IgnitePremium,VIP join:2004-03-18 UK | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by wifi4milez:As if the world doesnt have better things to worry about, here at DSLR we are constantly bombarded with 'news' articles about internet speeds, and how we compare to other countries. I truly cant think of a more pointless discussion, although I am sure there are other 'noteworth' picks. Coming in a a close 2nd place, is the "Why does Japan have faster broadband than the US" garbage discussion. I know! Anyone would think this were a broadband discussion / news site.  | |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY 1 edit | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by Ignite:said by wifi4milez:As if the world doesnt have better things to worry about, here at DSLR we are constantly bombarded with 'news' articles about internet speeds, and how we compare to other countries. I truly cant think of a more pointless discussion, although I am sure there are other 'noteworth' picks. Coming in a a close 2nd place, is the "Why does Japan have faster broadband than the US" garbage discussion. I know! Anyone would think this were a broadband discussion / news site. Right, except for the fact that this type of thing isnt actually news. It provides absolutely nothing in the way of value to anyone, and only ends up starting the same old "the US sucks and thats why we have slow broadband" nonsense comments. Its really nothing more than a rallying cry for the ("wanna be") psuedo-socialists to regroup and rant about the civilized world. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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 |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by NetAdmin1:said by wifi4milez:Its really nothing more than a rallying cry for the ("wanna be") suedo-socialists to regroup and rant about the civilized world. Wow, talk about painting with a mile-wide brush... Nice way to lump everyone who doesn't agree with you into a nice box, regardless of the content of their arguments. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not. Go back and check any thread that has to do with this kind of topic. It starts off with a few normal comments, and then is taken over by people who (out of nowhere) start ranting about how the US sucks, blah blah blah. Everyone is entitled to whatever opinion they want (obviously), however these 'news items' seem to bring out the worst scum of DSLR. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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 |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by NetAdmin1:said by wifi4milez:Everyone is entitled to whatever opinion they want (obviously), however these 'news items' seem to bring out the worst scum of DSLR. There you go again. You paint everyone who disagrees with your opinion of the US as the "worst scum of DSLR." It is kind of hard to take your opinion seriously when you have such an utter contempt for folks of a differing opinion. Incorrect. I paint the "the US sucks and thats why we have slower broadband" crowd as the worst scum on DSLR, NOT simply people who disagree with me. There is a huge difference between the two. Anyone is entitled to disagree with me, however when the entire basis of their opinion is based on the nonsensical belief that "the US sucks" then they are total idiots. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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Having quickly glanced through some of these "discussions", if they can be called that, I don't read the posters as basing their opinion on the presupposed notion that "the US sucks". I see people saying that "the US sucks" because the US lags behind other nations in certain areas. Big difference, but one that people seem to miss. -- "This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" | |
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said by NetAdmin1:The determination of "suck" is purely subjective. It certainly is, however when the term is thrown around with reckless abandon, with the sole purpose of demeaning ones country, one quickly looses all credibility.
I firmly believe that anyone who wishes to argue specific facts deserves to be heard, or at least is entitled to make their claims. My issue is that when the discussion crosses over into the "the US just sucks (et al)" the conversation becomes pointless and counter productive. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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I just find the whole "US sucks" versus "USA is #1" bitch-fest utterly comical.
Personally, I am whole-heartedly ambivalent. -- "This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" | |
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Accordingly, those same totalitarian police states also foster a populace that can't challenge, won't challenge or simply blindly accept the belief that the "USA is #1" or "(insert country) is #1".
In either case this is quite a divergence from the original topic. This whole thread was off topic from the original post... -- "This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" | |
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However, one reason crime must exist is that crime is the method by which limits, norms and laws are created. Crime may also force social change. Inner city crime, for example, has illuminated the problems that result from poor inner city schools and low levels of opportunity. Crime pops up where the structures of society and government have failed to adequately address the concerns of areas and groups of people.
Simple put, crime is a symptom of problems, not a problem totally of itself.
