the foreseeable future as far as I'm concerned."


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Stallworth attorney Christopher Lyons received permission from Murphy to view the video in the future. Because the video apparently shows that Reyes darted out into traffic, it could have a bearing on the ultimate punishment imposed on Stallworth by the NFL.

"If I do need to view the video, I would abide by any court order that there be no duplication," Lyons told the judge.

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said by jlhugh See Profile :

said by Snakeoil See Profile :

This case proves the point I tried to make about Vic.

In America, the life of animals is more important then the life of humans.
right. 24 months for killing dogs. 24 days for killing a human. does this seem right to anyone? i know Vick lied and Donte came out with the truth and he got some mercy, but come on.
Actually, the Vick case is worse than that. The federal charges were all based on racketeering, and had nothing to do with any dogs. The three year suspended sentence from Virginia was for the animal cruelty a(etc.) charges. I still say his NFL days are over. He lied to Goodell.
As soon as I saw the Stallworth sentence, I knew someone cut a deal for money. Sometimes you can buy your way out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22594656 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:25:34 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22594584 sailor : I couldn't even begin to express my anger at those who get shitfaced and then drive drunk and injure or kill others.

This professor, an internationally renowned expert on autism who pioneered several widely used treatments, and his wife were taking a nice afternoon drive a couple of towns over from me and a alleged drunk driver in his 60's with passengers crossed over into their lane and hit them head on. :mad: :mad:

»www.newsday.com/news/local/suffo···64.story]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22594584 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:08:20 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22594429 sailor : His family wanted money over anything else and he was in the position to give it to them.
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It was a horrific thing, as I wrote months ago, that happened to Mario Reyes, the 59-year-old laborer Stallworth struck with his black Bentley while driving drunk in the wee hours of March 14. Stallworth didn't own up to it immediately but, unlike Vick, didn't attempt to mislead investigators. He pled guilty and reached a confidential financial settlement with Reyes' family that led to his apparently light sentence for an error in judgment that will haunt him the rest of his life.

Levay pointed out to me that any prosecutor worth his salt queries the victim or victims for their opinion about the case in which they find themselves.

The Associated Press reported that Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle cited Stallworth's lack of a previous criminal record, cooperation and willingness to accept responsibility as factors in the plea deal that followed the financial statement and resulted in a month-long sentence. The AP reported that Rundle said the Reyes family -- particularly the victim's 15-year-old daughter -- wanted the case resolved to avoid any more pain.

"For all of these reasons, a just resolution of this case has been reached," Rundle told the AP.

Levay told me that part of Stallworth's restitution in this case can be seen in the terms of the settlement, whatever they may be. After all, many South Florida media outlets described Reyes as the breadwinner for his family.

It was also reported that Reyes may not have been in a crosswalk when Stallworth struck him. That is known in the law as "contributing negligence," and in some states, like Virginia, Levay told me, such a finding voids a financial settlement. That won't be the case for Reyes' family.

"The state can consider these circumstances," Dallas Criminal Court Judge John Creuzot reminded me Thursday. "It's not surprising at all in this deal. When you're in a situation where someone can make financial compensation...that can be part of the equation."

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said by dogma See Profile :

Nonetheless, "if" it's real and "if" it clearly shows the victim literally jumped out in front of Stallworth's Bentley, the facts remain that Stallworth was driving DUI and at least 10MPH over the speed limit.
I agree with all of that.

For the life of me I can't figure out any other reason for such a light sentence other than the genuine possibility of an acquittal if it went to trial.

I'm sure if there's a video it will leak out. And I do agree with sonofjay that anger at the light sentence is probably why the (supposed) existence of the video is coming out now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22594351 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:18:37 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22593879 dogma :
said by fatness See Profile :

...indicate that a reasonable jury could have found reasonable doubt.
...and I could have located the lost city of Atlantis. But we will never know unless it's adjudicated. Other than the site linked, and a few sites that refer back to that site, I didn't find any other MSM corroborating source (admittedly I didn't look very hard). I would imagine this video (or the mention) would make the major news networks considering the gravity of the story. Almost sounds as if the local DA is in CYA mode.

Nonetheless, "if" it's real and "if" it clearly shows the victim literally jumped out in front of Stallworth's Bentley, the facts remain that Stallworth was driving DUI and at least 10MPH over the speed limit.

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said by fatness See Profile :

But for such a pitifully short sentence there had to be some powerful reason to settle for it.
fatness See Profile, looks like you were right. It'll be interesting when the video is released. I suspect the existence of the video is now coming to light due to the backlash from the very light sentence.
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A source with knowledge of the March 14 collision between Brown receiver Donte’ Stallworth’s vehicle and 59-year-old Mario Reyes tells us that a video of the accident exists.

Per the source, the footage was shot by a nearby surveillance camera that monitors the gates to Reyes’ workplace.

We’re told that the video shows Reyes walking into the highway in an area that does not contain a crosswalk, and ultimately walking directly into the path of Stallworth’s Bentley.

Stallworth’s lawyer, David Cornwell, declined to confirm the existence of the video.

The contents of the video apparently had a significant impact on the ultimate plea deal. Though the 30-day prison term and two years of house arrest light have triggered significant criticism, the ultimate question for a jury would have been whether the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Stallworth caused or contributed to the death of Mario Reyes. At a minimum, the contents of the tape, as they have been described to us, indicate that a reasonable jury could have found reasonable doubt.

Whether the video results in a reduced suspension from the NFL remains to be seen.

Author of the article, Mike Florio, is also a lawyer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22593455 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:12:24 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22592812 pro7070 : I honestly think Vick's crime is sicker and he a sicker human being and his punishment was justified. But Stallworth got off waaay to easy. Simple as that.

Vick's crime had some forethought, planning, and malice. I think Stallworth should have gotten what the rest of us would have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22592812 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:50:55 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22592337 Mats :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

In America, the life of animals is more important then the life of humans.
What do you think Stallworth would have received if he had ran over a dog instead of a human?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22592337 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:21:16 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22592317 Mats :
said by jlhugh See Profile :

said by Snakeoil See Profile :

This case proves the point I tried to make about Vic.

In America, the life of animals is more important then the life of humans.
right. 24 months for killing dogs. 24 days for killing a human. does this seem right to anyone? i know Vick lied and Donte came out with the truth and he got some mercy, but come on.
Cmon I know you two are smart enough to tell the difference.

