AllThumbs
join:2006-02-07
Pawleys Island, SC
| reply to caseydoug
Re: Connecting to Google Voice Via SIP
Sad to see Google has closed off SIP access.  At a time when Skype is opening up their service to SIP, you'd think Google of all companies could see the telephony writing on the wall. Otherwise, they'll end up in the same boat as AOL with their Internet telephony venture. Click-to-Dial is cute to show your nerdy friends, but no one is going to use it very long for real phone calls. And, their calling rates are nothing to write home about except for the U.S. calling teaser which no doubt will vanish in the next few months. Too bad! |
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caseydoug
join:2001-08-14
Seattle, WA
| reply to mazilo
mazilo, I understand that his SIP account is Gizmo. It is no trick to avoid entering the PIN when calling in from your Gizmo account provided you call the GV PSTN number. If he was able to avoid the PIN when calling the GV SIP address, however, that would be significant.
Of course, all of this is academic if GV has shut down SIP access. |
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mazilo
From Mazilo
Premium
join:2002-05-30
Lilburn, GA
| said by caseydoug  :mazilo, I understand that his SIP account is Gizmo. That's my first impression. However, unless the poster is confused Gizmo with SIP, s/he indicated his ATA is configured with Gizmo (on Line 1) and SIP (on Line 2) accounts.
It is no trick to avoid entering the PIN when calling in from your Gizmo account provided you call the GV PSTN number. Yes and you can use asterisk to do the trick.
If he was able to avoid the PIN when calling the GV SIP address, however, that would be significant. That's why I responded to his post to find out.
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
 ·ViaTalk
 ·Comcast
| reply to AllThumbs
said by AllThumbs :Click-to-Dial is cute to show your nerdy friends, but no one is going to use it very long for real phone calls. And this is exactly why they either killed or will kill SIP access. They don't want to become your next phone company for free.  |
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Oroman
@cox.net
| reply to mazilo
Guys, I told you I was a novice at this stuff, but I’m not a complete idiot. I thought I was clear on what I did. I even gave you the config of the second port on my ATA, but apparently I wasn’t clear enough. I believe the second port on my ATA is straight SIP. I did log on to GV with it and got the voice prompt without a PIN.
Mazilo, the second port on my ATA is not really a Gizmo account. I am not providing any Gizmo account information. I am using the Gizmo’s proxy server, but according to caseydoug I could have used any other free server.
SIP is the name I assigned to the phone. It was defined as HOME.
I was not routing any GV calls to the SIP phone. I defined it in the GV phone list to avoid having to enter a PIN. I disabled (unchecked) it to prevent GV from trying to route calls to it. A disabled phone equals PIN problem (nothing to do with SIP or PSTN) which requires the PIN FIX.
Caseydoug, did you define your SIP phone on the GV phone list? If it was defined did you disable it? Did you try to duplicate the PIN problem on a PSTN phone by disabling it? If not please try. Then apply my fix by adding a dummy contact with the same number as your PSTN phone and only route calls from that dummy contact to the disabled phone. |
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Oroman
@cox.net
| caseydoug ,
I said ‘Then apply my fix by adding a dummy contact with the same number as your PSTN phone and only route calls from that dummy contact to the disabled phone.’
I should have said ‘Then apply my fix by adding a dummy contact with the same number as your PSTN phone and route calls from that dummy contact to the disabled phone and no other phones in your list.’ You can route other contact phone calls to the disabled phone.
I think GV has a problem with a contact having the same number as one in the phone list. After I added the dummy contact and I was editing several contacts and GV would not allow me to put a check next to some contacts. Logging off and back on fixes this problem. This never happen before adding the dummy contact. |
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soitgoes2
Premium
join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| reply to AllThumbs
said by AllThumbs :Click-to-Dial is cute to show your nerdy friends, but no one is going to use it very long for real phone calls. Some will, but most won't (and that's good enough). |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD | reply to caseydoug
Is there a way to set Google Voice to always require a PIN to access the account functions? The way it currently works, anyone who knows your numbers and can set outbound CID can access your account and messages. |
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
 ·AT&T Midwest
| said by cbrain :Is there a way to set Google Voice to always require a PIN to access the account functions? Settings > Phones > Edit > Show Advanced Settings > Voicemail Settings > Yes (Require pressing star and entering PIN to check voicemails from this phone) |
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caseydoug
join:2001-08-14
Seattle, WA
| reply to Oroman
said by Oroman :
Caseydoug, did you define your SIP phone on the GV phone list?
I am not able to define a SIP phone (other than Gizmo) in the GV phone list (Settings/Phones). I have been out of town all week, so I can't really test this properly now, but when I did, it wouldn't let me save my SIP address, which begins with letters. I WAS able to save a SIP address beginning with numbers (e.g., Callcentric or Gizmo), but as I recall, the Callcentric number ended up ringing on a PSTN number I didn't recognize in the 206 area code (I think I discussed this earlier in this thread). Others apparently got different results (cbrain, for example), so maybe I entered the number improperly. I'll try it again when I get home.
I am still trying to figure out what GV does with various types of phone entry in both Contacts and Phones. It looked to me like entries in the form "number@domain.com" were being truncated so that only the number was dialed. On the other hand, when I tried to dial a SIP number in the form "name3-201@domain.com," GV told me it was charging 2 cents per minute, and then it commenced to ring (no one answered). Again, this will take more work, assuming GV will permit any SIP dialing at all. |
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mbuugg
join:2008-04-04
| To summerize, GV does not accept SIP address in phone settings. What Oroman did was, he entered a fake number 1234567890 in his GV phone list, checked it and set it to not ask for PIN. And in his ATA, he used a fake CID 1234567890 with the outbound proxy set to be the GV proxy. The whole thing has nothing to do with GV accepting SIP address in phone list. 
