Topic 'Re: Usage Billing' in forum 'Cogeco' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22165733 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:31:59 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:31:59 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701503 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701503 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:01:06 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701468 said by exseven:

With all the people against QOS on the system, why are you asking for it?I didn't say I was asking for it.

And, considering that Cogeco openly admits that they do packet shaping and have the hardware in place, there wouldn't be any capital costs involved to prioritize the three main VoIP protocols. The only thing they'd need to do is pay the wages for the person who has to implement it and test it before going live.
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Cogeco's Digital Phone implementation utilizes PacketCable specifications and has separate service flows for the Digital Phone and the ethernet port on the eMTA.

With all the people against QOS on the system, why are you asking for it? Asking for VOIP priority is like asking for HTTP priority over P2P.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701441 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:51:34 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701431 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701431 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:49:57 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22701253 said by urbanriot:

Even better, but then everyone would have to comply with the same standards... and they don't. Giving priority to SIP, MCGP and Skype would cover 99% of all VoIP traffic out there.
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All right, so she said it's the same "circuit."

What's your point again? I'm pretty sure that, even if Cogeco's VOIP was mixed into the internet pot, everyone would agree that the added bonus of having their Cogeco phone packets QoS'd at a higher priority would be a good thing...(?)
no i think everyone would agree that having ALL voip phone packets QOS'd at a higher priority would be a good thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700791 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:17:53 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700555
What's your point again? I'm pretty sure that, even if Cogeco's VOIP was mixed into the internet pot, everyone would agree that the added bonus of having their Cogeco phone packets QoS'd at a higher priority would be a good thing...(?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700555 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:49:32 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700090
Anyway, here is the link to the thread I quoted Krispy from:

»Does having Cogeco home phone effect my internet speed?.

I have a lot of experience in this area and just want regular users to know the truth, not the spin version of it. I would believe what was said to the CRTC by Cogeco and Rogers, to anything that is posted in the Cogeco forums, after years of disinformation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700090 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:50:30 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700036 said by exseven:

separate physical circuit
Any chance you can link him to the previous discussion over this topic with xeroid, where it was discussed in greater detail?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22700036 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:37:26 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699611 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699611 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:28:28 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699500
They are priortized on a higher level then normal VOIP traffic on the cogeco network. Cogeco was never directly asked this, but rogers was, and they admitted to it.

I just wish cogeco would get back up and answer more questions from the CRTC, very enlighting, it's a shame that certain people never learn things.

Just to drive my point home, here is a quote from Krispy directly in a previous post:

said by Krispy: :
Correct. To clarify, it's not that Cogeco VOIP traffic rides on a separate physical circuit, it's just given priority over your regular internet traffic.


Please don't call me names, just stating the truth, no need to name call because your wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699500 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:22:15 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699352 said by FreetheNet :

Cogeco does the same thing, so in fact, Cogeco is already sorting your vonage packets and making it a lower priority on the network then say Cogeco VOIP packets.Cogeco is not doing that and you know it. Stop trolling. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699352 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:50:46 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699265
If you don't understand how Cogeco digital phone works in relation to a SIP service don't comment on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699265 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:39:50 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699087 quote:
= Fireblade See Profile
No problems with Vonage for over 5 years.


Also I want to point out. Rogers has admitted to the CRTC that they use DPI to sort the packets and prioritize "their" VOIP packets over normal surfing and p2p and so on.

Cogeco does the same thing, so in fact, Cogeco is already sorting your vonage packets and making it a lower priority on the network then say Cogeco VOIP packets.

Now if your area becomes congested, your neighbor with cogeco home phone is going to have better call quality and no dropped calls, compared to someone using another VOIP service, you might not notice this on the user end depending on a lot of variables and congestion...yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22699087 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:18:18 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22691983 said by Last Parade:

Got my second telemarketing call from Cogeco last night. They try to sell me on the phone service which is "$20 less" than what I'm paying for only 30 bucks or something. I tell them I'm paying $9.99 for VoIP (which could be less if I could be bothered) and ~$25 for 6 Mb DSL. They act surprised and I say have a good day.
That $9.99 is with Acanac right? I think I'm going to switch to them once I find that Cisco VTA for under $40.
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@urbanriot
They can do this, is the point. Aren't you the same person that denied throttling of P2P for years on this forum with that same kind of argument. Guess you don't learn.

