xcal78
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Re: [WotLK] Whats the level 80 pve spec for mages?
said by Margolis  :personally I like arcane. simple spell rotation of 3 arcane blasts. then if missile barrage has proc'd you fire arcane missiles followed by an arcane barrage. If missile barrage didn't proc, then you follow the 3 arcane blasts with an arcane barrage. rinse and repeat. Yea this works in 3.0.9 - I'm hearing fire looking like the best in 3.1 but till they fix all the bugs it's hard to test or verify that. |
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Margolis
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| said by xcal78 :said by Margolis :personally I like arcane. simple spell rotation of 3 arcane blasts. then if missile barrage has proc'd you fire arcane missiles followed by an arcane barrage. If missile barrage didn't proc, then you follow the 3 arcane blasts with an arcane barrage. rinse and repeat. Yea this works in 3.0.9 - I'm hearing fire looking like the best in 3.1 but till they fix all the bugs it's hard to test or verify that. that would be quite a change! And would be a good thing. Currently I have yet to see a fire mage that can even do 50% of the damage of an arcane mage with the same level gear. |
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xcal78
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4 edits | said by Margolis :said by xcal78 :said by Margolis :personally I like arcane. simple spell rotation of 3 arcane blasts. then if missile barrage has proc'd you fire arcane missiles followed by an arcane barrage. If missile barrage didn't proc, then you follow the 3 arcane blasts with an arcane barrage. rinse and repeat. Yea this works in 3.0.9 - I'm hearing fire looking like the best in 3.1 but till they fix all the bugs it's hard to test or verify that. that would be quite a change! And would be a good thing. Currently I have yet to see a fire mage that can even do 50% of the damage of an arcane mage with the same level gear. Arcane isn't the best dps right now per EJ website. I use arcane myself but I like mana regen and the loss in dps isn't really that big right now between FFB and arcane specs. FFB is still the best dps. If a fire mage can't do 50% of the dps they player needs to quite mage and try a new game. I've seen 25 man geared mages pulling 1,400 dps so maybe you've seen some crappy players. 5 minutes on any good mage website will show you arcane or fire is good dps.
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tekmunki
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1 edit | said by xcal78 :Arcane isn't the best dps right now per EJ website. I use arcane myself but I like mana regen and the loss in dps isn't really that big right now between FFB and arcane specs. FFB is still the best dps. If a fire mage can't do 50% of the dps they player needs to quite mage and try a new game. I've seen 25 man geared mages pulling 1,400 dps so maybe you've seen some crappy players. 5 minutes on any good mage website will show you arcane or fire is good dps. The absolute highest dps build right now is an 18/53/0 fireball build, but the untalented hit rating required + the absolute reliance on having dying curse + ids trinkets, requires and absolute best in slot mage to pull it off. I only see about 1 or 2 mages on my own server pull this off, they usually see about 5.5-6k dps.
Second in actual play DPS is arcane mages with totw and pushback reduction. Avg geared DPS 4.5-5k
A close third is FFB, however can easily pass arcane if they have a good night with crits. Arcane is proven a reliable, consistent DPS. Avg geared DPS, 4k on avg, 7k on a good night (usually only one or two bosses see this number) - the crit variance is so high on FFB mages, RNG crittage is not a reliable method to gear once you're at least naxx10 geared.
Boss fights ^ not trash.
Keep in mind, EJ math is mostly based on single target without unpredicted outside variances, mostly using target dummies for verification. |
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xcal78
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1 edit | said by tekmunki :said by xcal78 :Arcane isn't the best dps right now per EJ website. I use arcane myself but I like mana regen and the loss in dps isn't really that big right now between FFB and arcane specs. FFB is still the best dps. If a fire mage can't do 50% of the dps they player needs to quite mage and try a new game. I've seen 25 man geared mages pulling 1,400 dps so maybe you've seen some crappy players. 5 minutes on any good mage website will show you arcane or fire is good dps. The absolute highest dps build right now is an 18/53/0 fireball build, but the untalented hit rating required + the absolute reliance on having dying curse + ids trinkets, requires and absolute best in slot mage to pull it off. I only see about 1 or 2 mages on my own server pull this off, they usually see about 5.5-6k dps. Second in actual play DPS is arcane mages with totw and pushback reduction. Avg geared DPS 4.5-5k A close third is FFB, however can easily pass arcane if they have a good night with crits. Arcane is proven a reliable, consistent DPS. Avg geared DPS, 4k on avg, 7k on a good night (usually only one or two bosses see this number) - the crit variance is so high on FFB mages, RNG crittage is not a reliable method to gear once you're at least naxx10 geared. Boss fights ^ not trash. Keep in mind, EJ math is mostly based on single target without unpredicted outside variances, mostly using target dummies for verification. Per EJ:
Spec: 0.53.18 Frostfire
Spell Stats
Crit Rate: 589 - 46.91%
Hit Rate: 290 - 17.06%
Haste: 537 (/32.789 = 16.37%)
Casting Speed: 1.259
Spell Power: 2691
DPS: 5917.72
Spec: 18.53.0 Fireball
Spell Stats
Crit Rate: 429 - 49.42%
Hit Rate: 369 - 17.07%
Haste: 579 (/32.789 = 17.66%)
Casting Speed: 1.273
Spell Power: 2712
DPS: 6254.69
Generally the recommened path is spec Arcane once you hit 80 until you can get like 2,000+ SP and 35-40%+ crits then respec to fire. Lots of mages spec too early so they give fire the appearance of being weaker then arcane end-game which isn't true. Poor players and gear is to account for the lack of dps in those specs not the spec itself. Arcane is much much easier to play to get the dps. A bad arcane player can get the same dps as an average fire player. |
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tekmunki
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| I agree and thank you.
^ you're basically reiterating what I stated, however I feel it's better to go FFB once at 80 to help the raid as a whole with scorch buffing if the raid doesn't already have someone doing it. Otherwise, yes, arcane it up if you are looking solely at your own dps. |
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xcal78
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3 edits | said by tekmunki :I agree and thank you. ^ you're basically reiterating what I stated, however I feel it's better to go FFB once at 80 to help the raid as a whole with scorch buffing if the raid doesn't already have someone doing it. Otherwise, yes, arcane it up if you are looking solely at your own dps. Agreed.  I actually rolled my mage because of a few things but one was the only consistant mage in the guild who raided is arcane. I want scorch to help the raid and the other mage refused to respec because he said his dps would drop a little. I don't raid a ton yet on my mage as I'm trying to get another restro druid up to replace me first so I can switch over to dps. I use arcane mainly for heroics, pug raids, and solo'ing. Soon as I start raiding with guild I'll respec fire for scorch. |
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tekmunki
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| We usually roll with 3 mages in our raid.
1 Fireball, 2 Arcane
I put focus on the fire mage, the fireball mage focuses the other arcane mage, and that mages focuses me.
Added up, the 3 of us combined DPS on patchwerk is around 20k dps. I'll wws the 25man run Friday and post it in here for oogling.  |
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