Hebrekon
join:2009-05-22
Pierrefonds, QC
| reply to dbsanfte
Re: Evading throttling with uTP / uTorrent 1.9a
thats good to know.... I that that udp has to do with how many seeds i get ,,, I think... but can someone explain what it is. cause i really have no clue... just for personnal knowledge.
2) I guess MultiPPP is completely impossible with bell ?!?
3) What is uTP.... and do I have to force it to absolutely force it to*10 to get that fix.
4) I would undestand you would not want to explain everything. to prevent bell`s tyranny.
5)How do we complain about bell`s throttling. Ive viewed this video on youtube.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlMbxosLtaY. which tells you to who u should complain isf you fell like it. Im going to. hopefully I will find the time and passion to do it. |
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dbsanfte
join:2005-03-15
Montreal, QC
 ·Colbanet
| That video is terrible.
Alright Hebrekon, here you go, an explanation.
UDP is a protocol. TCP is a different protocol. Put simply, they're different ways of sending packets out of your computer.
Up until lately, all torrents have been using TCP, essentially because it's easier. TCP is like a phone call... you call the other person, transfer your data, and hang up. But it's very easy to keep track of who's talking to whom, isn't it? That's how Bell throttles: they listen in on the 'line' and tell that you're talking to lots of other computers about Bittorrent. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
UDP is not a phone call. There's no start or stop to the conversation, it's just individual words sent one after another, and they can arrive in any order, or even not at all.
Let's compare how TCP and UDP would send the following sentence:
"The cat in the hat."
TCP would just open a connection, say it from start to finish, and hang up.
UDP would split it up into individual words: 'the' 'cat' 'in' 'the' 'hat', and send out five separate packets to the target computer. The packets may arrive out of order, or even not at all, and need to be resent. And it's up to the computer at the other end to put them together properly.
The key advantage is, it's really really hard to keep track of a UDP conversation, because there's no 'call' and 'hang up' phone call like with TCP. Essentially, UDP confuses the throttling hardware. So it can't tell you're talking about Bittorrent. |
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Hebrekon
join:2009-05-22
Pierrefonds, QC
| reply to dbsanfte
Oh ok. i guess i kind of get it.
But isnt that dangerous for getting the proper information. by that i mean that. there isnt a chance that the movie im dowloading might get screwed up and wont be readable because it got torn apart ??
Second. Im at work right. so im not sure of what i saying. but i think bell throttle betwenn 4pm and 2 am. at those time I get 100kb.... and the rest of the time i get 300... i think thats whats hapenning... its still better then before but anyways.
Isnt there good website where we can just pay like 50$ a year and get unlimited download. that would just be way simpler. than all that trouble I went threw to get my speed up... But at less now I know that bells are sucker. and i know abit more about computers. because ive been download at 20 kbs for more than a year now.
Now i need to try the new utorrent alpha. . I ve downloaded one and 1 hour later there was a new one already. lol
cya soon. |
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static416
join:2007-01-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to Davesnothere
said by Davesnothere :
What I have noticed (which may be affecting some peeps' mileage) is, simply put, that if there are not enough folks out there who have the file you want AND have uTP enabled at THEIR end, then you could even get NOTHING in some cases where you originally got SOME transfer speed before changing the settings at YOUR end. My experience is the same. This works acceptably on very well seeded torrents, but poorly seeded torrents may stop completely if there isn't someone else using uTP. |
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Rastan
join:2007-04-25
Canada | reply to dbsanfte
I followed the steps that the OP outlined and it doesn't work for me. I'm currently downloading at under 30kB/s on a well seeded torrent (with many uTP connections) on a public tracker. |
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AkFubar
Resistance is Futile
join:2005-02-28
Toronto Can.
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to dbsanfte
I tried a bunch of settings and couldn't get above 10 kBps with Utorrent 1.9. I switched to Utorrent 1.8.2. At least it seems stable and I can get 30 kBps with it. 
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DJ R
Premium
join:2005-06-12
Brossard, QC | reply to dbsanfte
I am 100% avoiding Throttle for many months. Yes, I got to pay like $12 CAD more for the premium service bandwidth.
Rapid$hare is awesome.
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Rastan
join:2007-04-25
Canada
 ·VBUZZER
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to dbsanfte
I forgot to update my post last night. After I was throttled at 30kB/s, I did a hard reset (both modem and router) and tested again. I even downloaded a well seeded torrent from a private tracker and my download speed went up to around 370kB/s combined for both torrents.
I don't know why I was throttled before I reset my modem and router but I was clearly throttled as I could not get past 30kB/s and that particular torrent downloaded much faster after the reset.
