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Re: Nice.. It's not stealing. It's copyright infringement. There's a difference.
Also, you never "buy" music or movies. You just buy a license to use it. You can't steal a license that was never issued to you, and if you use the music or movies (or software) without a license you are simply using it without a license, which is NOT stealing, since you aren't taking anything away. |
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 trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
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kudos:1 | You are taking the money out of the pockets of the people who deserve it, so yes... I call that stealing.
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 75153785
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Downers Grove, IL | reply to fifty nine
You are not stealing the music or movie, true, but you are stealing the license and by association are depriving the rights owner of compensation. It is akin to "stealing" cable. If you hook yourself up illegally that does not directly reduce the supply of content for paying customers like stealing a CD or DVD from a store would, but the cable company is not getting the revenue they should from your use. Some might argue that the cable company is in the same bed with the AA's but that is another discussion.
By your definition I shouldn't have to pay for satellite TV since my unauthorized use does not cost Dish anything. |
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | reply to trparky
said by trparky:You are taking the money out of the pockets of the people who deserve it, so yes... I call that stealing. While the owners may not make any money off of a *potential* sale because a file gets copied, there is no taking or stealing.
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | reply to 75153785
No, an illegal cable or sat connection is theft of service.
Copying a file is Copyright Infringement.
While illegal, no theft occurs.
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said by trparky:You are taking the money out of the pockets of the people who deserve it, so yes... I call that stealing. You are not TAKING AWAY anything from anyone.
You are depriving them of POTENTIAL revenue, which is vastly different. |
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75153785
join:2009-03-24
Downers Grove, IL | reply to dadkins
Interesting but flawed defense. The only difference is the wording of a law. Practically, there is zero difference. That performance you are "not" stealing is indeed a service. |
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Sorry I have to disagree. The RIAA and MPAA deserve NOTHING. The ARTIST deserves it all. The only power the RIAA and MPAA have is a big coffer of money to offer to an artist to basically write his rights away just to receive that money UP FRONT instead of collecting it little by little like an independent artist does.
Middle men is all the RIAA is. Without the artist, they are nothing. |
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It stealing you can not sugar coat that not stealing. If I copy some of the pictures that photographer on dslr sell now is that stealing or not
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You can't steal something which was never issued, so you're not stealing the license. |
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 BetaTronSinzPremium
join:2002-08-18
Brooklyn, NY | reply to 75153785
said by 75153785:Interesting but flawed defense. The only difference is the wording of a law. Practically, there is zero difference. That performance you are "not" stealing is indeed a service. It's not his or anyone's defense; it's the law. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:You can't steal something which was never issued, so you're not stealing the license. Personally, I think the RI/MPAA have their collective heads up their respective asses but this is a pure straw man. The original recording was licensed for play and that license carries with the recording. |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to 75153785
Cable or sat, is/are provided and kept up as a service... as is power or water.
A digital file in inert.
Copying a digital file does not require upkeep or maintenance.
Yes, they are vastly different! 
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | reply to Caddyroger
To steal, you have to remove an item from the owner.
The owner cannot have further access to that item.
If you steal a beer, it is no longer in that store.
If you copy a file, the original is still there where it was to begin with - in the owner's possession.
You cannot(should not) distort the meanings of actions to suit your take on things.
Copying is not stealing.
Copying is copying.
You and I copy things everyday.
*IF* copying is stealing, then we all have stolen items we have backed up.
Everytime you install something on your computer, it states "Copying files".
THEIF!!!  
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I agree it is a straw man but the word "stealing" is often used to stir emotion.
Emotion is never a sound basis for public policy. |
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So if I copy all of the pictures on dsl reports then that not stealing but yet the photographers is out of money. If they are out of money then it is stealing. Copying should be the same as stealing.
To me anything that causes some one to lose money is stealing.
I would not you in my house.
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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ONOES!!1 |
If you see a picture here, your computer *IS* copying it - to cache!
Your machine is copying stealing and you don't even know it. 
With an outlook like yours, I wouldn't want to come to your house!
If I look at your DVD collection, you might accuse me of stealing it. 
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| said by dadkins:If I could copy your HDTV and stereo, and your equipment never moved, how would that hurt you? If someone here is posting their valuable pictures in full resolution without a watermark on this publicly viewed site... they aren't really very bright now, are they? If you see a picture here, your computer *IS* copying it - to cache! Your machine is copying stealing and you don't even know it. With an outlook like yours, I wouldn't want to come to your house! If I look at your DVD collection, you might accuse me of stealing it. You might in the Temporary internet files but you would see them in a folder on the hard drive. If you your computer set to empty temp internet files when closing the pic is gone no intentional saving involved like downloading to a non temp internet folder.
Would you want some that is dishonest in your house.
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Folder on the HDD... yep! |
said by Caddyroger:You might in the Temporary internet files but you would see them in a folder on the hard drive. If you your computer set to empty temp internet files when closing the pic is gone no intentional saving involved like downloading to a non temp internet folder. Would you want some that is dishonest in your house. Irrelevant!
You and your machine are copying pretty much anything you see on the internet. Period.
Trying to justify it with weak excuses is sad.
So you admit to having copies of the very things you are so against...
Thanks!
Everyone is dishonest to some extent. Even you friend!
I would allow you in my house even though I know you are dishonest.
What's your point?
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| You can look at my computer any day and see of the any pictures music, or movies are on my hard drive. Now could I do the same with yours. They only way that they get on my computer is in the temp file which is deleted at close of IE, firefox or I delete I don't have a folder or folders called music or movies that I on purpose downloaded.
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