| | What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadband?
so they can pay $60 or more a mouth to be able to do there job?
Forced to pay for the software / laptop that is needed for your job? If they forced your to buy laptop that is needed for your job then you should be able to use it as your system on the off time and install what you want on it.
Full priced for a locked down system they can only do your job what a joke?
Same thing for mobile broadband. | |
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  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
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Chandler, AZ | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban i think you are really pushing the whole slippery slope argument here...
i think ibm is totally justified in what it is doing. how many of these people would have purchased broadband service if they *weren't* telecommuting? the only way that i can see that ibm should have to pay for the employee's broadband is if they need 24/7 connectivity so they either need a backup line or a business connection with an sla. ibm is not *requiring* these people to work from home - they are more than likely doing it out of choice. no harm in making them foot the bill.
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| | tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
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Chandler, AZ | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban i am in a semi-similar position.
often my work involves remote access using cisco vpn clients into customer sites to solve issues that they may be having (or to make changes to the network topology, etc.). in order to be effective *everywhere*, they have given me a sprint broadband card that i can use when i am not at a place where i can pick up network connectivity.
additionally, i do a lot of work from home. however, even if i wasn't working remotely, i would *still* have a broadband account. i'm reasonably certain you would have the same situation.
now - if your office *requires* you to be in constant internet contact and you *can't* afford downtime, i can see them providing you a low-bandwidth line for backup or they could foot the bill difference for an sla'd line.
also, no where did i see that these employee's *required* to work from home; they were working (under ibm's permission) to make their day a little more enjoyable. these employees could also go into work and ibm would have no responsibility to pay their internet connection. they employees are benefiting from this arrangement - they should foot the bill.
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| | |  trebzon
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| Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban I do agree there is a proper seperation between voluntary and involuntary remote virtual employees. If you are voluntary this changes the relationship.
I do not agree that the fact that you most probably have a tool means you should pay for it for work. If I already have a car would that be fine for me to use that for deliveries at my own cost? Depends. Am I an employee or contractor.
I will pay for the changes for now but I do think that once you make a choice to ask your employees to pay for work REQUIRED tools when there is no choice you have set a dangerous precedent.
By the way you are right that I would have broadband anyway. On the other hand would I pay for the top tier when that is what I really need? Probably not. | |
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| |  TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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| said by trebzon: ... This would be the same as the office requiring you to pay for your phone line at your desk in the office. Correct!
By the tone of most in this thread, they would be willing to voluntarily gift their employer a portion of the cost of their PC. They already have said they have no problem gifting them a portion of their rent, heating/AC, office supplies, phone, clean-up, Internet.... Hell, why not just work for free? Oops! Slavery is still illegal. At this rate, that too may change.
Since when have we become a nation of fearful sheep, always working against our own interests?
Bob
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1 edit | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban Right on Bob. I am all for being a good and productive employee but lets get real here. This is not about fairness or bitterness. I am sorry you have to drive to work and I do not but that has nothing to do with what the employer and employee responsibilities are. It is not unreasonable to be aware of your rights and responsibilities. Do we really want the AIG's of the world to decide what is right and wrong? | |
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| Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban said by trebzon: ... I am all for being a good and productive employee but lets get real hear. This is not abot fairness or bitterness. It's all about fairness, and just compensation. It's all about exploitation.
said by trebzon:I am sorry you have to drive to work I don't drive to work, read my other posts. It has nothing to do with driving, it has everything to do with subsidizing your employers expenses, and getting little in return.
said by trebzon: Do we really want the AIG's of the world to decide what is right and wrong? No! This is my very point. Not the AIGs, nor the IBMs. But that is precisely what is being espoused in this thread by most.
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| Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban Sorry Bob. I agreed with you and the last parts of my post were to the others in this thread. I agree with your last two points completely and was not directing the statements to you.
My point about fairness is it is variable and dependent on perspective. I believe that the responsibilities we have are not hard to determine when we stop playing workers against each other and get jealousy in the mix.
