http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22138841 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:36:33 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:36:33 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22146506 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22146506 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:56:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22145234 said by Bit:

If video was the end all be all cash cow they would have done it 15 years agoI thought you might be informed but this tells me you're mostly making this up.

Ameritech (now AT&T) built and ran Americable 15 years ago. It was sold to Wide Open West as part of the SBC merger deal with regulators. They also had Mobile One cellular (one of the original AMPS operations), which was sold to Verizon as part of the same deal, and that goes back to the mid 80's. They'd still have both if it were not for some ham-fisted regulatory requirements.

Given what I actually know, and what you evidently don't, I'll stand by my statements.


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just look at services provided, packages loose channels to stay in the same price range, while HSI goes up in speed and never changes in price.
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Uhhh...they were.

It failed because the technology couldn't support it.

'But it doesn't matter...you want to believe that those big bill paying POTS customers weren't a huge profit generator while these $50 video subs are cash cows you go right ahead.'

I'm just guessing you don't work in the industry. The low profitability of POTS was the reason why the telecoms lobbied for relaxation of LATA regulations for long distance at the expense of POTS revenues. Everyone who has dealt with any telecom work knows this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141315 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:58:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141233 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141233 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:38:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141231
If video was the end all be all cash cow they would have done it 15 years ago instead of making BA&PA type tax deals while not deploying shit. If it were a money tree they would have taken the financial goodies AND deployed. They only started a few years ago because their voice customer base was evaporating rapidly with the rapid expansion of VOIP, dying dialup, and cheap cellular.

But it doesn't matter...you want to believe that those big bill paying POTS customers weren't a huge profit generator while these $50 video subs are cash cows you go right ahead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141231 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:37:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141200 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141200 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:29:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141191
It's accepted fact that pre-divestiture, long-distance and business subsidized home phone. Post-divestiture we've seen how the low margins cause everyone who tries and become a CLEC to eventually either bow out or become a niche brand.

With POTS the person with a basic phone is a "no margin" customer. The company is making a few pennies off of them a month and it's why you never seen retention bending over backwards to keep them. Those extra charges are the only thing making it profitable for residential phones on a whole.

'VOIP competitors simply aren't as greedy as the telco, but make no mistake, telephony is very lucrative, otherwise cable competitors wouldn't be entering that business so agressively.'

It's not that they're not greedy. It's that they have a lower base cost and they need an edge to get customers. MSO's are entering it not because it's lucrative but because it helps round out their service offerings and allows them another source revenue with minimal infrastructure cost.

The fact that the MSO will spend millions to get into telephony while telcos spend billions to get into video tells you who has the sweeter gig.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22141191 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:29:06 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140139 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140139 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:40:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140125 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140125 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:38:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140096 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140096 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:33:22 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140086 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140086 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:30:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22140069 much higher profit over expense ratio than POTS ever is even with $5 Caller ID, etc. And if you think those fees are not coming soon to a cable POTS and VoIP provider near you you're naive. Comcast is already tacking them on here.

But thanks for trying.
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Meanwhile with your "basic" logic, they're losing a ton of big margin $50 pots customers and picking up a few low margin $50 video customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139950 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:09:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139871
So yeah, if I was Verizon I'd happily lose several $10 a month POTS lines to pick up one $100 video customer.
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We just had a news item this week already claiming Comcast to be the 3rd largest telephone service provider behind Verizon and AT&T while the incumbent telcos continue to lose voice customers.

Cable vs FiOS comparisons differ by market but IMO DBS smokes them both in terms of HD offerings and there is no 'mad rush' to DBS...so people aren't buying in droves based on how many HD channels they get. They buy on promos (eg double+triple play deals). Price is king, not how many HD filler channels you get.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139816 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:46:01 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139717 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139717 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:30:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139556 --
Toolmaster of La Grange.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139556 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:57:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139517 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139517 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:50:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139429 said by Bit:

I would venture to guess that Verizon is losing way more POTS subs to cable than they're getting video subs from cable.
I don't know why that would be. When I think of cable I don't see any decisive positives with Voice service whereas I see over 100HD channels starring me in the face when I compare Cable TV vs. Fios. Plus most people don't mix services, so TV service should win out over voice service one would think.

(yeah yeah I know TW has 100 in NYC but as a whole cable HD is sorely lacking)

Nuff said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139429 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:35:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139057 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-other-MSOs-22139057 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:38:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-other-MSOs-22138841 --
The more you talk, the less you listen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-other-MSOs-22138841 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:54:39 EDT