K PattersonPremium,MVM
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3 edits | reply to EG
Re: Doubtful Comcast will ever release the bandwidth meter Yes, it doesn't make much sense, granted.
But those photos are just about four months old.
It also doesn't make much sense that they haven't been able to complete and release it.
My wild-ass guess is as good as anyone else's, but we're all sitting here in the dark stabbing at information we don't have. |
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2 edits | said by K Patterson:...It also doesn't make much sense that they haven't been able to complete and release it. ... Maybe after looking more at the data that "average" 2-3 GB usage/mo turned out to be higher and they are concerned that if people would have a way to easily monitor the usage, all that stark contrast between the 2-3 GB and 251 GB "hogs" would not have the desired effect ?
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 joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
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2 edits | said by sturmvogel:Maybe after looking more at the data that "average" 2-3 GB usage/mo turned out to be higher and they are concerned that if people would have a way to easily monitor the usage, all that stark contrast between the 2-3 GB and 251 GB "hogs" would not have the desired effect ? Is 2-3GB what they claim as typical? That seems low to me. But why should that matter? When users all see they are at even 50GB, the 250GB cap wont be an issue (except for those planning to change usage, by signing up for legal movie streaming, ouch) |
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 JohnInSJPremium
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2 edits | They claim 1-2% of the pipe capacity.
It's actually fairly accurate. Ask any ISP.
We've done this math before, but for fun let's go with a 12/2 line, 14Mbps total, or 14Mb*60*60*24*30=4.3258667 terabytes total bandwidth capacity.
Take 1% of that...
14 Mb * 60 * 60 * 24 * 30 * .01 = 44.296875 gigabytes
Or 2%
88GB
and there you go.
The oversubscribed model is based on providing enough capacity for 1-2% usage across all users.
Given Comcast has a stated cap of 250GB - closer to 7% - they may actually be using a 5-10% oversubscribed model.
A nice article (it even mentions Comcast!) that explains the reality of the business is
»jobs.tmcnet.com/topics/broadband···ment.htm
One quote:
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Consumer “broadband” services are usually priced based on their peak download bit rate. A DSL service might be good for 3 Mbps, a cable modem set to 6 Mbps, and a fiber-to-the-home service rated at 50 Mbps. The ratio of peak to average rate is known as the oversubscription ratio. This ratio can be very high in practice. Today, a typical consumer’s average usage might be in the 50 kbps range. (That’s about an order of magnitude higher than the average dial-up modem user’s usage.) So the oversubscription ratio could well be over 50 or even 100 to one! That has a big impact on the retail ISP’s costs.
Or, 1-2% usage. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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1 edit | and thats just on the low tier
16/2 18*60*60*24*30/1024/1024/8
5.56182861328125 Terabytes
then ramp on upto 50/10
18.5394287109375 Terabytes
but then figure the capasity of an 8ch line
127.3040771484375 Terabytes permonth
304+108*60*60*24*30/1024/1024/8
that means is everyone on a node had an 8ch modem but was only on the 16/2 tier then
22.888888888888888888888888888889 users could go full speed all the time
or 6.8666666666666666666666666666667 users on the 50/10 plan could go fullspeed all the time |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
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Minneapolis, MN
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1 edit | reply to sturmvogel
said by sturmvogel:Maybe after looking more at the data that "average" 2-3 GB usage/mo turned out to be higher and they are concerned that if people would have a way to easily monitor the usage, all that stark contrast between the 2-3 GB and 251 GB "hogs" would not have the desired effect ? 2-3GB is the median usage rate; the average is surely much higher. |
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1 edit | said by espaeth:2-3GB is the median usage rate; the average is surely much higher. Good that using the median and calling it average in "the call" paints a lower usage picture. I wonder who benefits from it ?
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
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1 edit | well it makes since to use median as they're saying the averave user not the averave use
if the did datause/#users=it would be the average amount used not the amount the average user uses
slight diff
but still I think caps should just go |
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| Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by DarkLogix:well it makes since to use median as they're saying the averave user not the averave use if the did datause/#users=it would be the average amount used not the amount the average user uses slight diff but still I think caps should just go Yeah, I guess it makes sense.
If they cannot sustain the heavy use I guess caps are one way to address that. I do not like it, but they have a right to do it. I believe they should be upfront about it in the advertisements and all related communications about the service, though.
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JohnInSJPremium
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| said by sturmvogel:Yeah, I guess it makes sense. If they cannot sustain the heavy use I guess caps are one way to address that. I do not like it, but they have a right to do it. I believe they should be upfront about it in the advertisements and all related communications about the service, though. It's cost. You want it cheap, or you want it unlimited? It costs a lot more to build capacity to support 20,30,50, or 100% capacity usage.
That's one reason why a "slow" 1.5Mbit symmetrical T1 line will cost you ~$400/month, even today.
Are you ready to pay 10-50-80X as much for your comcast HSI? The over-subscription model gives you access to speeds you could never afford if the provider also expected 100% usage.