I am glad to hear your voice of sanity here Bob. | |
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| | Good point and wouldnt this be a security threat for the company's data that is being transmitted over a non secure (noncompany) PC and being on a network with the rest of the computers in the house? If that secure data was mine as a customer to said company i would be none too happy!!!! I can hear hackers now wringing their hands together in anticipation!!!!! He He!! | |
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Chandler, AZ | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban said by reddog6102:company's data that is being transmitted over a non secure (noncompany) PC i *highly* doubt that ibm is making its teleworkers use their own pcs
being on a network with the rest of the computers in the house
different than if the company was paying for the internet line how? i also highly doubt that if a company was paying for an internet connection that the teleworkers were making a "work only" network.
I can hear hackers now wringing their hands together in anticipation!!!!!
of course you are forgetting the major pwnage that has already happened to companies with corporate pcs on corporate networks.
other than that, great post...
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| | | | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban If the company was smart security wise they would supply the employee a dedicated dsl line with a vpn router that restricts and tracks all ip traffic by the corporate server!  within a day or two junior with his own connection in his room on this network trying to look at "".com would be blocked by the vpn servers and employee would be given warnings by corporate security. Of course that is if they were smart security wise  | |
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| | | tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
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Chandler, AZ | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban said by reddog6102:If the company was smart security wise they would supply the employee a dedicated dsl line with a vpn router that restricts and tracks all ip traffic by the corporate server! you would think so, wouldn't you.
but lets look at this in depth.
why would a company spend on the order of $200/person for the vpn router, plus the dsl line's recurring monthly fee (which would have to have a static ip address for a decent l2l vpn setp), and all of the man hours supporting such a setup when it would be easier to require an employee to just *go into work*. if the data moving back and forth is *that* sensitive then it has no business traversing an "untrusted" network. if an employee was *required* to be remote, then the company should pick up the tab as this is a large fee that would not be incurred otherwise by the teleworker.
this is my issue with armchair "security experts". many people can "find issues with a setup" but can't really exploit the holes of which they speak. network security is very nebulous and abstract - a lot *could* happen, much less actually *does* happen. the important role that network security engineers play is deciding the trade-off factor for money spent vs. security achieved. some things are inherent in device configuration or network topology setups, etc and should be done as part of industry best-practices for whatever commercial or federal space the customer resides in. you then have to apply limits to what can and cannot leave the premises (in terms of network data). you can't cross this threshold, otherwise the tens of thousands of dollars spent are for naught.
now, lets look at the "common" teleworker environment. more than likely, they are supplied a company pc (most often a laptop) with some sort of security enforcement agent (windows ad, novell, cisco's csa, etc). this defines a policy for what is and isn't allowed on the pc (or its doings online). this pc also would have some sort of remote-access agent (i.e. vpn) made by checkpoint, cisco, nokia, etc. this agent would allow network traffic destined for a company-based server to be routed over an encrypted tunnel back to the office. this would provide access to network shares and e-mail (which is what most teleworkers need) as well as whatever network apps may be required. it is the responsibility of the coporate it department to realize that no "sensitive" data should be remotely accessible.
i work from home/remotely about 75% of my time. i am responsible for the upkeep/implementation/auditing of networks that range from simple education networks to those used in state and federal governments for law enforcement, medical, and confidential (contains personally identifiable information [ssn etc]). all of my work is done over a residential cable connection (or over a wireless broadband card) that shares the network with the rest of the computers in my house. never has there been a "security" issue and there never will be.
what you have failed to grasp in your posts is that money spent does not fix stupidity on the part of the teleworker or laziness on the part of the it staff. people can use residential connections to remote in to the office with no breach in security if everything is done to best practices. you have assumed that ibm was paying for point-to-point lines back to the office, which was not happening. the only difference in the before and after of this picture is who is paying for the bill. each teleworker had a residential (or soho connection) to the internet then, and they still have it; ibm is just not paying for it. you have just been spreading fud and equating that the most "airtight" security solution should be used, regardless of the cost of money or time spent supporting such a solution.
lets get real and understand what is *really* happening here, before we go on speading fud, mmmmk?
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| | | | | | Re: What is next field workers forced to pay for mobile broadban Can you say PORT SCAN  HeHeHe!!! I work in the IT world and install networks and maintain them as well. I guess i'm an idiot and you arent I'm just saying that it cant be that secure if its on the same subnet as the rest of your house. Now go ahead and say what you want but we will have to agree to disagree on this one | |
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