exseven
Premium,VIP
join:2003-05-23
Beamsville, ON | reply to Snickerdo
Re: Usage Billing
sorry snick, i was replying to dan. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to exseven
said by exseven  :With all the people against QOS on the system, why are you asking for it? I didn't say I was asking for it.
And, considering that Cogeco openly admits that they do packet shaping and have the hardware in place, there wouldn't be any capital costs involved to prioritize the three main VoIP protocols. The only thing they'd need to do is pay the wages for the person who has to implement it and test it before going live.
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exseven
Premium,VIP
join:2003-05-23
Beamsville, ON
1 edit | reply to Snickerdo
Except that would need a lot of capital to do... you you pay an extra lets say $5 for SIP MGCP or Skype priority? Right now no specific QOS rules towards VOIP packet headers are in use, it is looked upon the same as any other RTP stream.
Cogeco's Digital Phone implementation utilizes PacketCable specifications and has separate service flows for the Digital Phone and the ethernet port on the eMTA.
With all the people against QOS on the system, why are you asking for it? Asking for VOIP priority is like asking for HTTP priority over P2P..... |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | reply to Snickerdo
It's not a terrible idea... but now you're talking about what people like to call "packet shaping" and I'm sure you know how that term excites everyone... |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
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said by urbanriot :Even better, but then everyone would have to comply with the same standards... and they don't. Giving priority to SIP, MCGP and Skype would cover 99% of all VoIP traffic out there.
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | reply to dan991199
Even better, but then everyone would have to comply with the same standards... and they don't. |
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dan991199
join:2007-10-01
St Catharines, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot :All right, so she said it's the same "circuit." What's your point again? I'm pretty sure that, even if Cogeco's VOIP was mixed into the internet pot, everyone would agree that the added bonus of having their Cogeco phone packets QoS'd at a higher priority would be a good thing...(?) no i think everyone would agree that having ALL voip phone packets QOS'd at a higher priority would be a good thing. |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to FreetheNet
All right, so she said it's the same "circuit."
What's your point again? I'm pretty sure that, even if Cogeco's VOIP was mixed into the internet pot, everyone would agree that the added bonus of having their Cogeco phone packets QoS'd at a higher priority would be a good thing...(?) |
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FreetheNet
@cgocable.net
| reply to urbanriot
ack..sorry for the bad grammar for all you grammar people out there, especially using your instead of you're!
Anyway, here is the link to the thread I quoted Krispy from:
»Does having Cogeco home phone effect my internet speed?.
I have a lot of experience in this area and just want regular users to know the truth, not the spin version of it. I would believe what was said to the CRTC by Cogeco and Rogers, to anything that is posted in the Cogeco forums, after years of disinformation. |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to exseven
said by exseven :separate physical circuit Any chance you can link him to the previous discussion over this topic with xeroid, where it was discussed in greater detail? |
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exseven
Premium,VIP
join:2003-05-23
Beamsville, ON | reply to FreetheNet
separate physical circuit |
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FreetheNet
@cgocable.net
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SIP or (session initiation protocol), still uses TCP and UDP and you make it sound like it's on a separate circuit, it's not. It still goes through the same nodes. Hence why internet is down, your Cogeco home phone will be down.
They are priortized on a higher level then normal VOIP traffic on the cogeco network. Cogeco was never directly asked this, but rogers was, and they admitted to it.
I just wish cogeco would get back up and answer more questions from the CRTC, very enlighting, it's a shame that certain people never learn things.
Just to drive my point home, here is a quote from Krispy directly in a previous post:
said by Krispy: :
Correct. To clarify, it's not that Cogeco VOIP traffic rides on a separate physical circuit, it's just given priority over your regular internet traffic.
Please don't call me names, just stating the truth, no need to name call because your wrong. |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to FreetheNet
said by FreetheNet :
Cogeco does the same thing, so in fact, Cogeco is already sorting your vonage packets and making it a lower priority on the network then say Cogeco VOIP packets. Cogeco is not doing that and you know it. Stop trolling. |
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exseven
Premium,VIP
join:2003-05-23
Beamsville, ON
1 edit | reply to FreetheNet
Cogeco doesnt prioritize internet VOIP traffic at all. Digital phone traffic is run on a separate stream from any traffic to the internet
If you don't understand how Cogeco digital phone works in relation to a SIP service don't comment on it. |
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FreetheNet
@cgocable.net
| reply to Fireblade
quote:
= Fireblade
No problems with Vonage for over 5 years.
Also I want to point out. Rogers has admitted to the CRTC that they use DPI to sort the packets and prioritize "their" VOIP packets over normal surfing and p2p and so on.
Cogeco does the same thing, so in fact, Cogeco is already sorting your vonage packets and making it a lower priority on the network then say Cogeco VOIP packets.
Now if your area becomes congested, your neighbor with cogeco home phone is going to have better call quality and no dropped calls, compared to someone using another VOIP service, you might not notice this on the user end depending on a lot of variables and congestion...yet. |
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Fireblade
join:2008-08-27
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
 ·Vonage
| reply to Last Parade
said by Last Parade :Got my second telemarketing call from Cogeco last night. They try to sell me on the phone service which is "$20 less" than what I'm paying for only 30 bucks or something. I tell them I'm paying $9.99 for VoIP (which could be less if I could be bothered) and ~$25 for 6 Mb DSL. They act surprised and I say have a good day. That $9.99 is with Acanac right? I think I'm going to switch to them once I find that Cisco VTA for under $40.
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Last Parade
One of the Brightest Stars
join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON
| reply to Krispy
Got my second telemarketing call from Cogeco last night. They try to sell me on the phone service which is "$20 less" than what I'm paying for only 30 bucks or something. I tell them I'm paying $9.99 for VoIP (which could be less if I could be bothered) and ~$25 for 6 Mb DSL. They act surprised and I say have a good day. |
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FreetheNet
@cgocable.net
| reply to Fireblade
@gixxer
Yes they "do" throttle, but not the same way bell does. Packet disruption effects a lot more then just speed, depending on settings it can effect max connections as secondary action of time out and so on...
@urbanriot
They can do this, is the point. Aren't you the same person that denied throttling of P2P for years on this forum with that same kind of argument. Guess you don't learn.
@backness
Yep, but the problem is the only people they will be honest to are the CRTC, since they are the only ones that could do anything about it. |
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Fireblade
join:2008-08-27
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·Vonage
| reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot :said by FreeTheNet :
The alarming thing about this is, who is to say they aren't doing this on VOIP like vonage or other competitors, or certain websites. I have friends using Vonage with Cogeco and they have zero complaints. I believe Gixxer has Vonage as well and could probably confirm or deny how well it works or doesn't work on Cogeco. No problems with Vonage for over 5 years.
said by backness :or perhaps cogeco could tell the customer who pays for service what they are doing instead of the consumer spending his/her free time trying to figure this out from imperfect information Indeed and they should explain it in layman's terms with examples, not technical jargon that the customer will NOT understand.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | reply to urbanriot
or perhaps cogeco could tell the customer who pays for service what they are doing instead of the consumer spending his/her free time trying to figure this out from imperfect information |
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