Topic 'Re: Personally...' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170225 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:31:53 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:31:53 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22205119 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22205119 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:55:41 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22203018
Any usage number that one might quote will be too little, too much, or "just right"...based on the individual! Nothing new there, right?

I do not intrinsically have an issue with some kind of sliding scale based on usage, as long as those very light users pay much less than they pay now..."average" users pay about the same, and those "heavy" bandwidth users, pay a reasonable amount more. The issue, which IMHO is totally fair based on the indutry's track record, is "Will this be done in a non-rapacious way?" Frankly, if the answer is yes, then I would have no problem. Unfortunately, that has not been the paradigm that these companies have operated by...

Now, I am not so sympathetic with those who just download tons of stuff constantly, not even ever using or viewing but a fraction of what they download, because in some cases, it is the acquisition of content in and of itself that is their real "goal"! I think that there is a reasonable placement point for caps in a properly tiered system. For example: What is wrong with a price point with say a 100gb cap, and the next "level" at 250gb (and so on)?

I think that a legitimate problem is that some "average" users are paying too much, while some very "heavy" users are paying too little. It does not bother me that someone may want to download tons of content...not at all! But, I do think that they should be carrying a correspondingly larger part of the voerall cost.
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psx_defector and baineschile, your messages couldn't be anymore of a sale pitch towards tiered bandwidth if you tried. Yes, there are codecs out there but we're streaming the material not creating the DivX files. So you're pointing your argument to the wrong person, in an essence you are blaming the providers of the material. You are blaming them for hogging all the bandwidth. You're blaming Netflix, Youtube, Microsoft, Steam, iTunes(where you can get more than just music), Online Radio feeds, etc for using all the precious low-cost bandwidth. Boy if that isn't hindering innovation I don't know what is. I guess we're just a bunch of bandwidith hogging pirates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22199625 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:01:30 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22199195 said by baineschile:

I never said that it shouldnt be looked at and evaluated eventually. But 100gigs/month is plenty for this day and age. I can fathom lots of ways to use it; I myself have a slingbox, play on xbox live a lot, and use the netflix streaming service. I also use iTunes, but not as much as I used to. I work from home 3 days a week and connect to my works VPN, and send a lot of data files over the POP server. I consider myself a moderate to heavy user, and in a HEAVY month of mine, I use about 40-50gigs.

I can fathom downloading all recently released blurays, a few times from any one of the torrent trackers, but that doesnt mean I choose to.
Sorry.. 40-50 gigs a month IS NOT a heavy user.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22199195 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:49:27 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22176641
People keep quoting that 4GB like it's divinely guaranteed or something. And people keep quoting that adding a bandwidth cap is in order to kill the online streaming competition. All this means is that content providers need to be more selective about what they stream and how they stream it. Do you REALLY need a 2Mbps stream of a movie, sucking down 2GB of data? There are codecs that reduce the size considerably, look at the DiVX rips of DVDs clocking in at only 600MB or so. Yeah, it might not be "perfect" but what can you expect from a stream? You would think the content providers would appreciate the added revenue stream, while forcing people who want to get a "good" copy to buy the DVD or Blu-Ray disk.

We got into this metered bandwidth stuff precisely because people were getting stupid with it. I remember when the first hints of Comcast booting people for bandwidth stuff, one guy was complaining because they booted him. Turned out he was slurping down four or five audio streams, 24x7, sucking down almost 500GB a month. And, to add to that, he was not even listening to the stream, he was just recording it and storing it.

South Park had it right, over-logging is going to cause problems. No more mindlessly surfing while watching TV. And limit your pr0n consumption to twice a day, tops. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22176641 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:43:33 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22174336 said by baineschile:

Because normal internet activities wont ever take the average user above 10 gigs/month. Are you high? I don't do anything outrageous and I use 25-30 GB a month. So does my son. Also so when I get my MLB.tv subscription and I watch the 26-27 Rays games per month and since they are in HD I will use 100 GB in a month, I am not engaging in a "normal" activity? Watching baseball and just ONE game a day at that is unusual?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22174336 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:32:59 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22174320 said by ropeguru:

said by baineschile:

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
Really?? Lets see, 4GB per movie on average gives a family around 25 movies per month not including anything else they might want to download. 4 GB? SD is closer to 2 GB and HD is closer to 6 GB. 25 movies in a month at $4-$6 a movie = LOTS OF CASH TO BURN.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22174320 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:30:16 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22173553 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22173553 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:12:46 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22173293 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22173293 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:25:22 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172905 said by hayabusa3303:

The source of the post...
Look up the posters posting history..you better take it with a very large grain of salt.......then get your blood pressure checked. :D
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The source of the post is unknown but could be true.
edit is was posted with the Tw cap deal. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172879 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:09:10 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172812 said by psx_defector:

Streams from Netflix et. al. are NOT 4GB of data. Even in HD.
They are pretty darn close at 3 gigs in HD format. Around 2 gigs for standard definition. »Netflix: $.05 to Deliver Movie Stream? .
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game demos and online play.
plus normal usage I go over 100gigs every month easily without any piracy.