One guy intentionally runs a dog fighting racket where dogs are dying a violent death because of it. The other guy unintentionally does something that results in someone dying. Yes there is a difference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22592317 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:18:45 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22591091 dogma : That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs - they love animals, they can't stand people.

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said by Snakeoil See Profile :

This case proves the point I tried to make about Vic.

In America, the life of animals is more important then the life of humans.
right. 24 months for killing dogs. 24 days for killing a human. does this seem right to anyone? i know Vick lied and Donte came out with the truth and he got some mercy, but come on.
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In America, the life of animals is more important then the life of humans.
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said by fatness See Profile :

I think the real issue is, while on house arrest, how many times will he pull his hamstring. He usually has a pulled hamstring for at least 12 games a year.

"Stallworth suffers hamstring injury making toast."
Yeah, thats the most annoying part about him... I think he missed 4 games due to his hamstring... I guess he's too fast for his own good
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"Stallworth suffers hamstring injury making toast."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22576778 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:56:16 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22576289 Eagles LoveR :
said by MuDvAyNe See Profile :

said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

Cowboys here Donte comes!
Cowboys don't want this guy. He is overrated but you never believed it. You were praising him like he was the next Jerry Rice. Once he was gone from your Eagles you basically say he sucks. Homer much?
He was really good on our team I wanted him over a Reggie Brown(who will probably be cut) Shit, I'd still take Donte over Reggie Brown...(and when did I ever compare him to jerry rice? LOL I never once said Stallworth is a top 10 or top 15 WR in the NFL... I said he was a #1 which he is when he's not injured and killing people - but I guess saying someones a #1 WR is comparing them to Rice =/)

And now I'm saying he sucks? when did I ever say that? I'm talking about him being a criminal and how the cowboys love their criminals... but okay I forgot I "implied" he was the next jerry rice and soon he'll be starring in the newest porno with Jenna Jamison...

And you never know if the Cowboys will want him or not... They did trade for Pacman Jones and they have the worst QB in the NFC East in Tony 'fatass' Romo
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said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

Cowboys here Donte comes!
Cowboys don't want this guy. He is overrated but you never believed it. You were praising him like he was the next Jerry Rice. Once he was gone from your Eagles you basically say he sucks. Homer much?
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said by fatness See Profile :

I think Cleveland will cut him.
Although he likely can work under house arrest, I'm with you. I foresee Cleveland cutting him, and soon.
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The suspension is effective immediately, but Goodell still plans to schedule a meeting with Stallworth to determine the length of the suspension.

It's unlikely a permanent suspension. My guess would be that Goodell will settle on a year. However, overlooked in this thread (I believe) is that Stallworth has to serve 2 years of house arrest after he's out of prison. So perhaps that'll prevent him from playing even if the suspension ends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22574641 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:45:30 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22574110 dogma :
said by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell :
The conduct reflected in your guilty plea resulted in the tragic loss of life and was inexcusable. While the criminal justice system has determined the legal consequences of this incident, it is my responsibility as NFL Commissioner to determine appropriate league discipline for your actions, which have caused irreparable harm to the victim and his family, your club, your fellow players and the NFL.


I guess they didn't quote the part where Goodell says: "...good riddance you sorry sack of shit"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22574110 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:52:08 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22574001 sonofjay : I would normally crap all over the NFL for its uptight ways but, in this case, the NFL seems to be the only one who hasn't looked past that a human being was killed.

Let the circus begin. The lawsuits from everyone. Stallworth's lawyers claiming the NFL doesn't have the right. The NFLPA interjecting it's angle. The media quizzing the victims family what they think about Stallworth not being able to play. Not to mention the question on whether Stallworth was banking on any of his $11 million signing bonus, due to him already, for buying his freedom from the victims family? Will we soon see Stallworth filling bankruptcy claiming no funds and "the lawyers took it all"?

I have a feeling the tale of this story is just getting started. Perhaps now the details of the "deal" with the DA Stallworth got will find its way out.
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said by fatness See Profile :

It would be awful damn nice if the whole story came out. But I doubt it ever will.
+1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22570332 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:45:01 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569934 fatness : It would be awful damn nice if the whole story came out. But I doubt it ever will.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569934 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:39:50 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569922 sonofjay :
said by fatness See Profile :

I'm not saying that's the way it happened. But for such a pitifully short sentence there had to be some powerful reason to settle for it.
Could be.... but I remain doubtful.
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If a driver's sober and someone runs out in front of him, not giving him any chance to stop before he hits him, it's usually the pedestrian's fault. I'm not sure the responsibility falls any differently if the driver's drunk. He's DWI, but not necessarily the cause of the accident. You or I would likely be convicted of course, since we don't have the money to pay attorneys and forensics experts to put in hundreds of hours. But we wouldn't have the money to give the victim's family either.

I'm not saying that's the way it happened. But for such a pitifully short sentence there had to be some powerful reason to settle for it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569913 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:33:59 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569912 Rook008 : There's probably a lot of reasons why this came out the way it did.

Stallworth payed off the family, so there's no one connected to the case crying for justice.
Stallworth has deep pockets, so he can afford to hire good lawyers to try and push some of the blame on the victim.
Stallworth was cooperative since the very beginning.
The victim was rushing to catch a bus. This could lead to the argument in a trial that he ran out in front of Stallworth's car, and even if Stallworth wasn't drunk, he could not have avoided the accident. I could easily seem some lawyer arguing that.

All these things combined could have persuaded the Prosecutor that he could actually lose in court, prompting him to make the deal.

Having said that, the penalty, in my opinion, seems way too light.
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said by sonofjay See Profile :

I guess the deal is it's no weaker than the case dogma See Profile cited and arguably stronger as the victim was not drinking.
I don't think we have any idea how weak or strong the case was. Neither the DA's office or the prosecution have talked about evidence. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569805 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:04:06 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569792 sonofjay : I guess the deal is it's no weaker than the case dogma See Profile cited and arguably stronger as the victim was not drinking. »Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian

And the victim's family wants should not stand in the way of fair and equal treatment of the law. The DA can prosecute what it wants and the judge does not have to accept any plea agreement that is offered. I was involved in case, as the victim, where the judge not only refused the plea offer, but went on to chastise the prosecutor for offering and agreeing to it and then turn around an imposed double the sentence of the original plea. Convicted was carted off immediately screaming at the judge, prosecute and his lawyer. He had an extensive criminal history.

