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Re: Sounds like another industry stance said by axus:Watching commercials on digital broadcast television is much better. Ads look really nice in 720p. They can still be brainless, but at least there is a variety of them. But fewer and fewer are watching TV commercials. The DVR, unless the law allows networks to prevent fast forwarding thru commercials, has ended watching commercials on TV for a growing number of viewers. And the more people who do that, the less money companies will want to send to the networks for advertising.
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show!
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | said by dadkins:Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show! no more commercials = no show. |
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Camden, TN | said by RadioDoc:said by dadkins:Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show! no more commercials = no show. hey someone gets it finally. Shows have to be paid for. You can really tell the people here that have worked for someone their whole life and will probably always will and people that have actually had worked for themsleves and knows what it's like to run a business. |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | reply to RadioDoc
The show gets recorded WITH the commercials.
Just because I choose not to watch them(like getting up from the TV and hitting the kitchen or the bathroom) doesn't mean anything is any different.
The ads are still there, but I choose to remove them instead of walking away.
Guess Tivo's and DVR's FFW button is evil and you have never used one, eh?
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said by RadioDoc:said by dadkins:Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show! no more commercials = no show. New business model, that's all. We'll see if they catch like the newspapers are. As technology advances, the barrier to entry that used to be the friend to broadcasters, newspapers, etc. is becoming their enemy. The digital age will help to even the playing field. |
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said by BF69:said by RadioDoc:said by dadkins:Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show! no more commercials = no show. hey someone gets it finally. Shows have to be paid for. You can really tell the people here that have worked for someone their whole life and will probably always will and people that have actually had worked for themsleves and knows what it's like to run a business. Sure, the ads are sold and placed whether or not you or I watch them and the programming is paid for.
Honestly, do you sit there and watch every commercial?
Never surfed for 2 minutes while it runs?
Never gotten up for a snack or drink or bathroom run?
Yeah, ok!
EDIT: Ads, eh? You telling me that you don't use AdBlock Plus or any other ad blocking software/scripts or native browser ad blocking?
Riiiight!
Those ads are paying for stuff too, but I'll bet you have a few blocked, don't you?
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said by BF69:said by RadioDoc:said by dadkins:Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show! no more commercials = no show. hey someone gets it finally. Shows have to be paid for. You can really tell the people here that have worked for someone their whole life and will probably always will and people that have actually had worked for themsleves and knows what it's like to run a business. Agreed....but you should know by now that people don't want to pay for anything; music, tv, the 4600 sq ft home they bought with a 16%ARM...
Besides,the gov't will probably bail them out anyway! |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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The what button? |
TV shows do have ads.
What is the difference between skipping them with "Commercial Skip" button, or FFW, or walking away for a couple minutes - vs running the recording through software to remove the ads?
Nothing whatsoever! 
Either way we choose to, and we means everyone here, the ads usually get skipped or ignored in one way or another.
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Suffern, NY | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:But fewer and fewer are watching TV commercials. The DVR, unless the law allows networks to prevent fast forwarding thru commercials, has ended watching commercials on TV for a growing number of viewers. This skip the ads capability predates the DVR. Ever since the invention of the VCR viewers have had the ability to have the machine watch (and record) the TV for them and then actually view the recording later (AKA Timeshifting) or record one show while viewing in real time another (a capability that now exists with dual-tuner DVRs). |
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kudos:5 | reply to BF69
said by BF69:hey someone gets it finally. Shows have to be paid for. Between cable TV subscriptions, VHS/DVD sales (which Hollywood resisted), and bumper commercials (before or after the show), the programming is paid for several times over.
This is not only paying for the shows, it's making a profit. Profit is not a bad word, but let's be clear what's going on here. TV is being decimated. Dramas and comedies are often giving way to info-mercials and cheaper "reality" shows.
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said by dadkins:The show gets recorded WITH the commercials. Just because I choose not to watch them(like getting up from the TV and hitting the kitchen or the bathroom) doesn't mean anything is any different. The ads are still there, but I choose to remove them instead of walking away. Guess Tivo's and DVR's FFW button is evil and you have never used one, eh? And the more advertisers realise people are not watching their ads, the less they will be willing to pay to have the ads shown, thus less money to produce programs for "free" TV. Eventually, if nobody watches the commercials, advertisers will quit paying for them. |
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kudos:5 | said by dentman42:Eventually, if nobody watches the commercials, advertisers will quit paying for them. Eventually, if nobody uses the Pony Express, trans-continental mail will stop. If everyone drives, nobody will ever walk. If we have public schools, then private schools will cease to exist. If women can vote, she-people will take over the world.
The world evolves, and takes care of such things. You have two choices: hang on to the old, or embrace the new.
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:Sure, the ads are sold and placed whether or not you or I watch them and the programming is paid for. Your defective logic ignores the reality that indeed someone pays for the ads whether you watch them or not and if the effectiveness of the ads approaches zero the ad revenue dries up, and the shows are no longer funded. Pretty simple stuff. While you squeal in glee at your automated avoidance of what pays for the shows you probably illegally distribute, the supply side of the equation continues to shrink. Since you do not like the ad-driven model, how do you propose that your programs be paid for? |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to Pingmeister
Let's hear your proposal for that new business model. How do you fund production? The barrier to entry has been down for a decade now and all of those buzzwords you posted haven't changed a damn thing. Someone still has to pay to create content. |
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The ads and shows are paid for whether or not you or I see them.
The ad agencies are fully aware that the eyes on target are less than 50% - more like 10%(if that).
It is all factored in and it is a crapshoot and you know it!
Ok, so are you saying that you watch each and every ad placed on TV or the web?
If no, then you have absolutely no room to talk or judge me and my practices whatsoever.
If yes, you are an ad agency's ideal consumer!
Either way, I have to laugh at you! 
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2 edits | reply to dentman42
said by dentman42:And the more advertisers realise people are not watching their ads, the less they will be willing to pay to have the ads shown, thus less money to produce programs for "free" TV. Eventually, if nobody watches the commercials, advertisers will quit paying for them. Define "Free TV".
It doesn't exist!
Either you pay with butchered and commercial infested OTA or cable/Sat subscription.
Nowhere is anyone guarranteeing viewrship of any ad.
The agencies know this.
It's the *potential* of viewership that is being sold.
Whether you or I see them or care to see them, they will be sold and aired.
No one in this thread/news item can tell me they watch all commercials - that wouild be Bullshit and you all know it!
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said by Pingmeister :said by RadioDoc:said by dadkins:Media Center and VideoReDo = no more commercials and a seamless show! no more commercials = no show. New business model, that's all. We'll see if they catch like the newspapers are. As technology advances, the barrier to entry that used to be the friend to broadcasters, newspapers, etc. is becoming their enemy. The digital age will help to even the playing field. Programming funded by advertising has too many ads, and ads are skipped and/or deleted by new DVR technology.
Programming funded by subscription is expensive. $14/month for home box office on top of your cable bill? Yeah, fat chance of that taking off as a model for every channel out there.
Programming funded by donations? One word - boring. Hollywood actors, producers, screenwriters and support staff won't make what they're making now on donations.
Programming funded by taxes? Yeah, you mean like they do with the TV Licence in the UK? A lot of programs shown on the BBC are initially made for ad supported markets like the US.
So I guess we are stuck with advertising until someone can find out how to make TV shows and run a TV network for free. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | said by fifty nine:So I guess we are stuck with advertising until someone can find out how to make TV shows and run a TV network for free. Which is why some of the arguments above are just stupid.
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