Re: Amazing.... Abuse of Power in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22128729 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:31:12 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:31:12 EDT Re: Amazing.... Abuse of Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22129828 Tzale :
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said by knightmb See Profile :

said by KrK See Profile :

Sorry, it wasn't stupid. It was chosen for just the right feel, actually.
I agree, not even sure why he/she even brought up "stupid comment" so in the spirit of things.
Let's review:
Does Germany have laws on the books saying it's illegal to embarrass their Government/mein Führer by publishing the truth?
Stupid may not be the right word. How about ignorant? Or infantile? Or uninformed? Those are all significantly more accurate since germany has laws on the books (and has had for decades) to the most extreme contrary to what was posited. You are not allowed to in any way support Nazism or criticize the realities of the holocaust.

Germans are constantly critical of their government. Almost to a fault (they really do complain about the most minor things), and most of the things that Germany blocks are sites like the KKK websites in America - right-radical sites.

Now, on a personal level, I deeply disagree with that. I think it's disgusting to censor speech - however depraved - that the majority doesn't like. However, the reason they suppress that speech is because of ignorant people making comments like you made above. If they didn't restrict it, you'd call them all Nazis for allowing Nazis to gather. Now that they suppress it, you call them Nazis.
There is nothing "conservative" at all about the KKK... Please don't call them radicals on the right... Radicals on the right would submit little to no government (some libertarians / anarchists)..
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Your point that about Germany censoring the far right/nazi political spectrum is valid, but isn't really part of the point of the comment other then that viewpoint is also on the blacklist. The point you apparently missed in the "stupid" comment was that that type of Censorship is just like something the Third Reich WOULD do which is ironic given Germany's hypersensitive efforts to not touch the Nazi past at all. So, in efforts to not appear to tolerate Nazism they are acting exactly like ... Nazis. Ironic, eh?

And it's not just the nazi sites on the blacklist, as has been shown.... really the main point is that this censorship is a bad idea in general, and is being abused, whether they mean well by blocking Child Porn or Nazi related sites, it quickly spreads to other things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22128729 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:00:16 EDT Re: Amazing.... Abuse of Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22128188 DataRiker :
said by knightmb See Profile :

said by KrK See Profile :

Sorry, it wasn't stupid. It was chosen for just the right feel, actually.
I agree, not even sure why he/she even brought up "stupid comment" so in the spirit of things.

Also agree, I didn't find anything stupid about Krk's comment.

Many, i included are aware already of Germany's speech laws regarding the holocaust. His question is unrelated in that manner.

His question was obviously rhetorical(possible even sarcastic), and even if it were not I still can't follow your Nazi connection.

Your comment comes off as kind of obsessed with Nazi/holocaust speech laws.

Way to go Wikileaks, hopefully this will embarrass the German government enough to stop this practice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22128188 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:16:20 EDT Re: Amazing.... Abuse of Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22128166 tiger72 :
said by knightmb See Profile :

said by KrK See Profile :

Sorry, it wasn't stupid. It was chosen for just the right feel, actually.
I agree, not even sure why he/she even brought up "stupid comment" so in the spirit of things.
Let's review:
Does Germany have laws on the books saying it's illegal to embarrass their Government/mein Führer by publishing the truth?
Stupid may not be the right word. How about ignorant? Or infantile? Or uninformed? Those are all significantly more accurate since germany has laws on the books (and has had for decades) to the most extreme contrary to what was posited. You are not allowed to in any way support Nazism or criticize the realities of the holocaust.

Germans are constantly critical of their government. Almost to a fault (they really do complain about the most minor things), and most of the things that Germany blocks are sites like the KKK websites in America - right-radical sites.

Now, on a personal level, I deeply disagree with that. I think it's disgusting to censor speech - however depraved - that the majority doesn't like. However, the reason they suppress that speech is because of ignorant people making comments like you made above. If they didn't restrict it, you'd call them all Nazis for allowing Nazis to gather. Now that they suppress it, you call them Nazis.
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said by KrK See Profile :

Sorry, it wasn't stupid. It was chosen for just the right feel, actually.
I agree, not even sure why he/she even brought up "stupid comment" so in the spirit of things.

Why is the registrar owner being raided again? So now your house is raid just for being the domain owner. Wow, time to register "wikileaks.tv" to Comcast CEO, and I'll go ahead and register "wikileaks.info" to the AT&T CEO.

The two should cancel each other out in a fight for power.
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said by tiger72 See Profile :

A perfect example being the United States. We all know that our government is corrupt and abuses its power constantly, yet good luck finding a single newspaper mention the words "our government" and "corrupt" in the same sentence.
Well, I'd say often, yes that is the case... and often it is because much of the Newspapers in this country are owned by corporations who have vested interests in some of that corruption, unfortunately.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22127413 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:15:08 EDT Re: Amazing.... Abuse of Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22127399 KrK : Sorry, it wasn't stupid. It was chosen for just the right feel, actually.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22127399 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:12:56 EDT Re: Amazing.... Abuse of Power http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22127374 tiger72 :
said by KrK See Profile :

Does Germany have laws on the books saying it's illegal to embarrass their Government/mein Führer by publishing the truth?
The irony in your stupid comment is that most of the laws limiting free speech in Germany have to do with right-radicals not being able to profess their love for Hitler, and for denying the Holocaust.
The more Governments try to suppress wrong doing, the more sites like Wikileaks are needed!
Very, very true.
The only reason I can think of for Governments to be concerned about internet censorship blacklists getting published is because they are censoring things they aren't supposed to or don't want their citizens to know about.
In Germany's case, this mostly applies to right-wing sites that frequently support nazi-like tendencies.
IE Abuse of power and corruption... and if that is the case, then that means all the more reason they SHOULD be published so the citizenry can find out.
Governments aren't afraid of that information getting out. A perfect example being the United States. We all know that our government is corrupt and abuses its power constantly, yet good luck finding a single newspaper mention the words "our government" and "corrupt" in the same sentence.
This is a classic example of the Free Press doing exactly what it supposed to do. Thumbs up, Wikileaks!
Agreed.
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The more Governments try to suppress wrong doing, the more sites like Wikileaks are needed!

The only reason I can think of for Governments to be concerned about internet censorship blacklists getting published is because they are censoring things they aren't supposed to or don't want their citizens to know about.

IE Abuse of power and corruption... and if that is the case, then that means all the more reason they SHOULD be published so the citizenry can find out.

This is a classic example of the Free Press doing exactly what it supposed to do. Thumbs up, Wikileaks!
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