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Re: stupid pirates

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:28:09 EDT

sivran posted : Er, CDs are already digital. ;) /pedant

Re: stupid pirates

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:59:23 EDT

v35_pilot posted :

said by dodgetech2:

yeah, but for $6.80 a month, you could easily download hundreds if not thousands of dollars of content.

Irrelevant and a non sequitur. JazzJRabit stated one could not buy a used CD for $6.80 and my response countered that point. It had nothing to do with comparing Amazon to Pirate Bay's price-to-quantity ratio.

Re: stupid pirates

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:04:53 EDT

dodgetech2 posted :

said by v35_pilot:

said by JazzJRabbit:

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

$6.80 wouldn't even buy you a used CD.

It would off Amazon's MP3 downloads. Depending on the sale, one might even be able to get a couple of CD collections of MP3s.

yeah, but for $6.80 a month, you could easily download hundreds if not thousands of dollars of content.

Re: stupid pirates

Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:36:51 EDT

Hangmn posted : Thats just it, we can go around ASSUMING all things are used for illegal and morally perverse reasons, its the the new post 9/11 mentality, outlaw and ask questions later. This the same snowball that people are citing for illegal wire tapping, saying " I have nothing to hide, let them tap all they want".Our freedoms are getting eroded because WE ARE LETTING THEM BE. We are under attack from the very government we elect and their corporate masters. I say fight on ALL fronts anything to break them...sorry if you all disagree...I will fight till the end. We were raped on Wall street AND have to pay to bail these Fuckers out. I am NOW WORKING to bail out corprate greed. I will fucking steal ANYTHING that is not nailed down..they pushed I am just pushing back.
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Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:43:23 EDT

hottboiinnc posted : Your WU is in violation of their own TOS. You have to fill out a transaction sheet as well.

That's why they have a form that states "prepaid services" on it.

Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:04:46 EDT

amigo_boy posted :

said by Hangmn:

all those devices you mentioned could be used for tobacco..

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

I didn't say a "smoke and hydroponic shop" *couldn't* sell things that have a legitimate purpose. I said that it's already established that isn't a defense of intentionally aiding and abetting illegitimate purposes.

I'm not saying the lines are clear. But, when a group names itself *Pirate* Bay, and implements a VPN to get around newely enacted rules to prevent piracy, arguing that it "could" be used for legitimate purposes is just a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" maneuver.

said by Hangmn:

I say remember the tea party??

I wasn't there personally. But, it was about the colonials being taxed by a law passed by the British parliament (not their elected representatives). Thus, "taxation without representation."

The Founders weren't opposed to taxation -- as long as it was passed by their elected representatives.

How does that apply to *Pirate* Bay making it easier to evade laws preventing stealing?

Mark

Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:47:38 EDT

Hangmn posted : what are you talking about? all those devices you mentioned could be used for tobacco..your comparison\premise is FLAWED. Only the **AAS get away with frivolous lawsuits in this country, essentially broadly extorting THOUSANDS of dollars, this whole thing is one sided. I say remember the tea party??
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Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:37:59 EDT

amigo_boy posted :

said by Hangmn:

Yeah RIGHT search engine, do you understand the technology? PB is no different than any other search engine out there.

It's already established that *intentionally* aiding and abetting is a crime. You can't open a "smoke shop" selling bongs, drip irrigation, day-grow lights, etc. and claim "I'm not selling weed."

PS. I don't support criminalization of weed. But, these kinds of "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" positions are really lame. It's obvious what *Pirate's* Bay is about. And, why they feel the need to implement a VPN.

Mark

Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:32:26 EDT

DaMaGeINC posted : I think its soo funny and stupid at the same time that people get all mad at others for pressing ctrl+c. Seriously. Grow up people.

Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:29:39 EDT

Hangmn posted :

said by biggbrother:

said by DaMaGeINC:

Again, walking into a store and physically stealing something is not the same as copying 1's and 0's.

So then you believe that the media on which the music is stored, in the store, accounts for nearly the entire purchase price then?

