Re: Yet more evidence... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22076180 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:01:41 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:01:41 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22088127 morbo :
said by r0gerr :

said by morbo See Profile :

said by nordoI :

Charter makes over 1 BILLION a year. The issue is the debt load, which Chapter 11 is helping them with. They make plenty of money.
if they are making plenty of money then they would be able to service their debt. hottboiinnc is right: they got too big, too fast. buying too many cable plants for too much money.

of course, bankruptcy will help them!
You just repeated what he said. lol

Charter does make plenty. They just have the debt load. After Chap11 I can see them coming out a lot better.
my point is that anyone can make money if you wipe out their outstanding debt. even someone with 100k in credit card loans and a million dollar mortgage with an average job can "make" money if you simply erase their debt. it's more important to look at what got them into that situation and avoid it in the future. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22088127 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:38:52 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22085310 anon :
said by morbo See Profile :

said by nordoI :

Charter makes over 1 BILLION a year. The issue is the debt load, which Chapter 11 is helping them with. They make plenty of money.
if they are making plenty of money then they would be able to service their debt. hottboiinnc is right: they got too big, too fast. buying too many cable plants for too much money.

of course, bankruptcy will help them!
You just repeated what he said. lol

Charter does make plenty. They just have the debt load. After Chap11 I can see them coming out a lot better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22085310 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:25:20 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22078707 anon :
said by baineschile See Profile :

That servicing country/rural areas is not profitable for broadband and TV. Too much wiring, for too few consumers.
Perhaps you'd be happy then to move to Washington DC to live just like any or all of the other lemmings that link that way...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22078707 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:59:23 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22077430 tiger72 :
said by NetAdmin See Profile :

It is proof that a company saddled with mountains of debt, poor management and poor customer service is a company that isn't long for this world. That was the problem that Charter has.
And high prices. Their high prices may be alright in the boonies, but in the cities it served (like St. Louis, and parts of DFW) ATT and Verizon are a much, much better deal.
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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

if you use a reseller of the EVDO service via VZ there is NO cap at all. That has been talked and talked about on here before.

Also a reseller of VZW service offers Unlimited national calling over the VZW wireless voice network for $85 month to month- a lot less than what VZW charges.
which part of "that does not exist in my area" is hard to comprehend?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22077014 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:58:25 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076991 MOTO6809 : You are right, they paid too much for the systems they bought. That along with the shady upper management team they had really killed them.

I think Neil and the current team can turn it around, but they have a lot of work ahead of them to do so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076991 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:53:31 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076786 hottboiinnc : if you use a reseller of the EVDO service via VZ there is NO cap at all. That has been talked and talked about on here before.

Also a reseller of VZW service offers Unlimited national calling over the VZW wireless voice network for $85 month to month- a lot less than what VZW charges.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076786 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:19:34 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076770 me1212 : Ok yeah the reseller is the only way for the no cap, but if they can resell the 60m well I would like that. If you can get sprint you can use it. Yes they will take sprint if you can't ger verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076770 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:17:25 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076652 BF69 :
said by me1212 See Profile :

I cannot justify the $256(I too say "WTF?".) A 100gb-250gb or even no cap look more likely, looking at their other internet services(DSL/FiOS). Anyway I know how to get verizon with no cap now, and I plan too in a few months. Mobile+no cap= win.
don't expect that no cap to last too long. Once again I stated actual verizon service not a reseller. In my area you can only get verizon for 3G, that's it. And sorry there is no "cap free" option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076652 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:01:08 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076519 me1212 : I cannot justify the $256(I too say "WTF?".) A 100gb-250gb or even no cap look more likely, looking at their other internet services(DSL/FiOS). Anyway I know how to get verizon with no cap now, and I plan too in a few months. Mobile+no cap= win.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076519 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:38:56 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076502 me1212 : Thank you hottboiinnc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076502 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:35:37 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076469 hottboiinnc : »www.attalascom.com/home/internet···eed.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076469 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:30:39 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076464 BF69 :
said by me1212 See Profile :

Yup, you only have so much wire, but repeaters can be used(to an extent) to boost the ranger of wireless. It makes it easier to serve rural areas, it can put out the same speeds as DSL and cable verizon is even working on(or so I hear) 60m wireless. With a 5gb cap you can not do much, but when they get it out they most likely will up the cap.
yeah to what 10 GB maybe 15 GB? Cap or not cap, how do you justify Verzion charging $256 per GB overage?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076464 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:30:01 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076457 me1212 : What kinda speed? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076457 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:28:54 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076452 BF69 :
said by baineschile See Profile :

That servicing country/rural areas is not profitable for broadband and TV. Too much wiring, for too few consumers.
That's not why Charter is $20 billion in debt. Try getting some facts first.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076452 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:27:52 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076421 hottboiinnc : VZ maybe working on it but ATT already has Wireless in AK. it makes more sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076421 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:22:38 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076392 me1212 : Yup, you only have so much wire, but repeaters can be used(to an extent) to boost the ranger of wireless. It makes it easier to serve rural areas, it can put out the same speeds as DSL and cable verizon is even working on(or so I hear) 60m wireless. With a 5gb cap you can not do much, but when they get it out they most likely will up the cap. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076392 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:17:18 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076379 hottboiinnc : very true!.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076379 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:12:59 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076347 me1212 : 1. One word: wireless. 2. just put internet then, or DSL may cost less. If done correctly rural areas can be profitable if they were not there would be no WISPs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076347 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:06:05 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076268 morbo :
said by nordoI :

Charter makes over 1 BILLION a year. The issue is the debt load, which Chapter 11 is helping them with. They make plenty of money.
if they are making plenty of money then they would be able to service their debt. hottboiinnc is right: they got too big, too fast. buying too many cable plants for too much money.

of course, bankruptcy will help them! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076268 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:51:58 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076232 NetAdmin : It is proof that a company saddled with mountains of debt, poor management and poor customer service is a company that isn't long for this world. That was the problem that Charter has. It has nothing to due with them serving rural areas because they service some lucrative suburban/rural areas that, if they had decent management, would make them a very profitable company.
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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

Charter just has issues with spending too much money and not making anything.
Charter makes over 1 BILLION a year. The issue is the debt load, which Chapter 11 is helping them with. They make plenty of money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076180 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:35:06 EDT Re: Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076086 hottboiinnc : I wouldn't count all of their areas country or rural by far. St. Louis by far is not country or even rural. Charter got too big too fast and the only way they are the size they are is by picking up areas from other companies they didn't want.

But yet TWC services LOTS of rural areas in Ohio and i don't see them having any problems. Charter just has issues with spending too much money and not making anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076086 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:16:38 EDT Yet more evidence... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076066 baineschile : That servicing country/rural areas is not profitable for broadband and TV. Too much wiring, for too few consumers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22076066 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:12:38 EDT