 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | A film worth it? said by Karl :
If true, it begs the question whether the revenues of a film studio are worth disrupting the revenue streams, connectivity, and 911 services for dozens of other companies. Absolutely not. |
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA kudos:1 | And is it worth a FBI investigation? IMO, NO.
Let the MPAA/RIAA hire their own chumps. |
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 | reply to Matt3 It is absolutely worth it -- this is a theft that could cost an American company tens- to hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a gross theft of intellectual property and creative material and it has to be stopped. |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | reply to hopeflicker said by hopeflicker:And is it worth a FBI investigation? IMO, NO. The studio spent $100 million dollars making this movie. That automatically makes it of interest to the FBI - very high profile and an easy win to track down the leaker. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA kudos:1 | reply to DufiefData said by DufiefData:It is absolutely worth it -- this is a theft Hey! look, there's that word again.  |
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 Bit00Premium join:2009-02-19 00000 | reply to DufiefData What about Core IP? What about Core IP's customers? Who is going to compensate them for their losses?
When it turns out that Core IP had nothing to do with it, the MPAA membership and FBI should be liable to reimburse Core IP and their customers for this avoidable interference in their business. |
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1 edit | reply to hopeflicker said by hopeflicker:said by DufiefData:It is absolutely worth it -- this is a theft Hey! look, there's that word again. Yeah, it's a knee jerk reaction by people when they call infringement theft. I suppose theft is much more glamorous sounding and attention getting than infringement.
That being said, theft is a possibility if the person without authorization took the media on which the movie was stored. |
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 Bit00Premium join:2009-02-19 00000 | reply to DufiefData Copyright infringement isn't theft. It's copyright infringement. |
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 JoelC707Premium join:2002-07-09 West Point, GA kudos:5 | reply to Bit00 I absolutely 100% agree with you and was coming here to ask that very same question. Let alone the businesses that have lost countless thousands or millions because of this, what about the 911 issues they caused? I'd hate to be the one that has to explain this when inevitably someone has been inconvenienced or worse by the lack of phone/911 service because of this.
And regarding the other businesses colocated there, there needs to be some kind of procedure in place to prevent collateral damage. The FBI had NO BUSINESS turning everything off like they did. I'd be willing to bet they stormed in at gunpoint and flipped every breaker they could find without any regards for what it might do. I realize most of them aren't computer savvy but I'll bet they don't do that again if it ruins the very data they needed to make the case because they caused a head crash on the drive.  |
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 KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ 1 edit | reply to Matt3 what right does the FBI have to shut those servers off? Core IP should have said no we will not power down current customers.
one movie is in no way at all worth more then even one business customer's connection.
Core IP should sue the MPAA, the studio and the FBI for the value of all refunds their contracts will likely require them to pay their customers. |
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 swhx7Premium join:2006-07-23 Elbonia | reply to DufiefData Of course it's worth investigating. But it doesn't justify trampling on the rights and property of lots of innocent citizens or companies, and imposing large costs on them, when the investigation could be handled more intelligently by tracing the path of the leaked release in non-destructive ways. |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 3 edits | reply to Kearnstd said by Kearnstd:what right does the FBI have to shut those servers off? Core IP should have said no we will not power down current customers. one movie is in no way at all worth more then even one business customer's connection.Core IP should sue the MPAA, the studio and the FBI for the value of all refunds their contracts will likely require them to pay their customers. The FBI had a warrant. Core-IP has NOTHING to say about if they are seized or not. If they refused, the FBI would do it themselves. And if they tried to stop the FBI from executing a court ordered warrant they would be arrested.
There is NO proof that the raid on Core IP had anything to do with it. Both Simpson's blog and the news story link mention NOTHING about a movie tie-in. »CBS news report has no mention to movie investigation -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 | reply to Linklist If this raid is a direct response to the Wolv-Leak, do you approve of it? NV |
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 | reply to Bit00 Actually, amendments to the copyright act have made copyright violations a criminal act in the U.S. It's unfortunate, but US lawmakers, at the urging of lobbyists for the film and music industry will probably keep ramping up the criminal penalties in response to uncontrollable actions in foreign countries that turn a blind eye to copyright violations. The US-based film and music industry has little influence in those countries (and most likely never will). Although the media in the US doesn't focus on it, we have plenty of working poor people in this country (and that number is swelling), but our government doesn't look at issues like price gouging or monopolistic practices that encourage price gouging. Foreign governments that turn a blind eye on copyright infringement generally believe their citizens shouldn't have to pay what western copyright holders charge, even though their citizens are benefiting from opened US trade and the shifting of jobs from the US to their countries. The movie studios and music industry had best look at their business models as more and more US-based production disappears. When the majority of the citizenry in this country are working minimum wage jobs, they're going to have a hard time giving away their product here, let alone selling it at inflated prices. |
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to DufiefData said by DufiefData:It is absolutely worth it -- this is a theft that could cost an American company tens- to hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a gross theft of intellectual property and creative material and it has to be stopped. So then, you'd voluntarily bring your company's business to a halt, for a week or more, if it would aid an MPAA affiliate investigate a leak after the fact? NV -- In my perfect religion, a giant hole appears and sucks up all the lousy people. I call it the Crapture. |
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to JoelC707 Like everyone else on Earth, Law Enforcement isn't perfect.
If law enforcement escapes some sort of deterrent against poor judgment, we'll have more poor judgment from law enforcement.
It's a lot easier to support LE Agencies when I can trust them.
NV -- In my perfect religion, a giant hole appears and sucks up all the lousy people. I call it the Crapture. |
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 Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium join:2003-05-31 Valhalla kudos:6 Reviews:
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1 edit | reply to Noah Vail quote: So then, you'd voluntarily bring your company's business to a halt, for a week or more, if it would aid an MPAA affiliate investigate a leak after the fact?
It stands to reason that usually a crime must be committed first so any investigation is after the fact. What are you getting at here?
Of course there can be investigations before a crime is committed to prevent a crime but that is not what happened here according to the news report.
As for companies voluntarily halting production for an investigation is this anything new?
Edit* Added more.
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | reply to Noah Vail said by Noah Vail:If this raid is a direct response to the Wolv-Leak, do you approve of it? NV It wasn't.
But IF it was and the FBI convinced a judge that a search & seizure warrant was justified, I would have no problem with it. Of course, if the FBI exceeded their authority and seized MORE than what was authorized, then damages should be awarded and a reprimand against the FBI agents exceeding their warrant should be pursued internally at the FBI. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA kudos:2 Reviews:
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2 edits | reply to Linklist said by Linklist:Re: A film worth it?said by Kearnstd:Is a film worth it?what right does the FBI have to shut those servers off? Core IP should have said no we will not power down current customers. Is a film worth it? one movie is in no way at all worth more then even one business customer's connection.Core IP should sue the MPAA, the studio and the FBI for the value of all refunds their contracts will likely require them to pay their customers. Is a film worth it?The FBI had a warrant. Core-IP has NOTHING to say about if they are seized or not. If they refused, the FBI would do it themselves. And if they tried to stop the FBI from executing a court ordered warrant they would be arrested. Is a film worth it?There is NO proof that the raid on Core IP had anything to do with it. Both Simpson's blog and the news story link mention NOTHING about a movie tie-in. I gather your point is that you are unable to answer the oft repeated question, until you know if the raid is connected with the movie leak.
Hmmm. This is a lot like conversations with O'Bama supporters. Unitedly unable to provide direct answers to clearly worded questions.
NV
EDIT: I DID receive an unambiguous answer above, a time after I put this up. The progress we've made is truly gratifying. Thank you. NV |
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