No we already know those prices are inflated by colusion
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Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:18:15 EDT

Hangmn posted :

said by BF69:

said by DrModem:

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

What is TBP stealing? They are just a search engine.

Yeah right "search engine". At any rate I was refering to the people that use PB not PB itself. I would have though that was more than obvious.

Yeah RIGHT search engine, do you understand the technology? PB is no different than any other search engine out there.
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Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:38:03 EDT

Lazlow posted : hottboiinnc

Western Union here does not ask for anything, no paperwork at all. You hand them the money and they hand you the card. It is pretty much the same at all the places that sell these cards.

Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:20:30 EDT

hottboiinnc posted : if the gov't was to request the numbers an the ISP or PB had to turn them over they could be tracked back to who loaded the card and where.

Like if you use Western Union to load a prepaid card credit/debit card they ask for your name on the form and it must match what is on the card. if they don't- they won't load the card. Many issuers of those cards require your name and your SSN as well due to the Patriot Act.

Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:09:18 EDT

biggbrother posted :

said by DaMaGeINC:

Again, walking into a store and physically stealing something is not the same as copying 1's and 0's.

So then you believe that the media on which the music is stored, in the store, accounts for nearly the entire purchase price then?
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Re: stupid pirates

Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:03:54 EDT

DaMaGeINC posted : Again, walking into a store and physically stealing something is not the same as copying 1's and 0's.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:48:56 EDT

derekge posted : There needs to be a trial basis for music:

$1 - gets you the entire album to listen to for xx days
$9 - buys the album - or - $1/song

There is nothing more convenient about getting music from TPB than deleting that album a week later because it sucks. That was the entire reason why Napster was so big 12+ years ago - because people were tired of paying $18 for an album that had one good song!

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:32:18 EDT

ThrowDemsOut posted :

said by bricktoppp:
Stop snitching

That certainly is the 1st rule for groups and people who break the law. They don't want to get caught. But I want them caught. I guess that makes me a "Law & Order" supporter.
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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:19:49 EDT

bricktoppp posted :

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:18:45 EDT

amigo_boy posted :

said by Doctor Four:

Furthermore, saying TPB is stealing is not only wrong (they only have metadata, no files), but the use of that word demonstrates a clear inability to do anything other than parrot media cartel propaganda.

I'm sorry, but their choice of names ("Pirate"), and providing tools to facilitate the verb form of that word is clear to everyone.

Personally, I like the way they're playing into the government's hand. This creates a perfect test case of what constitutes aiding and abetting.

BTW: I'm not a big fan of copyright as it stands now. I believe copyright is a social moderation to natural contract law, and that it was originally intended to benefit society in return for moderating the common law. That benefit was "fair use" and "public domain" (making society the ultimate owner).

The way copyright durations have extended to 5-10 times longer than they were 20-30 years ago, society is being shortchanged for its involvement in what should be a private transfer of property.

I can see piracy as a form of civil disobedience. But, most people engaging in piracy aren't thinking in such terms of reform. They just want stuff for free. I guess we could say that the imbalance in copyright is a direct result of the imbalance of civic virtue among the people today.

Mark

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:45:49 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by Nightfall:

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

There are many people out there who donate to private torrent sites to give them bandwidth or keep them in business. Then you have people willing to pay for Rapidshare accounts and download that way.

I have a friend who pays about $70 a year for a premium rapidshare account and pays $50 a year for private torrent sites for bandwidth and donations. He figures the $120 a year he spends saves him tens of thousands of dollars on music, movies, software, and so on.

I don't subscribe to this line of thinking, but there are people out there that do.

So you friend is a thief then. Pure and simple. He should be jailed. Maybe I'll go into wal-mart and get a new HDTV but instead of paying the price they want I've give wal-mart $20 and wlak out then door. I'll save thousands of $$ a year shopping that way.

It's dickheads like your friend that make shit more difficult for the rest of us. Tell your friend to ask his boss at Burger King to give him a raise so he can afford his 99 cent songs.