I'm just glad I'm on cablevision and they won't dare go to metered billing unless verizon fios switches to it. Which isn't expected.

Just because the cap is within the average user range does not mean the charges are justified. It's just a money grab, and they want to crush competators like netflix, etc plain and simple]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172429 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:37:53 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172395 said by hayabusa3303:

said by baineschile:

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
Even Tw business class has caps of the same usage. so how would business class help again?
Oh?

As far as I know there's no such thing as "business class" that also has caps. However, I could be wrong since I not aware of the offerings from every single last company.

I thought the idea was that customers would be faced with these choices:

- Use "Residential class" Internet, which has caps and makes heavy use of video impossible.
- Plus use cable TV to get the video.

OR...

- Don't use cable TV.
- Use "Business class" Internet, which has no caps and costs more.
- Viola! The company gets your money anyway.

Now, faced with those choices I think using the "Business class" without the cable TV is still better, since it means more control over what you see. Plus it means that there aren't restrictions that the "Residential service" has, making it more flexible.

But....I think it's pretty much the money, or trying to raise the ARPU.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172395 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:31:53 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172317
Moderator, you can now lock this thread as the discussion is over.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22172317 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:16:28 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171811
I can fathom downloading all recently released blurays, a few times from any one of the torrent trackers, but that doesnt mean I choose to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171811 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:42:18 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171805 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171805 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:40:35 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171795 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171795 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:39:17 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171711 said by AVonGauss:

said by hayabusa3303:

Even Tw business class has caps of the same usage. so how would business class help again?
Time Warner business service does not have a stated cap that I am aware of.
Not right now they dont but there will be soon if this cancer keeps growing it will.

In the long run they will have caps, on business class so they can put the screws to them also. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171711 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:19:39 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171553 said by hayabusa3303:

Even Tw business class has caps of the same usage. so how would business class help again?
Time Warner business service does not have a stated cap that I am aware of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171553 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:52:32 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171121 said by baineschile:

I love caps.

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
you sound like bill gates when talking about ram

"640K ought to be enough for anybody"

or how about this one from ken olsen, founder and ceo of DEC

"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home".

just because YOU cant fathom of a way to legally use up more than 100GB in a month does not mean that this is the case for everybody :p
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Really?? Lets see, 4GB per movie on average gives a family around 25 movies per month not including anything else they might want to downloadStreams from Netflix et. al. are NOT 4GB of data. Even in HD.

4GB is what you get after you rip a DVD, with all it's extraneous "extras" that don't contribute to the movie itself. And if the stream contains that data, it's grossly misconfigured.

More than 100GB, even in a "busy household", has a lot of piracy involved. Don't kid yourself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22171116 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:49:18 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170829 said by baineschile:

I love caps.

Just kidding, but i know this subject riles people up more than any other on this site.

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
My grandpa only uses 100 meg a month, and he says above that you are either a pirater, or need the business class.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170829 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:59:18 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170650
anything less than 250GB caps that are adjusted upward annual (for usual increase in consumption) is a complete money grab by these corporations. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170650 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:25:05 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170526 --
To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170526 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:06:40 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170426 said by baineschile:

I love caps.

Just kidding, but i know this subject riles people up more than any other on this site.

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
why not give us a choice of say 5.00 a month metered 1 dollar per gb or 19.95 a month unlimited?
with metered method i'm sure they would make a lot more money *major scam* the way they like it. metered doesn't suit most of us!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170426 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:49:22 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170409 said by baineschile:

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
Unfortunately, arbitrary caps are are just that. 100GB is good for you and someone else might be happy 10GB meaning you are going to have to pay. Another person might prefer 250GB and wonder how you can justify 100GB. Just picking random numbers out of a hat is not going to please everyone.
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said by baineschile:

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
I like your thoughts. NOT! Maybe you should go to work for these crooked companies. I am sure they would love to have you.
Then when there numbers go down so much between disconnects and non payments for over usage they will FIRE HIS ASS and say we made a mistake. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170319 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:29:51 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170274 said by baineschile:

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
Really?? Lets see, 4GB per movie on average gives a family around 25 movies per month not including anything else they might want to download. So a family that likes to watch different movies at the same time, like to play online games which require large downloads at times, and do web browsing and maybe upload pictures of the family to a web site should be on a business class account or they are just pirates stealing from others.

I like your thoughts. NOT! Maybe you should go to work for these crooked companies. I am sure they would love to have you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170274 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:19:27 EDT Re: Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170244 said by baineschile:

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.
Even Tw business class has caps of the same usage. so how would business class help again? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personally-22170244 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:15:38 EDT Personally... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Personally-22170225
Just kidding, but i know this subject riles people up more than any other on this site.

100gigs and above is reasonsable for a cap. Above that, you are either a pirater, or need the business class.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Personally-22170225 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:12:42 EDT