Topic 'Re: Stinky words...' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22157308 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:12:47 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:12:47 EDT Re: Stinky words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22186094
If advertiser dollars disappeared, that means advertisers wouldnt be paying as much.

Which means ad budgets would get smaller.

Which means products would have less of their price to offset advertising.

Which means products would get cheaper and consumers would spend less for more.

So consumers win, advertisers & networks lose.

I see no problem with that. I see why networks have a problem with it, and why Time-Warner (a network) which owns RoadRunner does though. But all they're going to do is make their internet AND networks fail.

Oh, and Time-Warner; if you're reading this. I will never use your services, ever. And I'm boycotting all of your media (movies, tv box sets, music, etc..).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22186094 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 05:01:51 EDT Re: How many is "many?" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-many-is-many-22160900
I still read our local paper occasionally, in particular because they still do actual local reporting, but not near at the level they should. Like most they have turned into an AP regurgitator. Any paper that simply reruns the AP or Reuters or any other aggregator is going to go under. All that content is available online for free. Competing in the world of the internet requires that you differentiate yourself from everyone else. You don't do that by running stories off the ticker.

I would wager that all but one newspaper in every city will die. Where once you could have up to 4 major papers in a single large city you will have one paper. It will devolve until only the papers that want to generate content instead of reposting it will succeed. It's not the death of news, it's just changing. Local news can succeed. Once everyone has a Kindle like device digital subscriptions will become common but only those papers that generate content will survive till that point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-many-is-many-22160900 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:26:23 EDT Re: But if all newspapers die.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22159345 If you see something - say samthing
Blogs not bad at all as sourch of news]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22159345 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:47:09 EDT Re: But if all newspapers die.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22158726 said by S_engineer:

I think everyones become painfully aware of the opinions that our "journalists" seem to imbed in every story.
Your post brought to mind the tension between Journalism and blogs. I think this cartoon cuts to the heart of the matter.

/tom
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22158726 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:50:56 EDT Re: Stinky words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22158655
The last few years has shown incredible profits for TV(what was a Superbowl add this year?), yet we have seen a reduction in the quality of the shows produced. I do not think you can necessarily equate income with quality. A lot of the UK's TV is VASTLY superior to that produced in the US and is produced at a fraction of the cost(there is a reason why so many Uk shows are shown/copied). If the US TV does not embrace online media, it will surely follow newspapers down the tubes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22158655 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:36:44 EDT Re: But if all newspapers die.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22158393 said by tschmidt:

said by jtudor:

Where to Google, yahoo, the AP and many other online sources get their news from? Local newspapers that is who.
viable journalism /tom
Keyword there. I think everyones become painfully aware of the opinions that our "journalists" seem to imbed in every story. The conversation should be on how do we eradicate sensationalism and opinion from reporting.
Oh...and actually sourcing might help instead of saying "there are critics"...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22158393 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:52:45 EDT Re: How many is "many?" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-many-is-many-22158238
That's not news.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-many-is-many-22158238 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:29:41 EDT Re: How many is "many?" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-many-is-many-22157642 said by goinglike60:

How many newspapers have "gone under?" Six? out of 1400 daily newspapers? Hardly could be called "many"
You can check that out here for 2009 closings. Much more than 6:
»graphicdesignr.net/papercuts/?page_id=1441
Check the boxes under the map for 2009, 2008, 2007 to get all the closings for 3 yrs.
A pull down list of closings will be below the map.

And 2009 layoffs here:
»graphicdesignr.net/papercuts

And 2008 layoffs here:
»graphicdesignr.net/papercuts/?page_id=1088

Click on the pins on the maps to get more details.
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But those newspaper groups who are trying out NEW models aren't doing any better. Those who are trying to stay alive by adopting new models are dying just as quickly.
I think there are many intertwined causes.

1) Media consolidation has caused newspapers to take on extraordinary amounts of debt and public ownership demands higher returns then papers have historically provided.

2) For reasons I don't understand Internet ad rates command much lower fees then print. I would think properly done Internet ad would be the opposite. Perhaps this is just a teething problem with new media.

3) Internet has spawned content-is-free mentality. As a delivery mechanism Internet has drastically reduced cost of delivery. It does not reduce journalism and content creation cost. I think much of the fault lies with RIAA and MPAA. Rather than embracing the Internet by using it to lower selling price resulting in win-win situation, lower prices for consumers more customers for providers, they have attempted to thwart electronic distribution thus breeding cynicism and contempt by public at large.

/tom

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22157631 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:48:40 EDT How many is "many?" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/How-many-is-many-22157593 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/How-many-is-many-22157593 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:37:46 EDT Re: But if all newspapers die.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22157580 said by jtudor:

Where to Google, yahoo, the AP and many other online sources get their news from? Local newspapers that is who.
That is the crux of the problem. Everyone wants to be s content agitator but nobody one wants to do journalism.

I don't mind paying subscription fee to newspapers I have a relationship with and trust. On the other hand I refuse to use sites that require me to login, or even enter my email in order to read article.

A healthy society needs viable journalism at international, national and local level. I'm confident someone will eventually figure out an Internet central business model that works.

/tom ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-But-if-all-newspapers-die-22157580 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:35:16 EDT Re: Stinky words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22157553 --
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Just one problem with that: Where to Google, yahoo, the AP and many other online sources get their news from? Local newspapers that is who.

AP has reporters in some major cities, but not in every town. Yahoo has no reporters, neither does google.

If all the newspapers cease to exist, where will the news for the online sources come from? They will not have any sources, to the amount of news reported will diminish drastically.

I work from a newspaper group, and this has been a hot topic of discussion lately.
Unfortunately, local coverage(except in major cities like you say) is going to suffer drastically. The major newswires(AP, Reuters, etc) are going to be the only sources of news and they won't cover all communities. I guess truly local news will have to depend on those free weekly ad newspapers they throw on your lawn and that have 20 or 30 stories a week.
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But those newspaper groups who are trying out NEW models aren't doing any better. Those who are trying to stay alive by adopting new models are dying just as quickly. More and more people get their news from Google News or FoxNews or CNN and not using newspapers at all. Adapting isn't working.
Just one problem with that: Where to Google, yahoo, the AP and many other online sources get their news from? Local newspapers that is who.

AP has reporters in some major cities, but not in every town. Yahoo has no reporters, neither does google.

If all the newspapers cease to exist, where will the news for the online sources come from? They will not have any sources, to the amount of news reported will diminish drastically.

I work from a newspaper group, and this has been a hot topic of discussion lately.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/But-if-all-newspapers-die-22157536 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:24:36 EDT Re: Stinky words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22157518 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22157518 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:20:42 EDT Re: Stinky words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Stinky-words-22157498 Ironically though, clinging to the old model and grumbling instead of adapting is precisely why many newspapers went under. But those newspaper groups who are trying out NEW models aren't doing any better. Those who are trying to stay alive by adopting new models are dying just as quickly. More and more people get their news from Google News or FoxNews or CNN and not using newspapers at all. Adapting isn't working.

And broadcasters, without a steady stream of ad revenue and income from cable networks will be unable to produce new shows for consumption(online or not). So, I don't think adapting their business plan will save them - we are eventually going to get even worse shows than they put out now due to lack of income.
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