Your friend and people like him need to learn THEY don't get to dictate price. And if they don't like the price they don't have to buy, but they also don't get to have the item wither.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:40:05 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by jmn1207:

said by biggbrother:

said by jmn1207:

I think this just indicates that some people are willing to pay what they believe is a fair price for DRM-free content in the format they want. There is a market out there just waiting to be exploited.

Yeah, and they can do exactly that at Amazon MP3.

Evidently, some people do not feel that the price is fair or that the quality is good enough,

So then don;t buy it. That doesn't mean steal it. If I want to buy a certain type of car and I don't feel the price is a fair price that doens't mean I just steal the car. It means I tell the guy selling it that I'm not paying that price and if he want my business he lowers the price or we go our separate ways.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:36:45 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by DrModem:

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

What is TBP stealing? They are just a search engine.

Yeah right "search engine". At any rate I was refering to the people that use PB not PB itself. I would have though that was more than obvious.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:04:02 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by otty:

Ya but then you are pirating by ripping the CD. You just can't win, so might as well get whatever you want for free.

For now, according to US copyright laws, it is still considered legal to convert CD's to a digital format, provided it is only for personal use.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:53:42 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by biggbrother:

Yeah, and they can do exactly that at Amazon MP3.

Evidently, some people do not feel that the price is fair or that the quality is good enough, and because piracy seems to be such a problem, apparently that number of people is significant. There will never be a perfect situation that completely eliminates piracy, but rather than play a hopeless game of ping pong with pirates, it seems like there is much that can be done to reduce it by compromising a bit more with the consumers' wishes.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:46:47 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by C_:

there is no right to purchase something in a format of your choosing or at your own price :uhh: this isn't burger king you can't have it yor way :uhh:

I never said anything that indicated I felt it was a right. Your Burger King analogy is off the mark by quite a bit. I was simply pointing out that the current business models apparently create a breeding ground for copyright infringement. Piracy could be significantly reduced if only a fraction of the time and energy spent on attacking it directly were channeled into researching better distribution methods that satisfied more potential customers.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:19:52 EDT

biggbrother posted :

Yeah, and they can do exactly that at Amazon MP3.

The fact is that people who download from these sites simply have a thought process that doesn't allow them to see intellectual property as "real property". So they don't think they have to pay anyone for it.

God forbid that their computer, or other personal belongings, is stolen. Then they would be the first to the cops. :uhh:
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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:10:10 EDT

otty posted : Ya but then you are pirating by ripping the CD. You just can't win, so might as well get whatever you want for free.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:55:32 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted :

said by Nightfall:

said by PaulHikeS2:

said by PQN01900 :

Downloading copyrighted material is not copyright infringement, piracy, nor is it theft.

Correct. Only unauthorized downloading of copyrighted material fits those definitions.

Which still makes it illegal and should carry stiff penalties.

That's my point. I download copyrighted material all of the time, which is not illegal because my downloads are authorized. Downloading copyrighted material is not illegal, only unauthorized downloading is.
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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:47:31 EDT

C_ posted : there is no right to purchase something in a format of your choosing or at your own price :uhh: this isn't burger king you can't have it yor way :uhh:
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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:26:55 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by SinNombre:

I could see myself going for some Cars maybe, but I'm always wising I could get lossless versions instead of MP3. Just the nerd in me. But most stuff I'm interested in usually ends up being jazz or classical and some kind of out of print or imported recording, and those are mo' $$$ than just five or ten bucks.

On Amazon, you can almost always find used CD's from reputable vendors with thousands of positive ratings that sell for less than $5 with $3 shipping. I do this all of the time with hard to find music. Then you can easily rip the CD into any lossless format that you like and toss the CD in the trash.

Most of the Cars music collection is going for very cheap rates. Just about all of it could be shipped to your door for about $7, if you have the patience to wait for the delivery and don't mind getting a used CD.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:18:04 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by quatrix:

said by badtrip:

The fact that people are willing to pay a reasonable fee to access content is the real story here. Too bad the **AA and so-called anti-piracy idiots cant see that fact and instead are flabergasted that people will pay to pirate material.