Additionally, crime must exist because it is a result of a free society. As I stated, crime results because people have the freedom to choose their own path. They can choose to live the letter of the law (regardless of the legitimacy or justness of the law) or they can choose the violate those laws. -- "This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by NetAdmin1:crime must exist because it is a result of a free society. As I stated, crime results because people have the freedom to choose their own path. They can choose to live the letter of the law (regardless of the legitimacy or justness of the law) or they can choose the violate those laws. I must say that is a very sad assessment of society. One could argue that in a truly free society there would be no need for crime; except by delinquents intent upon disrupting the lives of others. In a society of civilized people, crime is a last (and despicable) final resort of a defeated group who selfishly want to impose their will upon others. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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I am not sure that Rosa Parks would agree with you that all crimes are despicable. Weather an action is good or bad often depends on an individuals perspective at that particular instant in time. For instance; the Crusades were considered a heroic effort in their day but I doubt that few would see it that way today. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  Lazlow join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award You said that crimes are despicable. I just pointed out an example of a crime that many (at that time) considered those who committed it to "selfishly want to impose their will upon others." How is that weak? As far as being offended; the only people who should be offended are those that think that what Rosa Parks did was wrong, or those who think that the Crusades were right. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  Lazlow join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award How is either a reach? We both posted information about crimes and criminals that are today generally considered to be heroic acts. Another easy example would be anyone who attended the 1st Continental Congress. Those involved were traitors (criminals) to England. While the King of England (at the time)may have thought of them as despicable, I think very few people (today) would consider them as such. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award If you think an example of a peaceful protest is indicative of overall societal "crime" then I think we are done here. | |
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As far as peaceful goes; think back to the outcome of the 1st Continental Congress. That was not exactly peaceful and the men who were there knew that it was not going to be a peaceful transition. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by Lazlow:But that is just it. At the time Rosa Parks did what she did, it was a CRIME. She was arrested and taken to jail. I was just using a few examples of how not all crimes are despicable. You are confusing the end result with the action of breaking the law. Certainly nobody would argue that the result of what she did was bad. That being said, just because something good happens as the result of breaking a law doenst make doing so correct. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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Now when people point out very obvious, well-known examples of why you're wrong, you call it a weak attempt at discussion and try to rule it out of bounds.
Those peaceful protests were against the law in many locations. Protesting like that was a crime. Thousands of people were arrested and prosecuted. Coincidentally, NetAdmin1 was more correct than you were when he said "Simple put, crime is a symptom of problems, not a problem totally of itself." The problem in this case was segregation, and it took breaking the law to get enough attention to finally end that. -- goodbye dad | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by fatness:Those peaceful protests were against the law in many locations. Protesting like that was a crime. So then by your logic if a serial killer went on a string of murders, yet that resulted in new laws that saved lives (in the future), the killings were justified? Again, you need to separate the emotional aspect of this conversation from reality. Even when the end result is undeniably good, there is still a reason law and order must be in place. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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| Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by wifi4milez:said by fatness:Those peaceful protests were against the law in many locations. Protesting like that was a crime. So then by your logic if a serial killer went on a string of murders, yet that resulted in new laws that saved lives (in the future), the killings were justified? Again, you need to separate the emotional aspect of this conversation from reality. Even when the end result is undeniably good, there is still a reason law and order must be in place. No. By my logic your statement about crime being the "last (and despicable) final resort of a defeated group who selfishly want to impose their will upon others" was wrong, and I cited recent history to illustrate that.
Now you're making stuff up out of thin air about serial killers. You're resorting to posting things I did not say, and your reactions to them to try to prove some kind of point. -- goodbye dad | |
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Also, your argument that in a truly free society there would be no need for crime makes no sense... A free society allows people to make bad decisions or decisions that others don't agree with. Your statement is that people wouldn't not make those decisions. How do people who are free to choose their own life path NOT make poor decisions? And if people don't make poor decisions, how do people learn? -- "This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" | |
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| said by wifi4milez:As if the world doesnt have better things to worry about, here at DSLR we are constantly bombarded with 'news' articles about internet speeds, and how we compare to other countries. This beats being bombarded with 6+ months of the Anna Nicole Smith bs on every TV 'news' station a year or so back... | |
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 |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award said by fatness:said by wifi4milez:Its really nothing more than a rallying cry for the ("wanna be") psuedo-socialists to regroup and rant about the civilized world. I just read back through this thread to see who was ranting about the civilized world. It seems to be you. You are correct that in this particular thread people didnt start the typical DSLR ranting. I would content this likely happened due to the fact that I pointed out it always does happen, and those people chiming in would have only furthered my argument. -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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 |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY 1 edit | Re: This topic wins the 2009 "WHO THE F CARES!" award I might ask you the same thing, especially given that this thread is from last week!  -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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