Kickenback
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Re: Look out...tiered pricing and monthly caps coming !
swintec as i had said in my post i had said that it was to my understanding DOCSIS 3.0 was passed by congress or other governing body. i should have said required.key was understanding, as that is from what i had heard on the charter section of dslreports.com and had read it on other forums as well. yea i do know telecos don't use DOCSIS. but for some reason i always add it in. |
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NSA_CIA
@charter.com
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said by Kickenback :
Dampier, i was had stated on your site in the comments section. (Robert S.) Docsis 3 has to be set up and running in those areas, as it was from my understanding DOCSIS 3 was passed by congress or some other governing body that all Telecos and cable comps were to upgrade to DOCSIS 3. if Time Warner/RR does not go forward with the upgrades in those areas they can or should face fines.
The government has nothing to do with DOCSIS 3. The government also can't force private companies to upgrade to it either. You're severely mistaken in what ever you think you've heard.
DOCSIS 3 is a recent specification created by a CableLabs, a non-profit research and development consortium founded by the cable companies 20 years ago:
»www.cablelabs.com/about/ |
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Dampier
Phillip M Dampier
join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY
| reply to Kickenback
said by Kickenback :
Dampier, i was had stated on your site in the comments section. (Robert S.) Docsis 3 has to be set up and running in those areas, as it was from my understanding DOCSIS 3 was passed by congress or some other governing body that all Telecos and cable comps were to upgrade to DOCSIS 3. if Time Warner/RR does not go forward with the upgrades in those areas they can or should face fines.
Cable broadband service is unregulated. The govt cannot force them to upgrade anything, unless a local community somehow added a requirement to a franchise renewal agreement.
As others have noted, DOCSIS is relevant to cable broadband models, not DSL (telco). |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Racerbob
Franchise agreement(s) with a provision in it, stating that they must upgrade the network(s) etc.. Can they be forced by a local muni-gov't.
Also in the Broadband stimulus package, if there's a provision in there, if a company takes said funds, they must do upgrades/buildouts etc.. can the federal gov't step in and force the ISPs to upgrade.
TWC will not goto Docsis 3.0 - because they'll never spend that much capital to improve a network, that in their minds is 'more than enough' for it's customers. They're being run by inept suits, who use to be stockbrokers/analysts - who think we're still in the early 1990's.
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NSA_CIA
@charter.com
| said by Pizz  :Franchise agreement(s) with a provision in it, stating that they must upgrade the network(s) etc.. Can they be forced by a local muni-gov't. Too bad due to Verizon's lobbying and legislation that passed because of it, MANY franchises are now state run and not local. In many areas now, local governments have fewer rights and abilities to demand concessions for service. |
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stefan231
@rr.com | reply to Racerbob
Just saw this on Timewarners local page for SouthernCalifiornia.
»www.timewarnercable.com/corporat···cbb.html |
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Racerbob
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY
·FrontierNet Intern..
·RoadRunner Cable
| Yes, we saw it on 4/16. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Shocking!  |
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Racerbob
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | reply to Racerbob
Time Warner Cable: 44GB in a week qualifies as abuse: »www.crunchgear.com/2009/04/24/ti···s-abuse/ |
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| reply to Racerbob
I got this at your link:
"This site was designed to work best with Firefox 3, or Internet Explorer 6 or higher.
Click on either one to download it for free"
My ISP has no business telling me what browser I can use. What a bunch of clowns! I never visit the RR portal (garbage site) and I only visited this link to see what was said. I just want my ISP to give me a connection to the internet with no garbage crap included. I want my connection to be reasonably close to the cap (mine never is and TW refuses to fix it), and no usage caps or at least reasonable ones like Comcast. I don't want to be told what browser I can use, or be told I have to have Flash Player or Acrobat Reader or any other crap and PLEASE NO PORTAL. I hate that RR portal.
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NSA_CIA
@charter.com
| said by Mele20 :I got this at your link: "This site was designed to work best with Firefox 3, or Internet Explorer 6 or higher. Click on either one to download it for free" My ISP has no business telling me what browser I can use. What a bunch of clowns! They aren't telling you what browser to use, they are informing visitors what browsers work best with the features on their site.