GV closed the backdoor for the outsider to directly access its SIP proxy. That may be a consideration of Ads revenue or being abused, it is also a big security hole. |
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Pinan
Hypnotic Tweaker
ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-09-02
Murrieta, CA
1 edit | reply to cbrain
said by cbrain :1. Is there a way to set Google Voice to always require a PIN to access the account functions? 2. The way it currently works, anyone who knows your numbers and can set outbound CID can access your account and messages. 1. By Default, that is how it's set.
2. They would have to dial from the (your) phone in question.
Edit: I wonder if someone could indeed access your account by manipulating their own CID....? This would only work though if you changed the default setting to "No" (from Yes) for using a PIN. |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse for Bus..
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VoiceStick
| said by ArgMeMatey :Settings > Phones > Edit > Show Advanced Settings > Voicemail Settings > Yes (Require pressing star and entering PIN to check voicemails from this phone) Thanks.
said by Pinan :1. By Default, that is how it's set. 2. They would have to dial from the (your) phone in question. Edit: I wonder if someone could indeed access your account by manipulating their own CID....? This would only work though if you changed the default setting to "No" (from Yes) for using a PIN. For cell phones, the default is no PIN. I'm taking a good look at how to make best use of this service now. I use Asterisk. I set my extension to my cell number and made a test call. It was answered without PIN request to give me access to messages and dial out. Took less than a minute to make the change. There is a legitimate use for this feature and most won't abuse it ... but it is way too easy. |
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
·callwithus
·voip.ms
1 edit | reply to nitzan
GoogleVoice deliberately killed off SIP access.
In fact, the folks at Voxilla, among others, apparently suggested that they do so.
See:
»voxilla.com/2009/03/24/despite-f···ain-1627
Furthermore:
"...Voxilla has contacted Google officials to make them aware of the remaining security vulnerability and to ask for comment. We will post updates when we hear back from them...." |
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Test99
Premium
join:2003-04-24
San Jose, CA | Let's hope that's not the end of VOIP access to Google Voice. Without full VOIP access, Google Voice seems irrelevant. |
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pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
·ooma
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Comcast
|  I like GC and will like Google Voice once I move to it.
Eventually Google will provide phone access. It will probably be by purchase of a VOIP provider.
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PX Eliezer
Premium
join:2008-08-09
New Jersey
·Callcentric
·Optimum Voice
·callwithus
·voip.ms
| reply to Test99
said by Test99 :Let's hope that's not the end of VOIP access to Google Voice. Without full VOIP access, Google Voice seems irrelevant. Agreed. But for the mindset of the Googlefins (Google staff boffins), nothing counts unless the display of a web page is somehow a part of the process.
Remember, Google was founded by Larry PAGE and thus their whole world revolves around web pages.
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It seems ironic for Voxilla to be concerned about security, considering how their forum is prone to spam links about, shall we say, proper up-bringing. Think of the TV commercial with the two bathtubs on the beach. How do they get those bathtubs on the beach, anyway?
To add insult to injury, on one Voxilla forum, every time the guy posted another spam link about pills (the pills that make it easier to be harder), Voxilla was sending me an e-mail notification of a new posting. Thus, I was receiving SPAM announcing SPAM. True Monty Python.
A pox on Voxilla. |
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Test99
Premium
join:2003-04-24
San Jose, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·InPhonex
1 edit | said by PX Eliezer :Remember, Google was founded by Larry PAGE and thus their whole world revolves around web pages. ROFL! 
Poxilla? (OT, but hey - it's Friday!) |
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caseydoug
join:2001-08-14
Seattle, WA
| reply to mbuugg
said by mbuugg :To summerize, GV does not accept SIP address in phone settings. What Oroman did was, he entered a fake number 1234567890 in his GV phone list, checked it and set it to not ask for PIN. And in his ATA, he used a fake CID 1234567890 with the outbound proxy set to be the GV proxy. The whole thing has nothing to do with GV accepting SIP address in phone list. You are right, and I apologize to Oroman for not reading his earlier post carefully enough. My ATA supports a second line, but requires that it use the same SIP proxy address and outbound proxy address for both lines. It is therefore difficult to create a "dummy" user id without losing use of the adapter for other providers. In fact I was trying to change the name on my pbxes user account so that I would have a numeric user id which GV would "recognize" (otherwise, it comes through as "unknown," which I believe I discussed earlier in this thread). I never got around to doing that.
But Oroman's trick is pretty interesting in another respect. He said he was able to dial his GV number by adding that GV IP address as an outbound proxy server address, and then just autodialing the GV number. In other words, he used a Gizmo SIP server, a Google IP address as an Outbound Proxy server, and then dialed his Google Voice number (was it the PSTN version, without the @, or was it just a 10 digit number?). That is very strange indeed, inasmuch as one shouldn't be able to use an outbound proxy server that way. For example, to make a SIP call to my Lingo phone, one would enter number@SipProxyServer, not number@OutboundProxyServer. Outbound proxy servers (border session controlers) help navigate the network; to my knowledge, they don't set up the call.
I'm not saying it can't be done; I just don't understand it. Oroman, since you say you autodialed your GV number, did it include the IP address as part of the number dialed, or was it just a 10 digit number? If the latter, is there any possibility that the call went out over PSTN via your Gizmo account?
Unfortunately, we may never get to test this because GV has shut down SIP access. It would be interesting to know just what that IP address was. |
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celtic
join:2001-02-08
USA | reply to caseydoug
Are any of the SIP options currently working? |
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