Topic '[Connectivity] cable or nothing' in forum 'Comcast HSI' - dslreports.com

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:03:23 EDT

heat84 posted :

said by gogetem :

Look it obvious your out in the boonies being 2 miles away from any cable like you are. As i it your only choice is you and you and the other 5 neighbors in your 5 mile radius, all get your pitchforks out, get one of them there music players, and blast the music from deliverance, jump in the old red pickup, and storm on over to mayor jimbobs doublewide. Ill bet sure as shit he made himself one of them behind the barn deals with comcast and has hispeed all wired up at his place..once yall get there you need to have a good ole boy lynching and tell him yall need that there high speed on YOUR land and you arent living till he gets you the 100,000 yall need.

Now once you all get locked up and get done removing all the buckshot from your asses for just wanting hispeed, some bigshot at Comcast will see your story on CNN (Thats the Cable News Network a news station for city folk), and say "Hey yall, these folks are good people, fire up them cable trucks, lets run these folks some Hi-Speed". I mean seriously whats 100K to them , Brian Roberts burns that much up in gas for his jet in a week. Maybe they could even get one of there forked tongue, fast talking lawyers and bail yall out of the pokie. Hold on I need to fill my bong back up and well move on to what yall need for "Installation day".

LOL
If I was a redneck/hick/hillbilly I'd be very insulted.
They wouldn't go to jail if the mayor is also the sheriff. Uh-oh now I'm doing it. :p

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:48:51 EDT

anon posted : Lets do the math here.
Cable will run plant extentions if
a) private persons pay for it (i've seen it before)
b) they will see a profit return in reasonable time

Just an estimate, say it ends up costing $100,000 including overhead, labor, parts, etc. to provide service to the 47 houses along the stretch to you.
Now, if ALL 47 houses get cable service (unlikely due to dish contracts etc...) that comes to a one-time installation cost of $2127.66.
If each house then signs up for reasonable internet and cable, they should bring in approx $110/mo GROSS. Including service calls, equipment costs, distribution costs, plant maintenance that now has to be done there, you're looking at less than $20 net income the company will see.
You're looking at 106 months / ~9 YEARS before the plant extension has even been paid for.
Thats given that ALL the households will have that level of service for that entire period of time.
I'd say they would anticipate a 60% saturation rate with average level of service bringing in $70 gross/$12 net comes to ~24 years before its paid off.
Sorry sir, but from a business perspective, it's not a good investment.

I would look for 3rd party funding to get this service completed. I like the idea of county grants, getting neighbors to pitch in, etc. My parents live in the boonies and only had dial-up available to them untill last year. The majority of their community is summer residences and old retired people that dont own a computer. After 2 years of back and forth debating with the community, they finally got a wireless high-speed provider to be allowed in.

So, I'm not saying don't give up, I'm just saying don't expect the cable co to run anything for (at a minimum one subscriber) at this time, on thier dime.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:59:19 EDT

EG posted : That's hilarious. :D

But it may actually prove to be effective ?!? :p

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:50:57 EDT

anon posted : Look it obvious your out in the boonies being 2 miles away from any cable like you are. As i it your only choice is you and you and the other 5 neighbors in your 5 mile radius, all get your pitchforks out, get one of them there music players, and blast the music from deliverance, jump in the old red pickup, and storm on over to mayor jimbobs doublewide. Ill bet sure as shit he made himself one of them behind the barn deals with comcast and has hispeed all wired up at his place..once yall get there you need to have a good ole boy lynching and tell him yall need that there high speed on YOUR land and you arent living till he gets you the 100,000 yall need.

Now once you all get locked up and get done removing all the buckshot from your asses for just wanting hispeed, some bigshot at Comcast will see your story on CNN (Thats the Cable News Network a news station for city folk), and say "Hey yall, these folks are good people, fire up them cable trucks, lets run these folks some Hi-Speed". I mean seriously whats 100K to them , Brian Roberts burns that much up in gas for his jet in a week. Maybe they could even get one of there forked tongue, fast talking lawyers and bail yall out of the pokie. Hold on I need to fill my bong back up and well move on to what yall need for "Installation day".

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:48:27 EDT

gar187er posted : it doesn t matter going there, there is no profit in making those kind of plant extensions....its a business...yea it sucks, but if there is no money to be made it wont get done...

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:40:28 EDT

beachintech posted :

said by K Patterson:

It's kind of frustrating that we are on the verge of an all-digital cable world, and everything past the neighborhood hub is still analog.

Look what happened with the DTV transition. Imagine if a cable MSO tried that. No one would know what was going on. God forbid someone get a new TV after 25 years :)

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:39:08 EDT

ropeguru posted :

said by gar187er:

goes to show why adelphia went bankrupt...well running profitless plant extensions as well as corrupt leaders...

