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Re: Sneaker store required to scan drivers license for returns! in many states it IS illegal. »www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=I···aq=f&oq= it depends on the state, but in any case, it's NOT a good idea to allow that, as they could use the info on the card to do things it was never intended for.. |
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 Greg_ZPremium
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Springfield, IL | For Illinois & others, it is a OK practice.
According to Illinois law, it is OK to scan licenses and IDs as long as scanning doesn’t decode "encrypted" information.
The magic word is "encrypted." The law says it is illegal to have or use any hardware or software that can be used in reading the encrypted language from the bar code or magnetic strip of an Illinois driver’s license or ID card.
"Encrypted" means more than the information is in code—it means that the information is in a secret code. Secret codes can’t be cracked without secret information. Cracking the secret code that encrypts certain information, then, is what the new law specifically prohibits. |
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Mele20Premium
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | Encrypted information would be your fingerprints. I don't think a merchant has the right to that information. |
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Greg_ZPremium
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Springfield, IL | Again, re-read the copy & paste. To make things easy for you, yes the cannot decrypt info on the license, but yes, they can scan it to verify if you are a habitual thief. |
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Mele20Premium
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | What does being a thief have to do with this thread? I thought someone returned some sneakers and had the receipt. So, where does thief come into play?
I can't imagine trying to return something without the receipt. I have never in my entire life tried that. Why would I? I didn't know you could do that. I don't think stores should allow that.
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Puyallup, WA
kudos:1 | said by Mele20:I can't imagine trying to return something without the receipt. I have never in my entire life tried that. Why would I? I didn't know you could do that. I don't think stores should allow that. Really? 
Receipts can be legitimately be lost.... It's not the end of the world. That's why allot of retailers ask for your phone # ... they keep a copy of your transaction for cases just like this.
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Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | in Canada, walmarts ask for your birth certificate if you return something without a receipt |
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Greg_ZPremium
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Springfield, IL | reply to Mele20
Those are the ones that cause this to happen. |
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said by Greg_Z:For Illinois & others, it is a OK practice. For clarity's sake, the issue isn't a matter of what a particular State allows as an acceptable practice.
It's about the legally binding contract between MC/Visa & their customers.
e.g., There's no doubt whatsoever that scanning a drivers license during the course of a POS is
not allowed under the current agreement that's in place between MC/Visa, regardless of any State law.
Of course the agreement cannot give a right to a customer that's prohibited by a State that touches a part of the transaction, but contracts routinely forbid practices that would, in the absence of a contract, be otherwise "OK".
So obviously, any reference to a particular State's law isn't central to the question, but back to the question, does the mandatory scanning of a drivers license for the return of merchandise
fall within a merchants rights under the agreement? At this point I've been able unable to find anything that specifically allows or prohibits the practice, so in light of that, I honestly can't make a call on "OK" or not "OK", but if the practice becomes common, we will see the matter addressed directly. |
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Los Angeles, CA
kudos:2 | said by Snowy:said by Greg_Z:For Illinois & others, it is a OK practice. For clarity's sake, the issue isn't a matter of what a particular State allows as an acceptable practice. It's about the legally binding contract between MC/Visa & their customers. e.g., There's no doubt whatsoever that scanning a drivers license during the course of a POS is not allowed under the current agreement that's in place between MC/Visa, regardless of any State law. Of course the agreement cannot give a right to a customer that's prohibited by a State that touches a part of the transaction, but contracts routinely forbid practices that would, in the absence of a contract, be otherwise "OK". So obviously, any reference to a particular State's law isn't central to the question, but back to the question, does the mandatory scanning of a drivers license for the return of merchandise fall within a merchants rights under the agreement? At this point I've been able unable to find anything that specifically allows or prohibits the practice, so in light of that, I honestly can't make a call on "OK" or not "OK", but if the practice becomes common, we will see the matter addressed directly. You're not using credit card when you're returning so I don't see why it would fall under credit card agreement. Now, if they try to do when you were making a purchase, it would clear be agaisnt the credit card agreement(contract). |
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Da wet coast
kudos:3 | reply to Snowy
If it happens often enough, past precedence is set, and can be challenged in a court of law. And, whomever will win; good or bad guy. |
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| said by Its a Secret:If it happens often enough, past precedence is set, and can be challenged in a court of law. And, whomever will win; good or bad guy. GRRR! It's not about point of law (although it could eventually end up as one), it's about whether the practice falls within the terms of the merchant agreement. |
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kudos:3 | That's what I said, broheim...  |
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