S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Nothing is sacred...
Why don't people change the defaults....I guess alpha-numeric is too big of a concept to grasp! |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | It's our plug and play culture. People just want to plug in things and have them work.
Security? What's that? |
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dcurrey
Premium
join:2004-06-29 | reply to S_engineer
I am in range of 3 wireless networks. 2 of them are close enough to connect to. Even logged into routers. Guess I should change the default password for them at least. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
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said by S_engineer  :Why don't people change the defaults....I guess alpha-numeric is too big of a concept to grasp! Probably because there's no real incentive to do so. ISPs won't disconnect users who do not take security seriously.
However, most off-the-shelf routers have these ports plugged by default. The same usually goes for remote access to the router. In most cases, someone would have to go out of their way to open these ports or enable remote web access to a router.
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aefstoggaflm
Open Source Fan
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join:2002-03-04
Bethlehem, PA
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said by dcurrey :I am in range of 3 wireless networks. 2 of them are close enough to connect to. Even logged into routers. Guess I should change the default password for them at least. I would not do that, if I were you.
Because connecting to another network that you do not own is illegal.
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SSX4life
Premium
join:2004-02-13
·RoadRunner Cable
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um..... i've got DDWRT v. 24 but no defaults and a fairly heavy password.
should I disable SSH even though I use it from time to time? =/
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by SSX4life :should I disable SSH even though I use it from time to time? =/ Personally I use a VPN to get into my home network. I used to have SSH open when I had a linux box on the other end but I disabled root logins and had a pretty strong password for the other accounts. I never had a problem.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
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said by pnh102 :Probably because there's no real incentive to do so. ISPs won't disconnect users who do not take security seriously. That's because they'd lose 3/4 of their customer base. ISPs these days cater primarily to non computer savvy people. Unfortunately we the computer savvy folks get lumped in with them too. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
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said by aefstoggaflm :said by dcurrey :I am in range of 3 wireless networks. 2 of them are close enough to connect to. Even logged into routers. Guess I should change the default password for them at least. I would not do that, if I were you. Because connecting to another network that you do not own is illegal. That's not entirely accurate.
First of all, there's no federal law as of yet of such and such cases are being handled on either a state by state or municipality by municipality case basis.
Secondly, connecting to another network you do not known is not illegal. "Maliciously" connecting to another network you do not own is illegal.
Additionally, Simply the wording alone of what you stated is too broad and makes the entire premise of the internet illegal, after all, aren't you merely "connecting to another network that you do not own"? |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
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said by SSX4life :um..... i've got DDWRT v. 24 but no defaults and a fairly heavy password. should I disable SSH even though I use it from time to time? =/ Yes. I'd suggest just using a VPN and Telnet. I used to keep a PPTP server open for myself. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
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said by Eat Me :It's our plug and play culture. People just want to plug in things and have them work. Security? What's that? Heh, 5 networks in range of me at home are still carrying the SSID's:
linksys
d-link
belkin
eHome |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to dcurrey
Every day, I pass by dozens unsecured open WiFi connections.
Similarly, I pass by hundreds of secured (default naming 2WIRE-xxx) wifi routers. It fills up the screen on my HTC Tilt.
I personally use Ethernet over powerline - HDX101 200Mbps bridge. Better range, more stable, and doesn't mess up with my bluetooth.
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Eat Me
True. But ISPs could do "rebates" like ATT does for Wireless Routers. All 2Wire routers come with some sort of WEP or other security setting turned on. Each is also different for each router. And they print the code bottom next to the MAC address. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
·Future Nine Corpor..
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| said by hottboiinnc :True. But ISPs could do "rebates" like ATT does for Wireless Routers. All 2Wire routers come with some sort of WEP or other security setting turned on. Each is also different for each router. And they print the code bottom next to the MAC address. They could but they don't. They could also do like Verizon and offer their own routers free with the install. But even Verizon leaves the default WEP kep open.
What they could do (someone else suggested this) is simply make the password unique for each router, such as the serial number. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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said by PapaMidnight :said by aefstoggaflm :said by dcurrey :I am in range of 3 wireless networks. 2 of them are close enough to connect to. Even logged into routers. Guess I should change the default password for them at least. I would not do that, if I were you. Because connecting to another network that you do not own is illegal. That's not entirely accurate. First of all, there's no federal law as of yet of such and such cases are being handled on either a state by state or municipality by municipality case basis. Secondly, connecting to another network you do not known is not illegal. "Maliciously" connecting to another network you do not own is illegal. Additionally, Simply the wording alone of what you stated is too broad and makes the entire premise of the internet illegal, after all, aren't you merely "connecting to another network that you do not own"? another thing to add to yours is that if it where 100% illegal to connect to wifi that isnt yours then 1000s of windows users would be guilty without pushing a button. i have seen winXP laptops that see default SSID'd WLANs with no security and just autoconnect with no user input.
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Eat Me
thats also what i said. ATT does this with 2-Wire |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
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said by en102 :I personally use Ethernet over powerline - HDX101 200Mbps bridge. Better range, more stable, and doesn't mess up with my bluetooth. Also expensive as hell. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :True. But ISPs could do "rebates" like ATT does for Wireless Routers. All 2Wire routers come with some sort of WEP or other security setting turned on. Each is also different for each router. And they print the code bottom next to the MAC address. You aren't seriously suggesting WEP is "security"? :P
Though I have seen cases, especially with people still using old 802.11b equipment - though they may have g routers (And why replace it? It works for them) - be limited to using WEP. |
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k1ll3rdr4g0n
join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
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said by PapaMidnight :said by aefstoggaflm :said by dcurrey :I am in range of 3 wireless networks. 2 of them are close enough to connect to. Even logged into routers. Guess I should change the default password for them at least. I would not do that, if I were you. Because connecting to another network that you do not own is illegal. That's not entirely accurate. First of all, there's no federal law as of yet of such and such cases are being handled on either a state by state or municipality by municipality case basis. Secondly, connecting to another network you do not known is not illegal. "Maliciously" connecting to another network you do not own is illegal. Additionally, Simply the wording alone of what you stated is too broad and makes the entire premise of the internet illegal, after all, aren't you merely "connecting to another network that you do not own"? Lets start our own lawyer firm  .
But in all reality, connecting to a network that you do not have authorization for is most likely illegal as its not *your* network. If you leave the door open to your house, does that give the right to walk in and out as I please?
As far as using network resources, that is illegal - revisiting the concept of the open door. Is it legal for me to walk in your house and turn on your faucet to fill my glass with water that you pay for? Even if you have access to a system, resource, or wireless router does NOT mean you have authorization to use said items. Accessing a system, resource, or wireless router without authorization IS illegal. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :If you leave the door open to your house, does that give the right to walk in and out as I please? No, but if you lived around here someone would close the door for you if it seemed the right thing to do. I've closed my neighbors backyard gate and back door many times when the dog has opened it (smart dog). Yeah, it's trespassing, but intent has more to do with criminal charges than you seem to realise. |
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