I just love "you folk" that have never been to where the OP lives and base all your opinions off google earth of MS virtual earth. Go visit there sometime and you might change your mind.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:03:18 EDT

K Patterson posted : It's kind of frustrating that we are on the verge of an all-digital cable world, and everything past the neighborhood hub is still analog.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:57:31 EDT

gar187er posted : nah run some 1.125...9amp cascade....

wait...yea FTTC cheaper..lol

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:08:59 EDT

K Patterson posted : Over two miles for cable TV means fiber, a new node, and lots of Coax and amps. Something approaching $100,000.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:25:12 EDT

Robotics posted : I'll just throw this in.
You probably already looked into it...but have you looked into Verizon wireless. I'm not far from you and I think they have a good service out here for those that cant get cable.
My wireless plan is better than their DSL service. I can piggyback with a company across the street from me (with their permission) yet after seeing their speeds off their DSL service (which is also Verizon). I went to Verizon wireless, and get better speeds than their DSL!
The CO is about 1 1/4 miles from here.
Not sure how that worked out.

Unless your a heavy down-loader this would probably make you happy for at least personal/home use. Plus you can take it with you of course.
Not sure how much you might have to use for your business.
5GBb is a lot for just surfing around. In a year I have never come close to the cap.

(about Adelphia...If it wasn't for them we wouldn't have cable out here. And Comcast has done a pretty good job keeping it up to date, even tho we ARE in the sticks out here. At least Adelphia saw potential out here, and they were on the money wiring out here. Doubt Comcast has lost a cent over it).
I wish you luck.
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Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:15:37 EDT

gar187er posted : goes to show why adelphia went bankrupt...well running profitless plant extensions as well as corrupt leaders...

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:25:13 EDT

anon posted : It's nice when you refer to someone as "country fold" You hit the nail on the head Comcast could care less, that's why they bought Adelphia cable which was in 2001 when Adelphia was getting ready to bring cable from Powhatan to Amelia and went bankrupt. Who purchased Adelphia? Comcast did and never picked up where Adelphia left off. If I was able to live back in Chesterfield I certainly wouldn't entertain Comcast!!!!

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:24:15 EDT

anon posted : When I moved here the job opportunity of working at home wasn't here yet. When I applied for the job I told them I had DSL nothing more said, then I was told that I would have to have a cable connection. I am happy to still have a job like thousands of others that don't have one right now. I am not a tech person, but with all the research I have done. I know exactly why they have said this about the cable.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:26:01 EDT

anon posted : I actually like your idea! If the county has a grant, which they do. I wonder how much of it they would be willing to put towards the expense. If I could get a t1 line to share with 10 of my neighbors, I wonder how much that would be. My company would pay for cable hi speed and at&t long distance i wonder how far that would go towards a t1 line instead? I did check and actually it is 3 1/2 miles to the office. I wonder if some of the IT people even investigated that! I really do appreciate anyone opinions bad or good!

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:26:35 EDT

anon posted : At 25k you pretty much sol. The biggest problem you are facing is your phone wires cable gage. If you have 18 gage running the whole length then I would say no problem. However you probally have 18 gage to the SAC box for the main, then 24 or 26 out to your house on the local. In Cincinnati we used a box which ran 4 t1's to the sac and then offered dsl off of it to the sub. This would allow people in your situation to get dsl. However if your phone company isn't doing this then you are sol at that distance.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:18:17 EDT

beachintech posted : Get together with your neighbors, petition the local cable co to run lines to you on your dime. You pay for the lines as a group, I bet that would be a lot more leverage than anything else. It won't be cheap, but if you all want it so bad you should be willing to pay for it. Cable is not a taxpayer funded utility. It is a private company that has to stay alive just as much as the company you work for.
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Tech at the Beach.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:07:37 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by homeshore :

Let me quiet it down for you. I work in Chesterfield, and lived there until about 2 years ago. I didn't say my driveway was 2 miles long. There are 48 houses on the 2 mile stretch to my 7 house subdivision. The central office is within 5 miles not too far, and we have already tested it.

5 miles is 26,400 feet. Assuming your loop follows roads exactly. That is ~8,000 feet beyond the maximum loop length for DSL service. But the loop probably doesn't follow the road exactly; more like the path Billy takes running errands in the "Family Circus".

It drops too many calls and that isn't good for a business. You are so smart show me a dsl service that can guaranty no packet loss??

Despite your claim, I am not a phone tech. Nor do I use VOIP, though I've read posts by users of VOIP. DSL works well for VOIP when the loop is in good enough shape to maintain a connection. Nor have I lost packets on any of hundreds of file transfers (using BitTorrent). The screen shot shows my line stats. The attenuation is right for a loop length just over 9,000 feet. The connection has been up since March 13, per the modem log, so the CRC errors are not significant at all.