It just amazes me that someone along the line pull their head of of their ass and see this for what it was, weak case or not.
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said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

30 days? Vick kills dogs and gets 2 years... Stallworth kills a human being while being drunk and gets 30 days
As much as it kills me to agree with EL, he's fucking right and this is the first thing I thought of as well.

I know I'm a little late on this, but 30 days? You have got to be fucking kidding me...a human is killed by a drunk driver and they get 30 days and some chump ass charges??

There isn't a word strong enough for the amount of bullshit this encompasses. As has been mentioned, you stick one of us in his place, I am pretty sure we're somehow going to have to fight our way out of a life sentence simply for the fact that we'd been drinking, which tends to be a blank check for the prosecution to lay every blame, including the crusification of Christ on you. I've never had a DUI, but my best friend did years ago, and he got 2 years probation, 5000 fine (not counting court costs) and some communbity service. That was for a DUI that he got pulled over for in FRONT of our house...literally 15 steps to the door. Not saying its right, but...wow...

Money will get you out of everything. I hope that family can sleep knowing how much a life costs to them.
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said by sonofjay See Profile :

Wow, crazy. The judge never should have accepted the plea, even if the DA was foolish enough to make the deal.
I still think the only reason for accepting the deal was a potentially-weak case. If it went to trial and he was found not guilty, the victims would have had a harder time getting a financial settlement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569693 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:37:42 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569680 fatness :
said by sonofjay See Profile :

Neither insurance policy should really apply so I'm not sure why that was even mentioned. Insurance policies have outs in their contracts that void payments in the case of illegal activities. Stallworth was still convicted correct? So insurance does not pay. Not sure why the reporter even mentioned it or cared.
I think the reporter was just guessing at the source of the money. The money gets paid to the victim's family and I assume it comes from Stallworth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569680 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:35:59 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569636 sonofjay :
said by dogma See Profile :

As a result, Conner was adjudicated guilty of only DUI manslaughter, and he was sentenced to fifteen years in prison.[/buote]

Stallworth plead guilty to the same thing.
Wow, crazy. The judge never should have accepted the plea, even if the DA was foolish enough to make the deal.
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said by Beachie See Profile :

Nick Bollea (Hulk Hogan's kid) was able to get a California driver's license. His Florida license was revoked for 3 years after his accident in 2007, but he was able to get a hardship license here. California only saw he had one, not the restrictions on it and he has full driving privileges in CA.
I stand re-corrected, his "lifelong driving revocation" will last exactly 5 years: »www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/dlfaqson2a.html#4a

Florida sentencing guidelines allow for twelve (12) to thirty (30) years in prison for a DUI/DWI vehicular manslaughter conviction.
It took me awhile, but I found a similar case in 2007 {State v. Conner, 2007}:

said by Florida Appeals Court via--> »www.bikeforums.net/archive/index···928.html :
Conner [a non-wealthy Florida resident] was charged with one count of DUI manslaughter and one count of vehicular homicide as a result of an accident involving his SUV and a bicycle. At trial, there was no dispute that the SUV and the bicycle collided with each other and that the bicyclist was killed as a result of the impact.

Here, the evidence at trial showed that both Conner and the bicyclist, Mr. Conklin, had alcohol in their systems when the accident occurred. While several witnesses saw Mr. Conklin riding in the bicycle lane before the accident, the impact itself apparently occurred in an intersection where the line demarcating the bicycle lane was absent. Conner told several deputies at the scene of the accident that a vehicle pulled in front of him. The majority of Mr. Conklin's injuries were to the left side of his body, and his hat was found in the middle of the road.

Although a jury found Conner guilty of both DUI manslaughter and vehicular homicide, at sentencing the trial judge merged the vehicular homicide charge into the DUI manslaughter conviction. As a result, Conner was adjudicated guilty of only DUI manslaughter, and he was sentenced to fifteen years in prison.


Stallworth plead guilty to the same thing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569395 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:35:49 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569223 sonofjay : Neither insurance policy should really apply so I'm not sure why that was even mentioned. Insurance policies have outs in their contracts that void payments in the case of illegal activities. Stallworth was still convicted correct? So insurance does not pay. Not sure why the reporter even mentioned it or cared.
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quote:
Stallworth also reached a confidential financial settlement to avoid a potential lawsuit from the family of 59-year-old Mario Reyes, according to Stallworth's attorney, Christopher Lyons. Reyes was struck and killed March 14 by Stallworth, who was driving his black 2005 Bentley after a night drinking at a swanky hotel bar.

A source told ESPN's Kelly Naqi that while the financial terms of the settlement with the family have not been disclosed, Stallworth was covered by two insurance policies: a car insurance policy and a $5 million umbrella policy.

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said by fatness See Profile :

If the government was sure they could prove their case, they would not have agreed to this deal.
Sorry, but there is no deal in this deal. The accused didn't lose or bargain away anything for all intents and purposes. He signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Cleveland Browns...

...so let's do the math:
$5 Million/Year or
$416,666/Month or
$13,888/Day.

He drives drunk, kills a guy, and he doesn't even have to pay a days salary.

They would have been better off by prosecuting and losing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569146 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:45:47 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569089 fatness : I think the government agreed to the plea deal because they didn't know if they could prove that Stallworth being drunk caused the accident. His lawyers would have tried to show that, if he was sober, he still would have hit the guy because it was unavoidable. And they may have been able to show that well enough to prevent a conviction.

