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Topic 'Re: In this day and age...' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205005 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:14:46 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:14:46 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22211086 said by dvd536:

said by uid1307457:

said by baineschile:

And a lot of people dont care either

i dont

because in a qwest state theres no way you're ever going to get fibre[unless its in your cereal]
lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22211086 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:14:54 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22210006
The point I'm trying to make is that companies are restricted in what they develop becuase it has to be compressed to fit down a 500 kbps connection.

If 80% of the homes in America had 80 Mbps connections can you imageine some of the apps that might be out there? Here's some ideas:
1. Multiple applications - today we use the internet for one thing at a time. Why not have it do 10 things?
2. The power company pings your house and knows immediately when your power is out.
2. Video chat instead of phone calls.
3. Virtually walk through a home on a real estate website.
4. Cyber malls.

Limitless possibilities. Things we don't even know to think about.
When the first computer was created in the 1950's I believe it was the magazine Popular Science said something to the affect of, "there will probably only be demand to build at most 4 computers in the world." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22210006 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:40:31 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22209336 The cost of copper cable is making fiber a much more viable option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22209336 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:48:35 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22208263
»online.localtel.net/grf.htm

Luckily, for customers of the fiber optic network they can choose from a few different isp providers since the network is owned by the county PUD which resells access to whatever ISP wants to offer internet to it's customers.

One ISP is offering 100/100 for $40 a month with no cap, another has 70/70 (no cap) for $40.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22208263 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:00:42 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22208025 said by uid1307457:

said by baineschile:

And a lot of people dont care either

i dont
because in a qwest state theres no way you're ever going to get fibre[unless its in your cereal]
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And a lot of people dont care either
i dont]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22207377 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:50:00 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22207059
Instead of a Model T, how about a honda civic versus a Cadillac Escalade.

Both can get me from point A to point B.

I have 30Mbps down/2Mbps up. I would like more upload but it works fine for me, for now. When there is a justification to do a full FTTH deployment, the cable companies are 3/4 of the way there, so they can just extend the fiber from the node to your house.

Verizon's FiOS product today isn't much different from cable at all. The speeds they are offering are well within what cable can offer and what is being offered in many markets.

Let me ask YOU the question - what do YOU need a fiber optic connection for? It's nice to have, but what do you need it for?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22207059 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:41:49 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22206063 said by fifty nine:

I agree. As long as I get a connection to the internet of reasonable speed I couldn't care less.

That's like making the statement in 1910, "I don't care about the model T, its just as fast as my horse."
Now today can you imagine if we were all still riding horses?
The problem is that by not building the fiber infastructure we are stunting progress. There are applications *not* being developed right now becuase there isn't enough bandwidth to get it to the consumer.

And the real problem is that in 1996, we gave the telcos billions in tax payer dollars to build the network for us. If memory serves, the telcos agreed to build out to 80% of the homes by 2004. So it's 2009 and we are at 4%. But the telcos have the billions and have invested that money in restoring their monopoly and selling us that copper is all we need.
Imagine if the US government gave Henry Ford a billion dollars in 1910 and the exclusive right to produce the automobile in America and he invested in horse breeding? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22206063 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:33:08 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205939
The charge for services can vary quite a bit depending on a lot of factors, but specifically referring to Verizon's cost per home we don't really need to estimate. They regularly publish their average cost per house passed and connected.

»policyblog.verizon.com/PolicyBlo···iOS.aspx

There is probably a more recent reference, but this is the first one that came up in Google specifically from Verizon themselves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205939 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:11:48 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205676 said by patcat88:

said by Nightfall:

I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case.

Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps »Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95
He was talking FiOS... not Utopia. Verizon doesn't cap their FiOS internet service. Unless he was confusing fiber with FiOS. If he was saying that all fiber services are uncapped, then I agree with you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205676 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:26:35 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205663 said by patcat88:

Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps »Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95
Wow, 100GB limit. 4 times that of Comcast. Still, good to know if you live in Utah and have access to the FIOS. I didn't know that so thanks for sharing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205663 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:24:58 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205650 said by AVonGauss:

It's expensive, but its a bit lower than $2000... ;)
You are right. Probably realistically about $1500 with labor. It all depends on the length of the run and what equipment they use. I know we terminated a 400 foot run of fiber last year for $1000 and that wasn't with top notch equipment. We spent nothing on labor because we have someone who knows fiber good enough to do it themselves.

The point is this....

The breakeven point for FIOS is still high enough where not everyone is getting it. That is why they are only deploying it in expensive housing developments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205650 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:22:47 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205642 said by Nightfall:

I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case.
Your wrong. The Panacea UTOPIA has caps »Utopia: Symmetrical 50Mbps for $39.95]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205642 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:21:16 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205572 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205572 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:06:28 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205555 said by S_engineer:

I know Verizons not capping, so let me rephrase....theres no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. Comcast has the most generous cap, however a 50m tier would make you reach the cap much faster.
Depends on the customer that is downloading. I have friends who have FIOS that don't download 125gb in a month. Overall though, you are right. There really is no incentive for other providers to switch due to a cap. I see FIOS as a way for users to be able to switch from their capped lines to a non capped system. FIOS sells itself though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205555 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:04:16 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205241 --
"When I was in junior high school, the teachers voted me the student most likely to end up in the electric chair."---Sylvestor Stallone]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205241 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:15:23 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205195 said by S_engineer:

thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years!
We can also blame the cost of terminating the fiber. The cost of terminating both ends of a fiber connection can run $2000 in hardware/labor. Time will bring the cost of the hardware down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205195 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:08:10 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205183 said by DaveDude:

It took 20-40 years for copper to reach the point it is today, it will probably take just as long, for fiber to reach total penetration.
Heck, It was back in 1995 with TRIALS were launched in a few major cities for broadband. It wasn't until 1996 when it was available in major cities and adoption rates were low. In 1998 I lived in a city and was using ISDN for my internet connection because there were no cable/dsl internet. It wasn't until 1999 when that changed.

You are right. FIOS is a very young technology. It took 14 years to get where we are now for broadband internet and we still don't have nationwide adoption rates for it. FIOS is going to take a while to get around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205183 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:06:19 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205166
What I really would have liked to have FiOS for is the TV service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205166 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:04:25 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205163 said by S_engineer:

You raise an interesting point....whats the point of having 50Mbps speeds with a cap and overage costs looming overhead!

The cap essentially kills the need for higher speeds except for those that don't use their connections to the fullest extent!
I may be wrong here, but there are no FIOS services that are capping right now. The players are all cable/DSL so far. That being said, I could be wrong a year down the road, but right now that just isn't the case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205163 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:03:29 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205124
The cap essentially kills the need for higher speeds except for those that don't use their connections to the fullest extent!
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said by S_engineer:

thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years!

Go blame the people whose house are passed by fiber but who also choose to not buy it.
Or those who see no benefit to it at all. Keep in mind that most people these days are buying based on cost, NOT simply frothing at the mouth when they hear the word "fiber". There is a reason that the 'Lite' broadband tier (usually less than 1Mbps) is the most popular these days. The promise of 50Mbps speeds sounds great to those of us on this forum, however for the family looking to cut costs its meaningless.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205064 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:45:26 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205032 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205032 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:38:19 EDT Re: In this day and age... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-In-this-day-and-age-22205026 said by S_engineer:

thats actually kind of sad. We should be further along than that. On the other hand, maybe copper can be milked for another 100 years! Go blame the people whose house are passed by fiber but who also choose to not buy it.
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