You're full of it. $7 a month isn't a "reasonable fee" to steal as much as you want. As I said in an earlier post, the thieves' mission is to pay as little as possible, not a "reasonable" amount, without getting busted. If they were really interested in fair prices, they would let supply-and-demand do its job. If you think it's not worth the price, you don't pay, and prices come down. If prices stay where they are, then a significant number of people think they're fair.

You can't lump all PB users into the same group. You seem to think that the current online media distribution methods are perfect, and that all pirates are looking to circumvent these in any way possible. I don't think in such absolute terms.

The problem is that things are moving much too slowly and the current online media distribution methods are not ideal, as is indicated by the huge number of people that are continuing to pirate material. DRM is gone from most online music sites, which is a good start, and this action certainly brought in more customers; but, there is obviously some amount of money that many of these pirates are willing to pay. I would agree that $6.80/month is not that price point, but obviously something like $1.29 for an iTunes song is causing some potential customers to spend their money on other forms of entertainment while seeking alternate methods to get what they want.

How much could piracy be reduced if the prices were much cheaper and the product quality and versatility were improved? Supply and demand can have a broad range that can provide similar profits. This is especially true with regards to distributed products that cost next to nothing to store and duplicate. You can sell 10 items for $20 or 200 items for $1 and have identical profit margins. The problem is that one direction on the chart promotes piracy, and I don't believe the stubborn copyright holders are willing to find a sweet spot that minimizes counter-productive, alternative distribution methods from eating away at their profit potential. On the other hand, having the maximum number of customers offers more stability and introduces a plethora of opportunities.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:58:20 EDT

SinNombre posted :

said by v35_pilot:

said by SinNombre:

I dunno - never seen any music or video for less than $7 on Amazon that I wanted.

As always, YMMV, but in my case I picked up a classic Van Halen CD, Cars, Boston, and others in the form of MP3 downloads (all 256kbps bitrates) for between $1 and $3 per collection just by watching Amazon's daily deals page.

said by SinNombre:

Seen lots of old, old albums that I'm interested in that they want $20 or $30 for, though...

That reads to me like physical LPs? Naturally the older, out of print LPs would command a higher price.

Speaking of LPs, I used to run a smalltime DJ service back in the later years of high school, circa 1981 thru 1983. After I disbanded I sold several crates of albums back to used record stores for pennies on the dollar. Oh, if I had that collection today. Damn...

I could see myself going for some Cars maybe, but I'm always wising I could get lossless versions instead of MP3. Just the nerd in me. But most stuff I'm interested in usually ends up being jazz or classical and some kind of out of print or imported recording, and those are mo' $$$ than just five or ten bucks.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:45:58 EDT

v35_pilot posted :

said by SinNombre:

I dunno - never seen any music or video for less than $7 on Amazon that I wanted.

said by SinNombre:

Seen lots of old, old albums that I'm interested in that they want $20 or $30 for, though...

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:31:15 EDT

ThrowDemsOut posted :

said by Nightfall:

I know a few people who use Adobe Photoshop in a personal freelance business. They may make 20k a year, but they won't spend the money on Photoshop to make it legit. I know a couple small businesses who pirate 10-20 copies of similar software because its free instead of spending on the licenses to make it legit. Its really sad.

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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:23:30 EDT

badtrip posted : I don't recall posting $7 was a reasonable fee for anything much less "to steal as much as you want".

Go ahead and reread my post. Don't worry the "anti-piracy idiots" part wasn't referring to you in particular.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:22:52 EDT

BIGMIKE posted : This is stealing.

How to steal a cd and many more from stores without getting caught.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hfGElStcbw

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:19:53 EDT

Nightfall posted :

said by PaulHikeS2:

said by PQN01900 :

Downloading copyrighted material is not copyright infringement, piracy, nor is it theft.

Correct. Only unauthorized downloading of copyrighted material fits those definitions.

