tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| More people are less stupid in NY Metro..
Whichever provider gives them the best 'bang for the buck' will have a sizeable chunk of the broadband market and will be profitable for future upgrades when they become necessary. What the other 4/5ths of the cable industry is heading for is a showdown with last mile telcos.
Down the line, one of three things will happen:
1. AT&T joins the cable industry in putting hard data bit number caps into it's broadband dsl package (a really stupid, short sighted move) which will move the rest of the industry that way.
2. AT&T gets serious about last mile upgrades and moves into FTTP 50-200mbit with g(X)ons.
3. A political firestorm over non-competitive markets will force some regulatory reforms which say that both last mile providers can't force customers to buy bit capped packages only.
In reality, they should be offering these bit capped deals at a substantial discount to their current unlimited offerings. To do anything else is to say that the cable industry in it's majority view has substantially changed terms of service to protect it's core VIDEO business-- and that's just the way it's going to be.
If AT&T decides to join the party.. maybe congress should revisit the issue of letting Telcos getting into the video business in the first place. As a carrot and stick.. IMO, I would use the VOIP as the bait to keeping the cable companies playing fair with last mile broadband.. you want to play cute.. either you'll be banned from providing VOIP services.. or we'll find a way to tax your business so much it wouldn't be worth billing by the byte (or with hard data caps) anymore.
Cablevision has a long-term perspective.. the rest of the industry is cutting into their broadband market to spite their video coax face. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by tmc8080  :If AT&T decides to join the party.. maybe congress should revisit the issue of letting Telcos getting into the video business in the first place. As a carrot and stick.. IMO, I would use the VOIP as the bait to keeping the cable companies playing fair with last mile broadband.. you want to play cute.. either you'll be banned from providing VOIP services.. or we'll find a way to tax your business so much it wouldn't be worth billing by the byte (or with hard data caps) anymore. But deregulation means more free market rights and less civil rights violations for corporations! |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
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said by tmc8080 :1. AT&T joins the cable industry in putting hard data bit number caps into it's broadband dsl package (a really stupid, short sighted move) which will move the rest of the industry that way. I've never been an AT&T customer (at least not in this incarnation), but from the outside looking in, it appears that this company has no vision or goals and changes as the wind blows. I've realized that there is a pattern to AT&T.
1. Hear some half-baked idea that consumers will hate.
2. Immediately announce it as something you'll implement within the next year, and then don't.
3. Pretend nobody knows what they're talking about when they ask you later why it never happened, or,
4. Dabble in the dumb idea and then apologize if caught.
5. Wait until the last minute, then,
6. Wait more.
This is management by trial balloon. They go every direction at once resulting in no actual progress.
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| If you are a customer you learn early on to just ignore what they say and wait to see what they actually do. This started with Big Ed shooting his mouth off. What I do know is that I am paying $10 less a month than Comcast wants for the same speed tier, and at the moment there are no restrictions on DSL use unlike what Comcast imposes (no servers, usage caps, etc.).
I don't think they even bother with the balloons. Some AT&T marketing droid farts out some stupid idea and then they all watch the reaction. |
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KrK
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to tmc8080
#1 is a given.
#2 could be a long, long way off.
#3 Is iffy, I doubt it will happen, unfortunately. |
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morbo
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| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :no servers, usage caps, etc.). in case you missed the memo, AT&T has mentioned that they are considering caps for the internet services. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| reply to funchords
said by funchords :said by tmc8080 :1. AT&T joins the cable industry in putting hard data bit number caps into it's broadband dsl package (a really stupid, short sighted move) which will move the rest of the industry that way. I've never been an AT&T customer (at least not in this incarnation), but from the outside looking in, it appears that this company has no vision or goals and changes as the wind blows. I've realized that there is a pattern to AT&T. 1. Hear some half-baked idea that consumers will hate. 2. Immediately announce it as something you'll implement within the next year, and then don't. 3. Pretend nobody knows what they're talking about when they ask you later why it never happened, or, 4. Dabble in the dumb idea and then apologize if caught. 5. Wait until the last minute, then, 6. Wait more. This is management by trial balloon. They go every direction at once resulting in no actual progress. You are probably right.. though not competing has consequences for the entire industry.. the perception that a non-competitive duopoly exists.. [therefore, tweedle dumb=Comcast, tweedle dumber=AT&T::::combined, they make up about 2/3 the geography of last mile in the USA] Inviting regulators to reconsider how companies upgrade/charge for broadband.
So is it crazy like a fox, or just plain crazy? Verizon waited until sometime in 1994 to begin it's crappy DSL builds.. then realized that much of their last mile copper was inadequate nearly 10 years later and the build was several million over budget.
Who knows.. We are beginning to see customer pushback & backlash. Maybe they think that congress is too focused on the banks, cabinet positions, the economy, and international affairs to realize that they are trying to desensitize consumers to a new form of price gouging... whereas its actually doing the opposte.. pissing them off, more and more day by day.. by the looks of this thread, enough to finally do something about it! |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to morbo
said by morbo :said by RadioDoc :no servers, usage caps, etc.). in case you missed the memo, AT&T has mentioned that they are considering caps for the internet services. Considering. Go back and read what I posted. |
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