@backness
Yep, but the problem is the only people they will be honest to are the CRTC, since they are the only ones that could do anything about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690848 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:25:01 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690845 said by urbanriot:

said by FreeTheNet :

The alarming thing about this is, who is to say they aren't doing this on VOIP like vonage or other competitors, or certain websites.
I have friends using Vonage with Cogeco and they have zero complaints. I believe Gixxer has Vonage as well and could probably confirm or deny how well it works or doesn't work on Cogeco.
No problems with Vonage for over 5 years.

said by backness:

or perhaps cogeco could tell the customer who pays for service what they are doing instead of the consumer spending his/her free time trying to figure this out from imperfect information
Indeed and they should explain it in layman's terms with examples, not technical jargon that the customer will NOT understand.
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The alarming thing about this is, who is to say they aren't doing this on VOIP like vonage or other competitors, or certain websites. I have friends using Vonage with Cogeco and they have zero complaints. I believe Gixxer has Vonage as well and could probably confirm or deny how well it works or doesn't work on Cogeco. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690800 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:10:27 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690619 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690619 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:54:37 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690597 said by Fireblade:

But but but... The network will degrade if they don't throttle!!!!
Technically they are not throttling, the are using packet disruption. They are sorting packets and dropping certain ones to slow down the flow, which is actually far worst then what bell does, by just throttling.

The alarming thing about this is, who is to say they aren't doing this on VOIP like vonage or other competitors, or certain websites.

Sure they might never admit to doing this, and will play word games to convince the naive and less technical, but we all know they have lied about this in the past, even in these very forums.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690597 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:47:29 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690543 --
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Cogeco representatives admitted yesterday to the CRTC that there was no need to throttle connections for about 95% of the day.

Anything they tell you about congestion is BULL. (as the 40 pages of comments correctly show)

Anyone from the Cogeco Staff want to comment on this? (your silence only implicates you in the steady stream of FUD and takes away from your credibility)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22690514 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:10:21 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22687851 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22687851 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:09:52 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22686461 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22686461 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:21:57 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685784 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685784 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:51:49 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685641
I don't even know why I mentionned the usage page only, maybe because the only thing I use My Account for is to check my bandwidth usage hehe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685641 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:31:17 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685498 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685498 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:11:48 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685443 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685443 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:05:12 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685411 said by kushiro:

Is anyone else having trouble logging in to their accounts? I'm putting in the same password as always (and, yes, I checked the caps lock) but now I get redirected to an incorrect login page.
same here]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685411 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:01:09 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685400 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685400 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:00:02 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685328 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22685328 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:48:01 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22684312 said by crapeco :

..maybe im just being too optimissitic. but i cant see how they can get away with such bad service..
Where you gonna go? Alot of people served *cough* by Cogeco have no alternatives.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22684312 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:22:48 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22684249 this whole delayed usage meter and stuff is probably cogeco trying to pull a fast one on its customers...haha why not? they already shown they could care less

i have a feeling something will sway our way sorta soon..maybe im just being too optimissitic. but i cant see how they can get away with such bad service..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22684249 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:49:56 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22682838
»www.cogeco.ca/outage.html

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but once i CAN leave cogeco i WILL LEAVE for sure Unfortunately, you and me both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22680185 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:20:42 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22679371
well im not happy with the cap but im taking this in light of the best were going to get. i mean i called and gave cogeco a piece of my mind and this and that so im taking the if you cant beat them approach because i have no choice right now

sad i know... tell them about comcast... 250 gb limit a month..wow if ihad that i wouldnt complain at all or leave cogeco..

but once i CAN leave cogeco i WILL LEAVE for sure]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22679371 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:45:52 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22669878
ISPs have never been forced to open up their books to demonstrate how much each user costs them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22669878 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:59:12 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22665576
so does that mean cogeos is gonna go up to that? that still sucks,,, even a 100 GB would sorta make me consider sticking around...

but once DSL is on my street TEK SAVVY it is.

i guess its a positive thing to see 75 at least.. u think cogeco would want to keep up with the competitor. ..useless cogeco!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22665576 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:01:22 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22664657
* Except in Portugal and other such places with competitors. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22664657 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:09:28 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22662816 --
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Pro 250GB
Hey, then they'd be inline with Comcast's regular plan!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22659285 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:36:11 EDT Re: Usage Billing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Usage-Billing-22658608 said by Snickerdo:

If the cap on Pro was 200 or 250GB I can guarantee that there would be no uproar at all, and that the people who are angry would be a mere fraction of the people who are pissed off as hell right now.
Standard 150GB
Pro 250GB

Maybe .001% might complain.
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they would just find something new to complain about, my ping time is 35ms when it used to be 25 now i suck at counterstrike
Don't lie to yourself, you were never good at Counter-Strike, ping nor God could save you!
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