Modem connection log:

2009/03/13 09:00:23 GMT E |PPP          |Max echo misses2009/03/13 09:00:23 GMT E |PPP          |LCP down2009/03/13 09:00:23 GMT E |PPP          |IPCP down2009/03/13 09:00:39 GMT E |PPPoE        |rx PADT id: 298B2009/03/13 09:00:40 GMT E |PPPoE        |tx PADI, id: 0000, ac: (NULL), sn: (NULL)2009/03/13 09:00:40 GMT E |PPPoE        |rx AC Name: 90064070300150-rback11.pltnca2009/03/13 09:00:40 GMT E |PPPoE        |tx PADR, id: 0000, ac: (NULL), sn: (NULL)2009/03/13 09:00:40 GMT E |PPPoE        |rx PADS id: F8D12009/03/13 09:00:40 GMT E |PPP          |LCP neg PAP2009/03/13 09:00:40 GMT E |PPP          |LCP up2009/03/13 09:00:42 GMT E |PPP          |IPCP nak option: 32009/03/13 09:00:42 GMT E |PPP          |IPCP nak option: 1292009/03/13 09:00:42 GMT E |PPP          |IPCP nak option: 1312009/03/13 09:00:42 GMT E |PPP          |IPCP up  ip: 68.126.42.1, gw: 68.126.43.0, dns: 68.94.156.1, 68.94.157.1

Oh, and Internet service is not funded by the taxpayers.

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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

DSL modem stats.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:59:30 EDT

EG posted :

said by bellhead :

Guy,

You just don't get it. After the breakup of ma bell which mandated universal phone service paid for by business customers. Nobody cares about you country folks anymore. You need to move to the city.

Why are you replying to me ? I "get it" just fine..

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:50:41 EDT

anon posted : Guy,

You just don't get it. After the breakup of ma bell which mandated universal phone service paid for by business customers. Nobody cares about you country folks anymore. You need to move to the city.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:49:46 EDT

gar187er posted : 5 miles is very far from a CO....extremely marginal whether or not it would work...thats why yours is having problems... 25,000' is usually the max you see dsl working at....which is a tad less then where you are...

this is a serious question though- if high speed internet was that important to you, did you ask what was available before moving there?

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:42:02 EDT

EG posted : Which satellite provider have you tried ?

Don't know exactly what you mean by 7 1/2 hours, but it should "work". Can you be more specific please ?

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:38:43 EDT

anon posted : Thanks, but satellite internet won't work either. 7 1/2 hours on the phone each day taking claims and transferring people all over the country. I wish it would work.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:35:31 EDT

EG posted : Try satellite internet. I don't know if it offers faster speeds than DSL, and I'm not so sure that you will be happy with its inherent latency (especially if you are an online gamer), but it should suffice for general browsing, getting/sending E-Mail, etc.

And please stop posting in all caps ! It is considered SHOUTING in proper netiquette, and mighty hard to read as well..

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Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:30:07 EDT

anon posted : Let me quiet it down for you. I work in Chesterfield, and lived there until about 2 years ago. I didn't say my driveway was 2 miles long. There are 48 houses on the 2 mile stretch to my 7 house subdivision. The central office is within 5 miles not too far, and we have already tested it. It drops too many calls and that isn't good for a business. You are so smart show me a dsl service that can guaranty no packet loss??

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:07:41 EDT

gar187er posted : you evidently dont get on the too much as you are STILL TYPING IN CAPS!!!!!

people on the interwebs hate that!!!

2 miles off the road is far...your gonna have to pony up several thousand to get cable run to your place...

also your taxes dont pay for cable tv, it is not a utility...and besides dsl, and cable whatelse is there? you going to get fiber run to your door???

side note, dsl does not drop packets....lol unless you are having issues with it...or your over the distance limitiation..

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:50:28 EDT

anon posted : WE IS THE COUNTRY! WE ALL PAY FOR IT WHETHER IT BE THROUGH TAXES OR LOANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT TAKES OUT. TO PUT IT BETTER DO SOMETHING WITH MA BELL THEN AND MAKE DSL BETTER. YOU ARE A PHONE TECH AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT DSL DROPPING PACKETS OF VOICE OR DATA. MAYBE I NEED PACIFIC BELL THEN.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:47:29 EDT

anon posted : YOU REALLY GIVE SOMEONE HOPE. FIRST OF ALL THEIR ARE ALREADY PEOPLE IN AMELIA THAT HAVE COMCAST CABLE, 2ND I ONLY LIVE 2 MILES OFF OF PATRICK HENRY HIGHWAY WHERE THE CABLE RUNS ALONG, AND 3RD WE ARE ONLY 25 MILES FROM RICHMOND AND LESS THAN 15 MILES TO CHESTERFIELD COUNTY WHICH HAS A POPULATION OF OVER 320,000. WE MIGHT NOT GET ANY FURTHER WITH THE CABLE, BUT I GUARANTY YOU THAT BY THE END OF 2010 WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING BESIDES DSL! I DON'T LIVE IN THE STICKS