Which still makes it illegal and should carry stiff penalties.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:19:22 EDT

Nightfall posted :

said by baineschile:

I wish I had the time and effort to enjoy tens of thousands of dollars worth of music and movies every year

Some people do it just to say they have it. Some will do it just to get software to use every now and then but just don't see the value in spending on it. Others do it to really save money. I know a few people who use Adobe Photoshop in a personal freelance business. They may make 20k a year, but they won't spend the money on Photoshop to make it legit. I know a couple small businesses who pirate 10-20 copies of similar software because its free instead of spending on the licenses to make it legit. Its really sad.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:07:09 EDT

SinNombre posted :

said by v35_pilot:

said by JazzJRabbit:

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

$6.80 wouldn't even buy you a used CD.

It would off Amazon's MP3 downloads. Depending on the sale, one might even be able to get a couple of CD collections of MP3s.

I dunno - never seen any music or video for less than $7 on Amazon that I wanted.

Seen lots of old, old albums that I'm interested in that they want $20 or $30 for, though...

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:07:08 EDT

quatrix posted :

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:04:47 EDT

quatrix posted :

It has nothing to do with a "fair price". Their goal is to pay as little as possible without getting caught.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:03:43 EDT

SinNombre posted : Good one!

$7/ US is a bargain for that kind of service. But depends on how much you use it/ how paranoid you are.

Facebook says NO to Pirate Bay

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:26:22 EDT

ThrowDemsOut posted : »tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/2009···baylinks

The Pirate Bay added a "Share on Facebook" button around two weeks ago to its site that allowed its users to post links to small information files, called torrents, on Facebook. The torrents are used to download audio, video and other content via the BitTorrent P-to-P (peer-to-peer) file-sharing network.

Facebook is now blocking those so-called "bookmarklets" as well as any links from The Pirate Bay, said Peter Sunde, of The Pirate Bay. The development was first reported by the file-sharing blog TorrentFreak.

Sunde said he received an e-mail from Facebook justifying the action because of the legal proceedings against The Pirate Bay.

Good for Facebook.
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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:24:26 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted :

said by PQN01900 :

Downloading copyrighted material is not copyright infringement, piracy, nor is it theft.

Correct. Only unauthorized downloading of copyrighted material fits those definitions.
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Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:19:46 EDT

anon posted : Downloading copyrighted material is not copyright infringement, piracy, nor is it theft.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:41:17 EDT

cdru posted :

said by Doctor Four:

His post title is also wrong. Real pirates don't share what they get with anyone else (except of course their own shipmates). They certainly wouldn't do so with complete strangers.

Real pirates are the kind that attacked ships and took hostages off Somalia recently.

My friend Webster says that a pirate is someone who commits or practices piracy. He then says that piracy, among other things, is the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright. Seems to me like a file sharing pirate fits the definition of a pirate, just not necessarily of the swashbuckling type.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:25:40 EDT

badtrip posted :

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

The fact that people are willing to pay a reasonable fee to access content is the real story here. Too bad the **AA and so-called anti-piracy idiots cant see that fact and instead are flabergasted that people will pay to pirate material.

Actually, PB is going forward with an entertainment content business model that will likely be successful and profitable. This type of business model is the one that content creators should have pursued in the first place rather than trying to litigate and bully their way to keeping profitability.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:15:14 EDT

baineschile posted : I wish I had the time and effort to enjoy tens of thousands of dollars worth of music and movies every year

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:12:53 EDT

Omega posted :

said by BF69:

Ok won't pay for content but will pay PB so they can steal it? WTF?

People pay for newsgroups don't they? Same thing. I think people can accept to pay a fee for unlimited content.

Re: stupid pirates

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:08:04 EDT

Doctor Four posted : His post title is also wrong. Real pirates don't share what they get with anyone else (except of course their own shipmates). They certainly wouldn't do so with complete strangers.

Real pirates are the kind that attacked ships and took hostages off Somalia recently.

Furthermore, saying TPB is stealing is not only wrong (they only have metadata, no files), but the use of that word demonstrates a clear inability to do anything other than parrot media cartel propaganda.

Hope he enjoys his MAFIAA Koolaid...
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