 BetaTronSinzPremium
join:2002-08-18
Brooklyn, NY | reply to stevephl
Re: Nice.. said by stevephl:The fight to better the burglary tools? The fight to make stealing video's and music easier? Wow we have really advanced as a civilization, next we need to find a way to keep shop lifters more stealthy while in stores to prevent the authorities from arresting them, how dare someone think stealing should be banned. This argument will go back and forth for a VERY long time but...
We all know what the deal is but not everyone uses these services to infringe.
So this (PB VPN) is only another reason for the **aa's to come up with a better method for content delivery at a reasonable price that is accessible to everyone easily. |
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| said by BetaTron:said by stevephl:The fight to better the burglary tools? The fight to make stealing video's and music easier? Wow we have really advanced as a civilization, next we need to find a way to keep shop lifters more stealthy while in stores to prevent the authorities from arresting them, how dare someone think stealing should be banned. This argument will go back and forth for a VERY long time but... We all know what the deal is but not everyone uses these services to infringe. So this (PB VPN) is only another reason for the **aa's to come up with a better method for content delivery at a reasonable price that is accessible to everyone easily. @stevephl
What about people who want to blog anonymously? What about people who want to submit things to wikileaks without fear of getting caught? Do you not see that people have a certain right and expectation of privacy?
@BetaTron
I disagree, if the *AA haven't gotten the hint yet, then they never will. DRM is coming to a screeching halt, iTunes is going DRM free (or has already). Big corporations have to learn that DRM and copyright protection does NOT protect their property, it only hurts the honest consumer. The people who will violate copyright are going to find a way around whatever million dollar DRM system that is put into the place - the average person wont and will complain that they can only install the game once, play the song once...and guess what? The average person knows how to use google, punches in a few keywords, removes the DRM and now becomes a copyright violator. It all comes full circle. If companies were more open they would make more money. People don't want restrictions, they want the right to do what they want with that digital file. |
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BetaTronSinzPremium
join:2002-08-18
Brooklyn, NY | I don't see how we disagree 
The double a's haven't got a clue (see we agree) but if they want to stay relevant to their industries they better wake up and smell the coffee. If they don't (come up with a real solution) then some one else will and reap the benefits. |
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said by BetaTron:said by stevephl:The fight to better the burglary tools? The fight to make stealing video's and music easier? Wow we have really advanced as a civilization, next we need to find a way to keep shop lifters more stealthy while in stores to prevent the authorities from arresting them, how dare someone think stealing should be banned. This argument will go back and forth for a VERY long time but...
We all know what the deal is but not everyone uses these services to infringe. No? Just most use it to steal.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by BetaTron:said by stevephl:The fight to better the burglary tools? The fight to make stealing video's and music easier? Wow we have really advanced as a civilization, next we need to find a way to keep shop lifters more stealthy while in stores to prevent the authorities from arresting them, how dare someone think stealing should be banned. This argument will go back and forth for a VERY long time but...
We all know what the deal is but not everyone uses these services to infringe. No? Just most use it to steal. So most people who use VPN tunnels do so to steal? |
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| said by digitalfreak:So most people who use VPN tunnels do so to steal? I like the old days when you could just share information without violating laws. Now things are so complex you have to make sure your not breaking a law before you do something.
Who knows even You Tube content may violate the law???
What a head ache for both sides. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | the DMCA makes things even more complex in that acts that are legal are also illegal at the same time.
the DMCA is basicly like if you had a speed limiter on your car set to 45, but the speed limit is 65, however there is a law that makes it illegal to disable or remove the limiter, so going 65 is legal but altering the car to do so is illegal.
in DMCA terms this is fair use copies of DRM'd media, the fair use copy is legal, the breaking the encryption to create the copy is technically illegal.
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 DrugSkill
join:2005-11-14
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC | reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by BetaTron:said by stevephl:The fight to better the burglary tools? The fight to make stealing video's and music easier? Wow we have really advanced as a civilization, next we need to find a way to keep shop lifters more stealthy while in stores to prevent the authorities from arresting them, how dare someone think stealing should be banned. This argument will go back and forth for a VERY long time but... We all know what the deal is but not everyone uses these services to infringe. So this (PB VPN) is only another reason for the **aa's to come up with a better method for content delivery at a reasonable price that is accessible to everyone easily. @stevephl What about people who want to blog anonymously? What about people who want to submit things to wikileaks without fear of getting caught? Do you not see that people have a certain right and expectation of privacy? @BetaTron I disagree, if the *AA haven't gotten the hint yet, then they never will. DRM is coming to a screeching halt, iTunes is going DRM free (or has already). Big corporations have to learn that DRM and copyright protection does NOT protect their property, it only hurts the honest consumer. The people who will violate copyright are going to find a way around whatever million dollar DRM system that is put into the place - the average person wont and will complain that they can only install the game once, play the song once...and guess what? The average person knows how to use google, punches in a few keywords, removes the DRM and now becomes a copyright violator. It all comes full circle. If companies were more open they would make more money. People don't want restrictions, they want the right to do what they want with that digital file. Exactly, and who pays for these DRM at the end, certainly not them. It's the customers. |
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DrugSkill
join:2005-11-14
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC | reply to digitalfreak
said by digitalfreak:So most people who use VPN tunnels do so to steal? Being not only VPN, but VPN Torrent, probably yes. But I agree a 'fight' is good, not because it helps some people to steal, but because it drives new ideas and new technologies. And it's also one of the last bastion to tell those big corporates that they don't OWN the internet, even though that's what they want. |
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