If the government was sure they could prove their case, they would not have agreed to this deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569089 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:35:15 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569073 pr1mo : They're blabbing on the bullshit-media that he got a lesser sentence than Vick because he had told the government everything, while Michael Vick had lied about certain things pertaining to his case. That's a laughable excuse. This gov't is a joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22569073 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:31:32 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563734 pro7070 :
said by MuDvAyNe See Profile :

Still he was Drunk Driving. This is pretty much a slap on the wrist. If he was sober I bet he would of not hit the man. If anyone of us normal Joes did this we would be in prison for Life. Total bullshit and once again we see how the system favors the rich.
I agree. This is simply unbelievable. 30 days? I know peopel that got 30 days for writing bad checks, driving under suspension, possesion of drugs, but killing someone? Give me a fucking break. Money talks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563734 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:46:13 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563607 Beachie :
said by dogma See Profile
edit: I take that back. Apparently all states are interlinked and if you are suspended/revoked in one state, you can't license shop in another. [/BQUOTE :

Nick Bollea (Hulk Hogan's kid) was able to get a California driver's license. His Florida license was revoked for 3 years after his accident in 2007, but he was able to get a hardship license here. California only saw he had one, not the restrictions on it and he has full driving privileges in CA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563607 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:15:14 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563175 sailor :
said by Eagles LoveR See Profile :

30 days? Vick kills dogs and gets 2 years... Stallworth kills a human being while being drunk and gets 30 days
Stallworth probably had more cash than Vick. I would say the family of the guy hit and killed received or will receive a couple of million for them not to request serious prison time...seems the only thing they wanted is that he won't be able to legally drive again so that leads me to believe big money is involved.

The other thing is with Vick it was dogs....a huge emotional button pusher for many people that caused outrage. And rightfully so but the point I am trying to make is society has been so use to so much killing of human beings that it doesn't rattle many anymore.....10 dogs get killed and that is big big news...10 soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan get killed and it hardly makes the papers anymore.

When President Bush went on TV to inform the American people that he had ordered Shock & Awe on Iraq and that American bombs were now being dropped many in American said along the lines like..."Right on man!" ..But if President Bush would have said on TV that he ordered Shock and Awe on every dog in Iraq do to intelligence told him that the dogs of Iraq were carrying WMD's strapped to them many Americans would have responded with..."Like hell you are ! Over my dead body" :mad:

It's an emotionally charged response. ( animals ) and it should be as we as humans need to defend them but I am just trying to make a comparision that to many, the death of a human, even one who died as a result of torture, is greeted by many with a big yawn.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563175 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:54:45 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563156 dogma :
said by shaner See Profile :

Yeah but, he can NEVER drive In Florida again!

:uhh:
fixed

edit: I take that back. Apparently all states are interlinked and if you are suspended/revoked in one state, you can't license shop in another.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563156 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:51:04 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563125 shaner : Yeah but, he can NEVER drive again!

:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22563125 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:45:59 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22562956 Eagles LoveR : 30 days? Vick kills dogs and gets 2 years... Stallworth kills a human being while being drunk and gets 30 days]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22562956 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:16:56 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22562615 sonofjay : Imagine if a construction worker killed an NFL player. 30 days for vehicular manslaughter. Good stuff.
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said by [
user=MuDvAyNe :

]Still he was Drunk Driving. This is pretty much a slap on the wrist. If he was sober I bet he would of not hit the man. If anyone of us normal Joes did this we would be in prison for Life. Total bullshit and once again we see how the system favors the rich.
You are 100% correct if he wasn't drunk he probably would not have hit him. A normal person would gotten years for it.
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said by fatness See Profile :

...
But doubts based on the pedestrian running into the street, not at a crosswalk, etc. That would be my guess.
Same here.
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said by (Reuters) :
Stallworth gets jail sentence in drunk-driving death


MIAMI – Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte Stallworth pleaded guilty on Tuesday to manslaughter while driving under the influence of alcohol and was sentenced to 30 days in jail for the car crash that killed a pedestrian on Miami Beach.

The National Football League player's jail term will be followed by two years of house arrest and eight years' probation.

Stallworth might be allowed to play football during that time, if his community control officer and the NFL allow it, because people under house arrest are usually permitted to go to work or school, a spokeswoman for the Miami-Dade County state attorney's office said.

But he will need a lift to the stadium because his driver's license has been suspended for life. "He cannot drive ever again for any reason. That is what the (victim's) family wanted. The family urged us to do this," spokeswoman Terry Chavez said.

A judge also ordered Stallworth to pay $10,000 in fines and perform 1,000 hours of community service.


Why does this sound like a slap on the wrist?
In California:
A drunk-driving incident that results in death is typically charged as second-degree murder, manslaughter, or vehicular homicide.
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MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth has agreed to plead guilty to a DUI manslaughter charge and would do some jail time for a Miami car crash in which a pedestrian was struck and killed, authorities said Monday.

Stallworth, 28, is scheduled to appear Tuesday in a Miami courtroom to enter the plea. If accepted by Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Dennis Murphy, Stallworth would serve a short jail sentence for the March 14 crash, followed by lengthy probation and numerous conditions, Terry Chavez, spokeswoman for the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office, told The Associated Press.

Miami Beach police said Stallworth was drinking at a bar in the swank Fountainebleu hotel. He left to go to a nearby home -- he owns three properties in the Miami area -- and then headed out in his black 2005 Bentley on MacArthur Causeway, which links the beach to downtown Miami.

Prosecutors say Stallworth hit 59-year-old Mario Reyes, a construction crane operator who was rushing to catch a bus after finishing his shift around 7:15 a.m. Stallworth told police he flashed his lights in an attempt to warn Reyes, who was not in a crosswalk when he was struck.

Chavez said Reyes' family has been pushing hard to resolve the case.

"We have been in intense negotiations for the past couple of days," Chavez said. "We always take the victim's wishes into account."

Stallworth had faced up to 15 years in prison on the DUI manslaughter charge, but the plea deal calls for far less time. Chavez would not provide details on the penalties, nor would Stallworth attorney Christopher Lyons.

"There is a plea agreement and it's going to be presented to the judge," Lyons said.

Stallworth had a blood-alcohol level of .126 after the crash, well above Florida's .08 limit. He had previously pleaded not guilty and Lyons initially pledged to mount a vigorous defense.

But Stallworth has also has cooperated with investigators and issued a statement shortly after the crash expressing sympathy for Reyes' family.

"He's shown remorse and taken responsibility from day one," Chavez said.

Stallworth stopped after the crash and immediately told officers he had hit Reyes. Police estimated Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.

Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Browns before last season but was injured much of the year. He also has played for New England, Philadelphia and New Orleans.

The National Football League has said it will review the matter for possible disciplinary action after the legal case is completed.

»sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4261769

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»sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4262751]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22558318 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:34:49 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22195695 rody_44 : nope. quit drinking. it gets worse, he killed a 17 year old kid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22195695 Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:24:46 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22195280 sailor : Does your friend still drink and drive?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22195280 Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:13:35 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22195080 rody_44 : i have a friend that got off on a dui manslaughter charge because they took him to the hospital to take blood. to much time was lost at the scene and they didnt draw the blood until 3 hours and 5 minutes later. after three hours the blood test cant count according to the law. even tho he was 15 he couldnt be charged with that. he pleaded guilty to homicide by motor vehicle and got 18 months. 6 months in and 12 months work release. dui manslaughter here is a minimum 5 year sentence which lands you in state prison and not county. if i remember correctly dui manslaughter was a minimum 5 years with parole after 3.5 years. that 3 hours passes fast when so much is involved with a death involved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22195080 Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:45:42 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22186729 pro7070 :
said by rody_44 See Profile :

I dont care how much money he has. He IS going to jail. Mothers against drunk drivers will make sure of that. What he will be bargaining for is county prison time and not state prison time. In county prison he can spend a lot of his term on work release. State time wont allow for that and would probably result in around a mandatory 5 years or so with eligable for parole after around 3.5 years. HE IS ABOUT TO SPEND A GOOD CHUNK OF HIS LIFE BEHIND BARS. Pulling blood at the scene really put the screws to him and was some dam good police work.
It was my understanding that it's a State law in Florida to take blood when there is a death involved. But I agree that's going to be a ass kicker for Stallworth. If he had been able to refuse to blow then it would have been a different case alltogether. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22186729 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:17:13 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22186659 rody_44 : I dont care how much money he has. He IS going to jail. Mothers against drunk drivers will make sure of that. What he will be bargaining for is county prison time and not state prison time. In county prison he can spend a lot of his term on work release. State time wont allow for that and would probably result in around a mandatory 5 years or so with eligable for parole after around 3.5 years. HE IS ABOUT TO SPEND A GOOD CHUNK OF HIS LIFE BEHIND BARS. Pulling blood at the scene really put the screws to him and was some dam good police work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22186659 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 10:57:55 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22178095 anon : Upon reflection . . .

It appears Moorecards See Profile is probably right about how Stallworth meant his comment-- that he hit that fellow who is currently laying in the road (as if there might be doubt about who was struck), rather than claiming the fellow he struck was laying in the road prior to being struck.

So I take back my comment about Stallworth trying to cover his own ass by saying that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22178095 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:03:26 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22177402 fatness : To be clear, my understanding is that the guy was hit while walking across the road, and the car came to rest a few feet from him.
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said by fatness See Profile :

said by sailor See Profile :

He is lying in the road because he got hit by a huge ass Bentley going 50 M.P.H.
Are you sure that's a fact? Because a report said the car came to rest a few feet from the pedestrian. A car doing 50 cannot do that.
If the guy WAS laying in the road, then why would he flash his lights at someone laying in the road ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22177343 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:21:24 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22177250 fatness :
said by sailor See Profile :

He is lying in the road because he got hit by a huge ass Bentley going 50 M.P.H.
Are you sure that's a fact? Because a report said the car came to rest a few feet from the pedestrian. A car doing 50 cannot do that.
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said by Moorecards See Profile :

Th part about lying in the road. At first I thought he said he was lying in the road, but after re-reading the article, when the police came, he said "he hit the man lying in the road" not "I hit A man lying in the road". It was his way of telling the police who got hit.
That is the way I took as well. He is lying in the road because he got hit by a huge ass Bentley going 50 M.P.H. The body is not going to stay in the same area it got hit :(

He says he flashed his lights to warn the guy. To warn the guy what? To hit the ground and hope his Bentley goes over him without making contact! :huh: Flashed them to tell the man to go ahead and run across the highway? If he had time to flash his lights then he had that same time to hit the brakes in a attempt to slow his vehicle down before impact. I don't know about anyone else here but when someone flashes their lights to me it means to me..OK to GO. ...unless of course if the vehicle is coming from the opposite direction and flashes their lights to warn approaching motorist of a speed trap.

I have that feeling in my gut that tells me if you take a family who can't bring back a loved one but could use millions of dollars in cash ( his bonus money ) along with a corrupt county ( Dade County ) add to the mix a NFL player and then add some expensive lawyers the end result will be no jail time at all for Mr Stallworth.....Nothing more than a slap on the wrist so he can continue to play a game where many fans will pay big money to see him play.

This country to this day still doesn't take driving after excessive drinking serious enough.....why? to much money involved and money makes the world go around unfortunately...Everyone makes money...politicians from the powerful beverage lobbies, lawyers who defend shit faced drivers, drunk driving schools who make a killing hooking up with states to forgive points on a drivers license and on and on...all while families grieve for years over the loss of a loved one that some shit faced person who thought nothing of getting behind the wheel of their vehicle and driving on public highways after a day or evening of drinking killed...or those millions of individuals who now are living in wheelchairs or are missing a part of their brain or body due to a selfish irresponsible drunk. They are forced to live like that through no fault of their own and yet the drunken fuck that put them in that position pays a fine, losses the right to drive for maybe a year and then is still able to go to their jobs and continue drinking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22176772 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:06:07 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22175454 Moorecards : Th part about lying in the road. At first I thought he said he was lying in the road, but after re-reading the article, when the police came, he said "he hit the man lying in the road" not "I hit A man lying in the road". It was his way of telling the police who got hit. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22175454 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:36:23 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22174742 anon :
said by fatness See Profile :

I've also heard that the pedestrian was crossing the road (having just got off work), not lying in the road.
You don't normally go relax in the street after just getting through a work shift?

Stallworth saying the guy was 'lying in the road' sounds, at first blush, an awful lot like a quick and lame attempt to shift blame and cover his own ass-- something pro athletes are, unfortunately, all too good at.

I'm not saying that that is the way it happened. I'm just saying it's possible, based on some of the partial accounts of events I've read. Until it goes to trial we won't know the exact sequence of events. It's not clear whether he's guilty of manslaughter or now.
That's correct.
But that's part of the reason online forums exist, isn't it?
So that we may hang someone in the court of public opinion, or speculate with certainty when only sketchy facts are known. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22174742 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:45:31 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22173744 caddyroger : DUI for 1 and speeding on other. If Stallworth was not speeding the pedestrian would ether crossed the street safely or got hit by some else. In my book Stallworth was 75% at fault the pedestrian 25%.
Death caused by Dui is about 40% and speeding about 30%. Stallworth was both.
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I've also heard that the pedestrian was crossing the road (having just got off work), not lying in the road.