Get over it, the world doesn't revolve around YOU. |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | I agree with you lol but he's funny lol so i'll give him some lol's.
Sucks to know that TWC will be droppng docsis 3, was looking forward to it. |
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NSA_CIA
@charter.com
| said by pspcrazy :Sucks to know that TWC will be droppng docsis 3, was looking forward to it. TWC isn't dropping DOCSIS 3.
It was just inferred to be a part of the Metered Bandwidth plans in those areas the trials were going to be.
TWC never said what was happening to the DOCSIS 3 plans in other areas. |
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Hevans1944
@rr.com
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Gee, didn't we used to pay by the minute for long-distance telephone service? Someone should inform the suits at TWC that 20th century rate structures don't fly well over the 21st century Information Highway. My city, Dayton, Ohio, now offers free wireless broadband to anyone suitably located near the downtown area. Clark Howard got it right: TWC is afraid everyone will cancel their cable TV over-priced services and watch TV via the Internet and Hulu (or whatever). Imagine that! Next thing you know they'll "discover" you can make free telephone calls via the Internet. As someone said a decade or so ago, "packets is packets" no matter what they contain. |
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner Cable
 ·Time Warner VOIP
3 edits | reply to Matt
said by Matt :said by WyckedKnight :With the news that Senator Charles Schumer is going to speak watch TWC do some major back peddling as Schumer can generate allot of press on the national level as well. But i have a feeling it won't end the caps, but maybe increase them to a higher level. just a weird feeling i have. I wouldn't mind the caps if they were raised to a reasonable level, ala Comcast's 250GB. 5,10,20,40GB is just insulting. 5,10,20,40GB is just insulting.
500GB would be reasonable
1,000GB in Areas that have competition or unlimited
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Toby983
join:2004-10-01
1 edit | ^Caps that small will never happen - what they're actually doing IMO is softening everyone up (that is current and new TW customers) for the mass acceptance of the real caps that will likely be around 100-300GB monthly (for average bandwidth users), but at a higher cost than prices are currently. They know full well where the web is going and if they tossed out a 10-50GB cap they KNOW there would be mass-defection. That's why they're trying to work in new contracts for initial low pricing but the the caveat of a termination fee if you cancel with that low price. |
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RR User
@rr.com
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It's a shame they can't do what Comcast did, and institute a reasonable 250GB cap or so... assuming as the years progress the cap gets raised to support the growing sizes of common files like pictures and video.
But we all know that TW has their chunky, grubby, greedy hands latched onto this idea of metered billing. I'm actually in the process of writing them a letter with an idea that could have customers and TW meet in some "middle ground". Personally, I say offer RR lite, basic, standard and Turbo with or without metered billing. Give customers the choice to decide which they want. The only difference being that the metered packages are priced below the un-metered, and customers can vote with their wallet.
It's a huge stretch, or wishful thinking, but one can only try. |
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RR User
@rr.com
| Or my other idea... why doesn't TW just force everyone consuming over 40GB a month onto the Turbo tier. I would imagine there are quite a few people out there on standard that would get placed on Turbo for this reason, and TW would make an instant profit, while the user just has to pony up an extra 10-20 a month to continue using their connection the way they are accustom to.
I'd have no problem with that. |
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| said by RR User :
Or my other idea... why doesn't TW just force everyone consuming over 40GB a month onto the Turbo tier. I would imagine there are quite a few people out there on standard that would get placed on Turbo for this reason, and TW would make an instant profit, while the user just has to pony up an extra 10-20 a month to continue using their connection the way they are accustom to.
I'd have no problem with that.
That's easy to answer. It's because there is NO turbo! I can't get turbo ....no one outside of Oahu can and only a small area of Oahu has it available. Oceanic TW can't even give the standard 5ms down currently on the neighbor islands. That taxes their network too much so we sure aren't going to have turbo at 8ms down or turbo extreme at 15ms down for a LONG time.
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