Up until recently, no one would be able to find enough content on the internet to come anywhere near those limits, unless you were a content provider (on a T1, or T3, paying hundreds or thousands a month for connectivity) - end users surfing and doing email? Trickle...
So yeah, be careful what you wish for. Or hope it gets a lot cheaper to build out massive excess capacity that sits idle 75-80% of the time. |
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by sturmvogel:Yeah, I guess it makes sense. If they cannot sustain the heavy use I guess caps are one way to address that. I do not like it, but they have a right to do it. I believe they should be upfront about it in the advertisements and all related communications about the service, though. It's cost. You want it cheap, or you want it unlimited? It costs a lot more to build capacity to support 20,30,50, or 100% capacity usage. That's one reason why a "slow" 1.5Mbit symmetrical T1 line will cost you ~$400/month, even today. Are you ready to pay 10-50-80X as much for your comcast HSI? The over-subscription model gives you access to speeds you could never afford if the provider also expected 100% usage. Up until recently, no one would be able to find enough content on the internet to come anywhere near those limits, unless you were a content provider (on a T1, or T3, paying hundreds or thousands a month for connectivity) - end users surfing and doing email? Trickle... So yeah, be careful what you wish for. Or hope it gets a lot cheaper to build out massive excess capacity that sits idle 75-80% of the time. Truth in advertising.
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JohnInSJPremium
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| What planet do you live on? Do you like it there? 
Sprint wireless unlimited* data plan: 5GB cap.
AT&T Unlimited* uverse: sliding cap based on speed. Less then Comcast's - doesn't point out in big bold letters that your speed is limited if you happen to be watching HDTV...
Wonder what the verizon FiOS caps will be once everyone runs over there 
Comcast buries their cap in their AUP just like everyone else.
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1 edit | said by JohnInSJ:What planet do you live on? Do you like it there? Sprint wireless unlimited* data plan: 5GB cap. AT&T Unlimited* uverse: sliding cap based on speed. Less then Comcast's - doesn't point out in big bold letters that your speed is limited if you happen to be watching HDTV... Wonder what the verizon FiOS caps will be once everyone runs over there Comcast buries their cap in their AUP just like everyone else. Sprint CLEARLY (but in small print) states the 5 GB limitation in their latest advertisements.
I live on Earth. The Mars outpost is not ready yet, but I hear that Verizon will provide FiOS there (no caps).
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JohnInSJPremium
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| Sprint *now* clearly says it, but there are many people who signed 1 and 2 year contracts when it was unstated, and now are stuck. Welcome to comcast!
AT&T said no caps on uverse, *EVER*, and hey presto now they are going to caps.
Verizon says no caps, *EVER*, on FiOS. Bets, anyone?
Anyway, at this point clearly you know about comcast's caps. I assume you've leaving for an uncapped provider? |
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| said by JohnInSJ:Sprint *now* clearly says it, but there are many people who signed 1 and 2 year contracts when it was unstated, and now are stuck. Welcome to comcast! AT&T said no caps on uverse, *EVER*, and hey presto now they are going to caps. Verizon says no caps, *EVER*, on FiOS. Bets, anyone? Anyway, at this point clearly you know about comcast's caps. I assume you've leaving for an uncapped provider? I believe it was wrong to imply that the service was unlimited and turns out that it is. It seems that you agree on that when it comes to Sprint. Sprint now clearly states it. Comcast still does not. So why is still Sprint still seen by you as the worse of the two ?
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JohnInSJPremium
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San Jose, CA | Because 5gb is pretty darn easy to use even at EVDO speeds, while 250gb is a lot more realistic, even at 12/2 speeds.
Plus, I and everyone else here knows full well what the comcast cap is. Seriously. |
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1 edit | said by JohnInSJ:Because 5gb is pretty darn easy to use even at EVDO speeds, while 250gb is a lot more realistic, even at 12/2 speeds. Plus, I and everyone else here knows full well what the comcast cap is. Seriously. We are talking about advertising to the public, not what we know on DSLReports.
If the public would know what we know, the situation would be different.
I can reach the 250 GB cap using my connection 3.5 hrs a day at SIX megabit speed. I would say that is darn easy, too.
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JohnInSJPremium
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| It's right there in the AUP.
You check a box when you sign up for service that says
"I have reviewed the AUP and agree"
So, uh, again, where is the secret? They also don't advertise that you cannot run a server on the residential service. Is that a problem for you too? |
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| said by JohnInSJ:It's right there in the AUP. You check a box when you sign up for service that says "I have reviewed the AUP and agree" So, uh, again, where is the secret? They also don't advertise that you cannot run a server on the residential service. Is that a problem for you too? Is the AUP presented in the advertisements ? No.
If you try to pick strawman arguments, I have a problem with rabbits running across fields toward north east on Fridays at 9 AM. I am sure you could paint that as me having an unsubstantiated gripe against CC advertisements.
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1 edit | I don't find it a strawman argument. Buyer beware, but we can disagree on this. The only people who would even understand what "your usage is soft-capped at 250GB a month" *means* already do know it, the other 99% would never hit that cap anyway.
I'm sure you disagree with that too  |
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