I'm not saying that that is the way it happened. I'm just saying it's possible, based on some of the partial accounts of events I've read. Until it goes to trial we won't know the exact sequence of events. It's not clear whether he's guilty of manslaughter or now.
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said by fatness See Profile :

In the period of time after a high-profile athlete gets arrested there's always a rush of public opinion for the harshest possible punishment, even though only a fragment of the story is know. Then months pass, details come out, things aren't so clear, and things get settled in court in ways that often don't involved the harshest crime and harshest sentence.
True enough. But:

If Stallworth was speeding, DUI, "saw the man lying in the road", had time to flash his lights 'in an attempted warning' (all according to the ESPN story), yet still hit and killed him-- it's a little tough to believe it isn't going to be determined there was at least some, and perhaps a great deal, of culpability on the part of Stallworth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22173524 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:07:47 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22171456 fatness : It reads more like a discussion of law than like doubletalk.

In the period of time after a high-profile athlete gets arrested there's always a rush of public opinion for the harshest possible punishment, even though only a fragment of the story is know. Then months pass, details come out, things aren't so clear, and things get settled in court in ways that often don't involved the harshest crime and harshest sentence.

Plaxico Burress is a good example of this. There was lots of talk after he shot himself in the leg that he'd get a mandatory 3-year (or 3.5-year?) sentence. Even government officials were clamoring for that. He still hasn't gone to trial yet, and I seriously doubt he gets that sentence.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22171456 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:35:18 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22171362 pro7070 : That's just defense lawyer doubletalk. What Stallworth did would be considered DUI manslaughter in every state in America. Even being a rich athlete and all the money in the world can't save him now. It would be a complete injustice to the family of the man he killed and to the citizens of Florida for the state not to charge him with DUI manslaughter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22171362 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:21:41 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22171205 fatness : It's possible that he may eventually be charged with DUI, as opposed to DUI manslaughter. There's some educated speculation regarding that from Mike Florio who's a lawyer as well as founder of profootballtalk.com.

quote:
As we now understand it, the significant potential difference was/is that prosecutors could ultimately decide not to charge Stallworth with DUI manslaughter, but to charge him only with DUI.

The key here is the precise language of Section 316.193(3)(c)(3)(b) of the Florida Statutes. A person who is driving while drunk doesn’t commit DUI manslaughter simply by driving drunk and being involved in an accident resulting in another person’s death. To be liable for DUI manslaughter, the drunk driver also must have caused or contributed to the causation of the incident.

The DUI laws impose strict liability on the driver. Even if the driver is not actually impaired, he’s deemed to be intoxicated as a matter of law if his blood alcohol concentration exceeds the legal limit.

For DUI manslaughter in Florida, there’s no strict liability. The prosecution must prove — beyond a reasonable doubt — that the driver caused or contributed to the causation of the collison.

The key, as it always is in criminal cases, is reasonable doubt.

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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22171205 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:01:35 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22170266 pro7070 :
said by Moorecards See Profile :

Report: Stallworth to be charged

»sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632
The article says that Stallworth said he tried flashing his lights to alert the guy he hit. If he had time to do that then he had time to stop. Plus he was doing 50 in a 40.

And not only did he drive home, in which if he would have stayed this would not have happened, he LEFT AGAIN and that's when he hit the guy. Going home at 6:18 am drunk and leaving again leads me to believe that he was also probably using coke. I've found in my youth after an all nighter of drinking it's "crashtime" when I got home, unless there were some "other" stimulants involved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22170266 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:18:44 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22169351 capdjq : When will they learn. You are making millions of dollars. Just get a cab. Its just not worth it. Stallworth, if guilty, deserves everything he gets.
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said by Moorecards See Profile :

Report: Stallworth to be charged

»sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632
A Miami Beach police report said that Reyes was not in a crosswalk on busy MacArthur Causeway when he was struck by the black 2005 Bentley luxury car driven by Stallworth.
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The above sure puts to rest the rumor that Mr Reyes was in the crosswalk when he was run over. Even now I don't know why some said he was in the crosswalk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22167742 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:40:30 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22167493 fatness : Details

According to the warrant, Stallworth was drinking at the upscale Club Liv at the Fontainebleau in Miami Beach before returning to a home in Miami at 6:18 a.m. The affadavit didn't clarify whether or not the home was one of Stallworth's three residences in the Miami area.

About an hour later, he left again in his Bentley and struck and killed Reyes on the MacArthur Causeway, which connects Miami and Miami Beach. Reyes sustained critical head, chest and abdominal injuries, and died a short time later at Jackson Memorial Hospital's trauma center.

When officers arrived at the scene, Stallworth was standing outside his car, and told them, "I hit the man lying in the road.'' One of them reported that he smelled alcohol on Stallworth's breath and that his eyes looked "bloodshot and watery.''

A field sobriety test, part of which appears on a video obtained by the Miami Herald, was conducted and blood was drawn at the scene. The lab at the University of Miami revealed that his blood alcohol level was .126.

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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22167493 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:54:25 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22166912 Eagles LoveR : Browns | Stallworth charged with DUI manslaughter
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Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns WR Donte' Stallworth has been charged with one count of DUI manslaughter, which is a second-degree felony. Stallworth's bond will be set at $200,000 and will allow him to live in Florida and Ohio.
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Jennifer Lebovich, of The Miami Herald, reports Cleveland Browns WR Donte' Stallworth is expected to be charged with DUI manslaughter Wednesday, April 1. Blood tests revealed Stallworth had a blood alcohol level of .12 after his Saturday, March 14, crash, a source told The Miami Herald. Arrangements have been made for Stallworth to surrender to authorities, according to the source.
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»sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22165128 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:14:21 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22123060 Moorecards : another update

»sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/f···dex.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22123060 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:12:32 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22115689 Moorecards : He didn't kill a woman BTW, it was a man who just got off work at 7:00 am.