I did not change any settings in uTorrent after the reset. |
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Brian C
@teksavvy.com
| reply to dbsanfte
I saw this thread way back when it first started and thought it couldn't hurt to try. I used all the settings from the 1st post and had some mixed success with v1.9. My only gripe was that the older v1.9 didn't let you set limits on your upload/download so I went down to the 1.8.3 beta with all the same settings instead. I usually reset my bt.transp_disposition back to 13 during non-throttled hours but this afternoon I forgot to do that but I don't seem to be throttled anymore? Is this happening with anyone else? |
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dbsanfte
join:2005-03-15
Montreal, QC | Honestly I never thought it would become this popular :P
Glad to see it helped so many. |
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civuck5
join:2002-04-06
Scarborough, ON | reply to dbsanfte
This method has stopped working for me as of today after a few months of success. Anyone else? |
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moggy
join:2006-01-08
Peterborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to dbsanfte
you cant use it on private sites
and utorrent 1.8.3 is out today it has utp
A lot of fixes for this release. uTP support has been much improved to better handle mixed-mode uTP and TCP. It is not enabled by default for outgoing connections.
For ut 1.8.3 & 1.9 bt.transp_disposition is a bitfield, so the following numbers can be ADDED or used on their own to get the desired effect:
4 - incoming TCP
8 - incoming uTP
1 - outgoing TCP
2 - outgoing uTP
Specific combinations:
5 - TCP incoming + outgoing only (uTP disabled)
10 - uTP only
13 - TCP incoming + outgoing with uTP outgoing only (*1.8.3 default)
15 - both TCP and uTP, incoming + outgoing (*1.9 default)
13's the recommended setting for 1.8.3 and 15 for 1.9
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thenours
@distributel.net
| reply to dbsanfte
I confirm , its working with 1.9 Beta , i just moved into a new house and i used to have cable , now i'm with Distributel (using Bell canada DSL) i was only getting 27-30k during peak hour since 1 week , i changed my torrent config and i got 150k instantly instead of 27k , i'm getting 140-150k/s since 60 last minute , we are still in the "peak" hours. Thank alot for this info. |
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Rastan
join:2007-04-25
Canada | It might be working for you but I keep getting mixed results. Right now I'm downloading a well seeded torrent at anywhere between 50kB/s - 95kB/s. There's more than enough peers that are uTP compatible to max out my connection. |
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l0thar
join:2005-12-29
Far Far Away
1 edit | reply to dbsanfte
Quick update to any interested parties, uTorrent is now up to version 2.0 Beta - they will be skipping the 1.9 version number all together due to the amount of changes in this upcoming version.
People who are using v1.9 alpha might want to look at this improved version.
»forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=60602
quote:
1.9 is now 2.0, and we've hit beta!
Release Notes:
* We've added UDP tracker support!
* uTP has been improved significantly over the previous alpha, with many bugs fixed and performance improvements. It's no longer hidden in Advanced settings.
* The setup dialog has been overhauled to make it much easier to use and with a built-in speed test. It's still not quite complete yet, but this will give you a good taste of what we're up to with it!
* Transfer caps are now configurable, with usage tracking and graphs.
EDIT :
Turns out there are some annoying bugs on this version, so until there's a fix, 1.9 version is better, imo.  |
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MP3it
join:2006-07-16
Cobourg, ON | Yes it's buggy, even after upgrade to build 16126
I also recommend stay with ver 1.9 |
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oxfordwhite
join:2008-01-28
| reply to dbsanfte
said by dbsanfte  :That video is terrible. ^^
Wow really 1 16 Megabyte DL Speed for only $99 a month? I think if bell offered speeds almost up to OC3 to my house I might switch....However that is 16Megabit which would amount to only 2Megabyte DL speed
terrrible video. |
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Napalm Frog
join:2002-10-02
Milton, ON
1 edit | reply to dbsanfte
Okay, so I just moved to my new Waterloo apartment, and had my TSI hooked up via dry loop today. I've been testing torrents for the past 30 minutes, and although speeds fluctuate insanely, I tend to average about 150 KB/s during the lunch hour. Does this mean I am not being throttled? Or is it likely throttling will commence soon? I just want to know because if 150 KB/s is still low, maybe I should do MLPP anyways. Or is it because of the fact there is a large Bell building literally in my apartments backyard?
On that note, my parents in Milton, also see similar speeds to this (assuming seeds are really good), and average about 100 KB/s. I was under the understanding that throttled speeds were 30-40KB/s, no?
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON | Throttle does not start until 4:30 pm. |
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SuperHappy
@bell.ca
| reply to dbsanfte
Wow, I've been scouring the net for an answer to my throttling and this honestly worked. I forgot to switch the port number, but as soon as I did it worked right away. Thank god, we're three roommates on free landlord internet so we won't be fighting for downloading. Thanks! |
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