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:26:49 EDT

anon posted : One of my installs I still remember best working for ma bell was when I went out to install 3 phone lines for a subscriber in the country. He was about 7 miles out down a country road from the CO. I drove out there and saw he was wanting dsl and they had provisioned it on his order. He was over 35k feet so it wasn't going to work. My next thought why was this guy getting three lines? Most farmers only want a 1fr out in the country. So I arrive and see its a new house sitting back at least a quarter mile from the road but there are no poles and the poles with the plant are on the opposite side of the street. I drive up to the door and meet the guy, he was not a farmer but a suburban house dad who was used to the comforts of suburbia. Turns out his wife was given the land from her father the farmer and they decided to build a house on it. I told him right away high speed internet was not going to work due to the distance. The guy goes nuts accusing us and the cable company of discrimination against people in the country. Insight wanted over 2k$'s to run a hookup to his house. There was cable plant running down the road but they wouldn't offer service to him as his house was over 1000 ft from the street. Next I told him it would be 1 to 2 weeks before his lines were installed due to the lack of facilites, I found the poles feeding the electric to them but the run was over 3k feet from the street. Anything over 1k and engineering comes out and runs the drops as crw is involved. I inquired why he was getting 3 lines out in the country and it turned out he wanted to work from home, he was a marketing guy and he just couldn't believe we wouldn't offer high speed internet to the him. For all the work involved and the amount of copper used will ma bell ever see a profit off of him. I highly doubt it as he is just too far out in the country.

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:40:15 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by homeshore :

DATA AND VOICE PACKETS WON'T WORK WITH DSL.

Then something is terribly wrong. Data and VOIP works fine over DSL connections, assuming there are no problems with the loop.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PUT THE MONEY IN CABLE AND FIOS AND DO AWAY WITH THE DSL.

Who is this "we"? DSL is provisioned over copper landline. You saying "we" should prohibit the operation of investor owned ILECs, who are willing to put their money into the infrastructure? Considering that the cable company won't do that, I am not sure what your plan would accomplish.
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~Oh Lord, why have you come
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Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:12:03 EDT

gar187er posted : LMAO...you have one mcdonalds, and a food lion, thats it in amelia, and you want cable tv!?!!? LOLOLOLOL.... you live about 40miles outside of richmond, granted thats not terribly far, but in your direction there is nothing, just farm lands...

you have about 5,000 houses in the COUNTY...32 people per sq mile... in contrast kent county DE where I am has 62,000 houses and 214 per sq mile

your not gonna cable anytime soon buddy....

Re: [Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:49:16 EDT

beachintech posted : Do you have any idea what it costs to run a mile of cable and extend a network? I am going to guess not. Companies all over (not just comcast) have to balance the # of subscribers that are possible in a given area, with the cost of a buildout, support, and installation. I am going to guess you live out in the sticks, where there are less than 30 houses in a square mile.

If you want high speed, get together with a group of locals and start your own ISP and solve your own problems.
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Tech at the Beach.

[Connectivity] cable or nothing

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:36:08 EDT

anon posted : I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT CABLE OR FIOS HAS TO BE THE WAY. I COULD BE WORKING AT HOME RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T HAVE CABLE. I DO HAVE DSL, BUT IT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. THE DATA AND VOICE PACKETS WON'T WORK WITH DSL. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PUT THE MONEY IN CABLE AND FIOS AND DO AWAY WITH THE DSL. I LIVE IN A RURAL AREA AND I AM PAYING 50.00 A MONTH FOR THE DSL AND I COULD BE WORKING AT HOME 5 DAYS AND WEEK SAVING A TON OF MONEY WITH A CABLE OUTLET. COMCAST HAS NO PLANS TO BRING OR EXPAND TO MY AREA. THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH AND THEN FIND A CABLE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO GET MORE CUSTOMERS AND PLAY MONOPOLY. I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE THAN 50.00 A MONTH TO GET CABLE HIGH SPEED. I SAY GIVE US WHAT WE NEED AND THE OTHER COMPANIES CAN SLIDE OFF THE PLANET, SINCE THEY WON'T IMPROVE THEIR TECHNOLOGY. BRING HIGH SPEED INTERNET TO AMELIA, VA SO MORE MOTHERS AND FATHERS CAN STAY AT HOME AND WORK AND SEE THEIR CHILDREN GET ON THE BUS!!!