So if people think someone that kills someone while driving drunk, should anyone who kills someone while doing anything illegal (IE: robbery,mugging,being high one drugs) should they be put to death also? Seems some people want a eye for a eye.

and I have lost a freind to drunk driving and I do not condone it one bit, but it isn't the same a the one poster said as putting a gun to their kids head.

also I have known someone that has killed someone while drunk, he did his time in jail and since released, he has done nothing but good in teaching others the dangers of it but he has never been the same since.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22115689 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:21:18 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22115550 caddyroger :
said by The Law :

said by caddyroger See Profile :

I
I do not not believe with Snakeoil that it was murder in this case but I do believe if you kill while DWI then they should die also.
So you don't think its murder, but you still think he should be killed? WTF!
If you would read, I said that it wasn't not murder and Stallworth is also responsible for the women death by DWI. I also said that Stallworth should get about 10 years not death.
I rephrase part about the death. If a DWI person kills some who is not at fault or kills a group of people then he should get a death sentence He killed someone so he die also. Driving while drinking is dangerous and every knows it. When you DWI you know you could kill someone. I don't no sympathy for anyone who DWI and they deserve whats they get.
It is simple if you drink don't drive.
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said by caddyroger See Profile :

I
I do not not believe with Snakeoil that it was murder in this case but I do believe if you kill while DWI then they should die also.
So you don't think its murder, but you still think he should be killed? WTF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22115386 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:23:12 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22115011 caddyroger : II quoted the wrong section of The Law
Said by pro7070
He's probably looking at 3-5 years and The law replied with this.

Why? The girl was crossing the street where she shouldn't have been.

To me that telling me that Stallworth should not get any time in jail period. That telling me that it ok to hit people even when if you are DWI and not get any jail time. If ether one did make the mistake she would be alive. They both where at fault. Stallworth should get about 10 years but He might get 1.
I do not not believe with Snakeoil that it was murder in this case but I do believe if you kill while DWI then they should die also.
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Caddy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22115011 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:15:04 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22113789 Edge1 :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

Geesh what kind of world do you care bears live in any how?
Namecalling? Come on dude.

So your bottom line is DUI resulting in death of another human being = death penalty...we get it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22113789 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:29:47 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22113619 rody_44 : put me in the crowd that says accidents happen. he we will probably get 2 to 5 years jail time. also in my opinion a fitting punishment. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22113619 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:53:09 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22113445 fatness :
said by caddyroger See Profile :

So it ok for me to ran you over with my car. Then have the police give me a party for it.
He didn't say it's OK. Nobody else did either. It's just you and Snakeoil saying over and over that somebody thinks it's OK to run over pedestrians.

Why don't you stick to the subject without making up things other people didn't say? It's not that hard.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22113445 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:13:52 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111708 caddyroger :
said by the law :

said by Snakeoil See Profile :

How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone.

Never
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them.

Now, that's just stupid. One person's life was ruined, why ruin another?
So it ok for me to ran you over with my car. Then have the police give me a party for it.
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Caddy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111708 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:09:03 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111494 anon :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone.

Never
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them.

Now, that's just stupid. One person's life was ruined, why ruin another?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111494 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:08:34 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111462 Snakeoil : nah, I wouldn't really do that. But having known a person whose family was a victim of a drunk murder, I feel that the drunks who murder should die.

How many DUIs does it take to lock up a drunk? How many times have you heard of a 6 time DUI offender hitting and killing someone.

But yet we are supposed to have compassion for ass hats that drunk drunk and kill someone?

BS.. I say kill 'em and let the roads be safer without them.

The drunk murder saying "sorry" to the greiving family helps alot, I'm sure. The family will be so over whelmed with joy at the apoloy they would find forgiveness in their hearts for the one that killed a family member.

Geesh what kind of world do you care bears live in any how?

Me, I say kill him. Why? It could have been an accident if his was sober, but by being drunk, he had impaired judgment and control of his vehicle.

No mercy. Just strap him down and end him.

If I had done that, I would hope they would do the same with me.

But I know stars and athelets get a free pass and the fans will always kiss their ass.

The free passes need to stop.
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You demonstrate an understanding of murder which has convinced absolutely no one reading this thread. When several members disagree with you about your definition of murder, you express a desire to run over a family member of one of them.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111431 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:53:07 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111411 Snakeoil : Hopefully you'll never have a drunk kill someone in your family.

But then when he does, remember its not murder and we should have pity on him and understand why he mowed down your family member.
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Coolness, I'll do this next friday, but tell me where you live so its a family member of yours that I run down. That why I know you'll have compassion and understanding and will stand in my defence and plead for the law to slap my wrist.
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Omne initium est difficile]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111405 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:46:31 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111374 fatness : We don't know who was at fault, and how much, until the investigation is completed and the results are released (at trial or earlier). So assessing equal blame is just guessing. We don't know if Stallworth aggressively tried to avoid the pedestrian, or if he paid no attention and just mowed him down, or something more complicated in between those 2 extremes.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111374 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:38:38 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110435 caddyroger : Here my thoughts on this. The pedestrian and Stallworth are 50% each responsible. The pedestrian paid for his 50% mistake. Now it it is Stallworth turn to pay for the other 50% mistake. If Stallworth was not dwi his reaction time might have been quicker.
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Caddy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110435 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:18:31 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110393 Mats :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

Both acts are the same IMO.

And this is why you dont understand the definition of murder.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110393 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:04:22 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110021 anon :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

IMO, he knew he had to drive, he knew he was going to drink.

Just like if I were to pick up a firearm and I knew it was loaded when I put it to my kids head and pulled the trigger and killed him.

Both acts are the same IMO.
Then you have an extremely warped notion of what constitutes an 'equal offense'; what equals "the same".

. . what would have happened if that had been you or me driving drunk and killing someone?
We wouldn't be charged with first-degree murder ("cold-blooded") or on death row awaiting execution, that's for sure.

Post rational thoughts much?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110021 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:13:09 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109561 fatness :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

*Any ideas as to where in the street she was? Was she at the the curb when he hit her or towards the middle?
What was the lighting like, dark, gloomy, bright?]
I don't think those details are known, or will be known, until the police complete their investigation and things go to trial. There's a wide range of possibilities in what might have happened.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109561 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:46:24 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109482 Snakeoil : It is also murder to walk into a school, mall, place of business/worship and start shooting random people.

Just a different flavor.

In this case I'll take the line of agreeing to disagree with you on this.

Bottom line is:
1]Person stepped out in the street when the shouldn't have.
2]Stallworth was drunk.
3]He hit her.
*Any ideas as to where in the street she was? Was she at the the curb when he hit her or towards the middle?
What was the lighting like, dark, gloomy, bright?]
4]Neither was paying attention to the other. If they had been, maybe this accident could have been avoided. [how long was the skid mark if any, as anti-locks tend to leave little evidence, so I have heard].

