pnh102
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Re: In this day and age...
said by S_engineer  :thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! Go blame the people whose house are passed by fiber but who also choose to not buy it.
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hayabusa3303
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wifi4milez
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said by pnh102 :said by S_engineer :thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! Go blame the people whose house are passed by fiber but who also choose to not buy it. Or those who see no benefit to it at all. Keep in mind that most people these days are buying based on cost, NOT simply frothing at the mouth when they hear the word "fiber". There is a reason that the 'Lite' broadband tier (usually less than 1Mbps) is the most popular these days. The promise of 50Mbps speeds sounds great to those of us on this forum, however for the family looking to cut costs its meaningless.
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baineschile
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And a lot of people dont care either |
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S_engineer
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You raise an interesting point....whats the point of having 50Mbps speeds with a cap and overage costs looming overhead!
The cap essentially kills the need for higher speeds except for those that don't use their connections to the fullest extent!
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Nightfall
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| said by S_engineer :You raise an interesting point....whats the point of having 50Mbps speeds with a cap and overage costs looming overhead! The cap essentially kills the need for higher speeds except for those that don't use their connections to the fullest extent! I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to baineschile
I agree. As long as I get a connection to the internet of reasonable speed I couldn't care less.
What I really would have liked to have FiOS for is the TV service. |
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S_engineer
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I know Verizons not capping, so let me rephrase....theres no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. Comcast has the most generous cap, however a 50m tier would make you reach the cap much faster.
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Nightfall
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| said by S_engineer :I know Verizons not capping, so let me rephrase....theres no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. Comcast has the most generous cap, however a 50m tier would make you reach the cap much faster. Depends on the customer that is downloading. I have friends who have FIOS that don't download 125gb in a month. Overall though, you are right. There really is no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. I see FIOS as a way for users to be able to switch from their capped lines to a non capped system. FIOS sells itself though. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
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said by Nightfall :I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps »Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95 |
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Nightfall
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| said by patcat88 :said by Nightfall :I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps » Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95 Wow, 100GB limit. 4 times that of Comcast. Still, good to know if you live in Utah and have access to the FIOS. I didn't know that so thanks for sharing. |
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JPL
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said by patcat88 :said by Nightfall :I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case. Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps » Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95 He was talking FiOS... not Utopia. Verizon doesn't cap their FiOS internet service. Unless he was confusing fiber with FiOS. If he was saying that all fiber services are uncapped, then I agree with you. |
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
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said by Eat Me :I agree. As long as I get a connection to the internet of reasonable speed I couldn't care less. That's like making the statement in 1910, "I don't care about the model T, its just as fast as my horse."
Now today can you imagine if we were all still riding horses?
The problem is that by not building the fiber infastructure we are stunting progress. There are applications *not* being developed right now becuase there isn't enough bandwidth to get it to the consumer.
And the real problem is that in 1996, we gave the telcos billions in tax payer dollars to build the network for us. If memory serves, the telcos agreed to build out to 80% of the homes by 2004. So it's 2009 and we are at 4%. But the telcos have the billions and have invested that money in restoring their monopoly and selling us that copper is all we need.
Imagine if the US government gave Henry Ford a billion dollars in 1910 and the exclusive right to produce the automobile in America and he invested in horse breeding? |
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1 edit | Actually your comparison isn't quite accurate.
Instead of a Model T, how about a honda civic versus a Cadillac Escalade.
Both can get me from point A to point B.
I have 30Mbps down/2Mbps up. I would like more upload but it works fine for me, for now. When there is a justification to do a full FTTH deployment, the cable companies are 3/4 of the way there, so they can just extend the fiber from the node to your house.
Verizon's FiOS product today isn't much different from cable at all. The speeds they are offering are well within what cable can offer and what is being offered in many markets.
Let me ask YOU the question - what do YOU need a fiber optic connection for? It's nice to have, but what do you need it for? |
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uid1307457
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said by baineschile :And a lot of people dont care either i dont |
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dvd536
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| said by uid1307457 :said by baineschile :And a lot of people dont care either i dont because in a qwest state theres no way you're ever going to get fibre[unless its in your cereal]
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Now this ISP really sucks, they offer 100mb/100mb fiber internet with a whopping 10GB MONTHLY transfer for $37.95 a month.
»online.localtel.net/grf.htm
Luckily, for customers of the fiber optic network they can choose from a few different isp providers since the network is owned by the county PUD which resells access to whatever ISP wants to offer internet to it's customers.
One ISP is offering 100/100 for $40 a month with no cap, another has 70/70 (no cap) for $40. |
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
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What do I need it for? Things that I haven't even imagined yet.
The point I'm trying to make is that companies are restricted in what they develop becuase it has to be compressed to fit down a 500 kbps connection.
If 80% of the homes in America had 80 Mbps connections can you imageine some of the apps that might be out there? Here's some ideas:
1. Multiple applications - today we use the internet for one thing at a time. Why not have it do 10 things?
2. The power company pings your house and knows immediately when your power is out.
2. Video chat instead of phone calls.
3. Virtually walk through a home on a real estate website.
4. Cyber malls.
Limitless possibilities. Things we don't even know to think about.
When the first computer was created in the 1950's I believe it was the magazine Popular Science said something to the affect of, "there will probably only be demand to build at most 4 computers in the world." |
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bender
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said by dvd536 :said by uid1307457 :said by baineschile :And a lot of people dont care either i dont because in a qwest state theres no way you're ever going to get fibre[unless its in your cereal] lol |
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