 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps When people can use there present devices and get fast speeds, there isnt going to a rush to wimax. LTE is just the winner, sprint days are numbered. |
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| And you know this how? WiMax is already in the field. LTE is not. WiMax can be rolled out to a good share of the country before LTE even gets into a good sized trial area. And 2 cities are not trials. It's called half ass planned by VZW. |
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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2 edits | said by hottboiinnc:And you know this how? WiMax is already in the field. LTE is not. WiMax can be rolled out to a good share of the country before LTE even gets into a good sized trial area. And 2 cities are not trials. It's called half ass planned by VZW. 1. Economies of scale: With only Sprint and a handful of other very small companies dispersed around the planet using wimax, the cost to manufacturers is higher because they're selling to a smaller market, and thus have to expect less in sales. Their prices will either be higher to cover their costs, or they'll simply choose not to make devices for WiMax, driving competition down and consumer device pricing up.
2. HSPA: For the time being, real-world HSPA progress is capable of matching the real-world capabilities of WiMax. The OP stated that WiMax is advertised at 2-6mbps rates. HSPA can do this today also. If network operators wanted to provide 7mbps, all they'd need to do is get more T1's to their towers. Speed competition with WiMax is well within reach on HSPA.
3. Time-Frame: By the time WiMax starts hitting the higher speeds (20+mbps in the real world) so will HSPA. By the time WiMax speeds begin to surpass HSPA's limits, LTE will begin being deployed.
4. Sprint.
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| LTE isn't set to even be out except for by VZW and in two trial markets. You claiming LTE will be out when HSPA limits are reached is a crock of shit and can't be proven.
Sprint maybe the only provider in the USA that is going to rely on WiMAX but they're not the only one that is not going to LTE. T-Mobile isn't going to use it and instead are going to UTMS.
VZW and ATT are the only two going to LTE that are major players. Also why shouldn't sprint go into something they're banking on as far as nationwide Internet goes. It's already out world wide and its a proven technology and not vaporware like LTE. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by hottboiinnc:T-Mobile isn't going to use it and instead are going to UTMS. UTMS is HDPA. T-Mobile will sooner or later "upgrade" their GSM system to LTE. Rest of the world is going to also. LTE is the official successor to GSM, no carrier with a GSM network will say "ok all you international GSM roamers and local pick-your-handset customers, we are going to WiMAX and you have to get new handsets that only work on our network (frequency) and have our MAC address range and we sold you". |
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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said by hottboiinnc:LTE isn't set to even be out except for by VZW and in two trial markets. You claiming LTE will be out when HSPA limits are reached is a crock of shit and can't be proven. LTE will be out by the end of this year, and at the latest by the beginning of next year. As of now, the highest offered speeds anywhere in the world are 7.2mbps HSDPA. In the USA, we're seeing 1.5mbps real world downloads on HSDPA networks running at 3.6mbps (with T1 backhauls). That's matching WiMax real world speeds today. HSPA alone can get to 14mbps which we'll see by next year, and HSPA+ can hit 40mbps. LTE is rolling out by the end of this year. So to come back full-circle. By the time software upgrades alone are maxed out on HSPA, LTE will be out. If you include HSPA+ MIMO hardware upgrades, LTE will be established. And at the rate WiMax is going, it's merely going to continue matching HSPA's speeds. And when WiMax finally can surpass HSPA's speeds, LTE will be fully deployed, and will outpace WiMax anyways. This is why the world's operators chose LTE over WiMax.
This is all verifiable with a couple simple google searches.
»www.phonescoop.com/news/search_r···dmap&s=d
»www.phonescoop.com/news/search_r···lout&s=d
Sprint maybe the only provider in the USA that is going to rely on WiMAX but they're not the only one that is not going to LTE. T-Mobile isn't going to use it and instead are going to UTMS. Well that doesn't make sense for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that they're deploying UMTS with HSPA right now. Nor does it make sense when they're testing LTE in Europe. Nor does it make sense when they've clearly stated that they're forgoing HSPA+ because they expect to roll out LTE instead, around late 2010-early 2011.
»www.rethink-wireless.com/index.a···e_id=705
VZW and ATT are the only two going to LTE that are major players. Also why shouldn't sprint go into something they're banking on as far as nationwide Internet goes. It's already out world wide and its a proven technology and not vaporware like LTE. riiiight. Do you even know what vaporware is? You know, even upstart MetroPCS is going to be rolling out an LTE network. And here you're saying that the totally mismanaged Sprint, who's infinite wisdom destroyed the Nextel network, is STILL bleeding users at a million a quarter, losing buckets of money, and has a new CEO every 2 years is a wise company to follow? And that all of the world's successful phone companies that are taking the LTE route are crazy for adopting crappy "vaporware"? Hey, that's your opinion, and you're sure entitled to that. It just not very logical.
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| said by tiger72:As of now, the highest offered speeds anywhere in the world are 7.2mbps HSDPA. Not so. Some Xohm/Clearwire users have seen beyond 8Mbps, up to 11Mbps. Most sites do not have the backhaul to provide that much but some do and a few user have seen it. WiMAX is _marketed_ at averages of 2-6Mbps range, but it technically can do much more if there is enough backhaul and good conditions.
The 7.2Mbps claims of current HSDPA is a theoretical max in the lab, not realworld avg. |
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