There are manny ways in which this can be spun.
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Omne initium est difficile]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109482 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:14:16 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109453 fatness : So you're saying he picked out that guy, figured out his schedule, then showed up where and when he thought the guy would be crossing the street, and intentionally ran him over and killed him?

That's murder.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109453 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:04:30 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109447 Snakeoil : IMO, he knew he had to drive, he knew he was going to drink.

Just like if I were to pick up a firearm and I knew it was loaded when I put it to my kids head and pulled the trigger and killed him.

Both acts are the same IMO.

A driver is responsible for controling the vehicle at all times. I know accidents occur, hence that is way we need less distractions while we are driving [drivers on a cell phone have cause more then a few accidents].

Maybe if he was sober he'd have a better defence, but being drunk takes away all defence he had.

Besides that, what would have happened if that had been you or me driving drunk and killing someone?
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Omne initium est difficile]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109447 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:01:09 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109435 fatness :
said by Snakeoil See Profile :

But I understand the blleding hearts out there and the dog lovers will all cry out in out rage and sob for him saying "oh its his first time, everyone is entitled to 1 mistake"
Apparently you don't understand the definition of murder, or the concept of trials to establish guilt or innocence.
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goodbye dad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109435 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:52:46 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109113 anon : Seriously? For making a mistake? The victim practically stepped out in front of him.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109113 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:17:13 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109026 Snakeoil : I want him dead period. He commited cold blooded murder.

If he gets off, then the system owes Vick an apology and a large sum of cash.

Because that would mean we place a higher value on dogs vs humans.

Failing him getting executed, he should get locked up for 10 years, and never given a liscense to drive.

But I understand the blleding hearts out there and the dog lovers will all cry out in out rage and sob for him saying "oh its his first time, everyone is entitled to 1 mistake"

etc etc etc.

I say send a message and kill him or lock him up for life.
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Mind you StallworÞh will have high priced lawyers, so I'm guessing he'll end up with something like 3 years.
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said by shaner See Profile :

Craig McTavish of the NHL spent a year in prison due to the exact same thing when he played in Boston.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_MacT···nviction
A high school acquaintance of mine sister got 5 years for pulling out in front of speeding motorcycle. The motorcycle was going about 75 mph but she blew .10 or something. She had 2 young kids at the time. This was about 10 years ago. Of course they weren't rich and couldn't afford a big time lawyer.

I doubt the Athlete will get 5 years but he should get more than 1 year. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22106412 Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:43:27 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22103903 shaner : Craig McTavish of the NHL spent a year in prison due to the exact same thing when he played in Boston.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_MacT···nviction
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quote:
Detective Juan Sanchez, a spokesman for the Miami Beach police, would not confirm the results of the toxicology report.

"That has not been released or confirmed by us," Sanchez said by phone. "They went with that story without confirming it with us." Sanchez added that although results of Stallworth's blood test are due Friday, "we will not be releasing those results until we make an arrest."

WSVN also reported that police and Stallworth's lawyer, Robert Switke, are negotiating the terms of his surrender. Switke, reached by the Herald Thursday, said of the test results, "I have not seen them, and I have no comment."

and
quote:
Police have said Stallworth is cooperating fully with the probe.

»www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s···dru.html
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said by the law :

said by pro7070 See Profile :

He's probably looking at 3-5 years.
Why? The girl was crossing the street where she shouldn't have been.
Doesn't matter, he committed DUI manslaughter. She could have been doing cartwheels down the road but he was drunk and killed someone. he will do some time and I'm sure the NFL will suspend him as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22098448 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:50:39 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22098154 anon :
said by pro7070 See Profile :

He's probably looking at 3-5 years.
Why? The girl was crossing the street where she shouldn't have been.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22098154 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:53:31 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097878 pro7070 : He's probably looking at 3-5 years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097878 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:09:38 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097483 anon :
said by Assault See Profile :

So he must've had 4 lite beers instead of 3 he had to be totally wasted!
Right-- he wasn't trashed. You think that's going to matter?

He was over the legal limit while driving a car, and hit and killed a pedestrian.

He's in deep shit-- even if the pedestrian was crossing the road illegally, which he probably was.

(PUI = Posting Under the Influence)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097483 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:59:25 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097394 sailor : Former Yankee Jim Leyritz.

His field sobriety video is towards the end of the page and near the end the officer informs him that the woman he hit has died from her injuries.

»sports.rightpundits.com/?p=1590

»www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb···dui.html

Fredia Ann Veitch 1977-2007		 

Her vehicle
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097394 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:45:38 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097156 Assault : So he must've had 4 lite beers instead of 3 he had to be totally wasted!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097156 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:58:40 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097030 caddyroger : Don't worry he an athlete nothing will be done. :uhh:

»sports.myway.com/news/03192009/v5262.html

Browns' Stallworth Reportedly Drunk in Fatal Crash

MIAMI (AP) -A Miami television station and newspaper are reporting that blood tests show that Cleveland Brown wide receiver Donte Stallworth was driving drunk when he fatally struck a pedestrian last weekend.

WSVN-TV reported Thursday that unnamed sources with knowledge of the investigation say that Stallworth's blood-alcohol level was .12. The legal limit is .08. The Miami Herald also reported Thursday that an unnamed source says Stallworth's blood-alcohol level was above the legal limit.

The Miami Beach Police Department is refusing to confirm the reports.

No charges have been filed against the 28-year-old Stallworth. Neither his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, nor his attorney, Robert Switke, returned calls from The Associated Press seeking comment.

Victim Mario Reyes died Saturday after being struck by Stallworth's Bentley at 7 a.m. He had just finished an overnight shift at the Port of Miami and was walking to a bus stop. Browns' Stallworth Reportedly Drunk in Fatal Crash
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Caddy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22097030 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:35:54 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22071162 Loco : That sucks !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22071162 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:47:24 EDT Re: [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22069810 Edge1 : That is just terrible. There's been some real tragedy this offseason what with the boating incident and now this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22069810 Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:19:55 EDT [NFL] Browns WR Stallworth hits, kills Fla. pedestrian http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22068695 sailor : No arrest at the scene so hopefully, pending blood test results, he was clean and it was truly a tragic accident.

»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090314/ap_···n_killed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22068695 Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:11:20 EDT