Topic 'FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing....' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22234570 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:43:19 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:43:19 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22255041
I never received any such email Rocky. Did it go out to we pppoe.ca customers? Perhaps Ironport grabbed it and vaporized it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22255041 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:11:22 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22250247 said by lukasz_obara:

Here's another site »isppractices.econsultation.ca/ where you can tell the CRTC what you think of these questionable practices.
Interesting...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22250247 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:53:53 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22249443 isppractices.econsultation.ca/ where you can tell the CRTC what you think of these questionable practices. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22249443 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:31:24 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22248760
From the cable company angle, they find themselves having to split nodes, are losing VOD and PPV revenue to IPTV and downloads, simple solution - cap and UBB and and instant monetisation of the customer base.

Bell? Well it'd appear as though they do it partly just for the cash and likely to protect or pre-emptively shield some other revenue stream.

With the competition going to UBB there's really nothing that stops this being the status quo.

Should Bell's wholesale products be allowed to do this the cable / Bell duopoly is totally secure and there is no reason to expect the present limits to go anywhere as what little competition there was that didn't have UBB will be gone.

So, Canada, Australia and New Zealand's excuse is that they're in the middle of nowhere and have relatively little capacity to the outside world. Last I checked Canada is in North America and should be pretty fibre rich so what's your excuse for these products?

I think it just comes down to no real competition, no desire to innovate, your speeds are for the most part pretty pedestrian, and a desire to protect legacy revenue streams and avoid investment.

said by Wings:

Btw guys, I just checked with family in the Netherlands; they have a 20mbit DSL with a cap of 350GB for $50 with free modem.
The unusual thing there is that they have a cap at all. Very few ISPs in .nl do, especially with the advent of FTTH in most towns and cities of any size.

Forgot to mention, you can get uncapped and unshaped (yes unshaped cable does exist!!!) 60/6 there for 96CAD/mth and 120/10 for 129CAD/mth. Probably similar bills to those some poor people will be receiving with UBB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22248760 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:31:42 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247969
While for residential users the internet is only a place to get ripped off and facing very unfair considtions?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247969 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:28:32 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247945
I'm just not sure how long I'll last with those caps if the tariff is approved :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247945 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:22:52 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247918
And Im really liking TSI the way it is now. Best internet ever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247918 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:17:29 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247901 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247901 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:15:54 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247893
Fourth I will never... EVER be forced into Bell Internet. Even though Bell is really counting on it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247893 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:14:17 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247845
Does Bell not realize that amongst the never ending tax increases, cost of living increases, pay cuts, job losses, pinching of every penny. The average person is sick and tired of this never ending cycle.

Secondly 60gb cap limits are a JOKE .... 5 years ago. Today its irresponsible, unreasonable and just plain greedy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22247845 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:06:49 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244867 said by An_Onymous :

Usually the term backfire means there is a bad side if they fail...
Bell cannot charge 3rd party ISP UBB if the proposed changes to the existing tariff is thrown out.
Bell can probably charge their own Sympatico customers whatever they wanted as they always have.
Possibly - I suppose it would take a specific ruling to prohibit it... But then again if it were denied many more of their customers might move to one of the Independants with reasonable rates and unlimited options. Of course Bell would probably play the shuffle game as they have in avoiding 3 orders to allow access to higher speeds and simply submit a revised tariff - or jack up their prices and let the Sympatico customers foot the bill for their greed.

In any event I myself won't be leaving TSI - the service is just too good to switch under any circumstances!! I'll just consider the extra $22.50 as a giant box of timbits and a bunch of bananas once a month :D

Edit: and oh yes, almost forgot - flowers for the ladies :)
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Bell can probably charge their own Sympatico customers whatever they wanted as they always have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244770 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:15:25 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244672
Should the CRTC turn down the application would that not then mean that UBB is NOT allowed?

To my mind this would also mean that since it is the approved tariff that rules what fees the providers can charge - then in this scenario Bell would no longer be able to charge Sympatico customers overage fees either :uhh:

Edit: Punctuation
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LETS CHARGE CUSTOMERS LOTS OF MONEY, MONEY THEY DON"T HAVE.

SMART PLAN BELL! HOPE YOU GO BANKRUPT ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244214 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:33:18 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244196 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244196 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:29:53 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244124
this will affect their future products in a meaningful way especially in the US Usage based billing battle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244124 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:16:29 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244094
»www.betanews.com/article/Tests-o···39815400

time warner is backing off a little on tiered billing due to public opinion in one area... but BOY do those plans suck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244094 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:12:38 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244052
Too bad we don't live in Germany, bell would gotten a nice swift kick to the nads long ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244052 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:04:17 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244044 said by R0CKY:

said by get lost hogs :

said by davidbrown:

I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.
AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.

I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates.

I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.

Here is my submission.

I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................
Two things,

1 - This is not about Bandwidth hogs

2 - When other technologies converge over the internet and you incur an additional $200+ per month in usage over 60GB you will change your tune.

...this isn't about now as much as the future!

Get Lost Hogs: Please give your head a shake. This isn't about subsidizing heavy users. This is about getting decent speeds so that you don't (1) die of old age before the page or item downloads, and (2) keeping up with the rest of the world in internet speeds and costs so that we don't become worse than some 3rd world backwater country, and cannot afford it.

When I first got on the internet in the mid 90's, I was using a 2400 baud modem to get mail, browse the web, you name it. The e-mails were small, text format. The web pages were simple, laid out so that they would load quickly. Any pictures were linked to a separate page.

Fast forward 14 years. With rich text, HUGE attachments in e-mails, pictorial and advertising gluttony on each and every webpage, I DARE you to try to even load even something as simple as the Weathernetwork's page using a 14.4k modem. That simple single page is over 400k!!

Now please try to go to the Microsoft website with that 14.4 modem, and update Vista. Go ahead. I dare you. The next update will be available before you're done this one.

10 years ago, there was virtually nothing of sending medical files over the internet. Today, a simple lumbar series x-ray occupies well over 1/10 of a CD in data. The next generation of plates will have double or quadruple the # of pixels. What's that relate to the amount of data sent?

The world is sending MORE and MORE data to do a function, not LESS. Paper and film are rapidly becoming things of the past. It's called progress!

Welcome to 2009 & beyond.

edit: spelling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22244044 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:02:00 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22243986
Check it out: »www.crtc.gc.ca/public/8740/2009/···5180.PDF

Yes, the CRTC should have pressure forced upon it to register their Equal Access/Open Access provision with the Federal Court, which is then enforceable by the courts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22243986 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:50:37 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22243071 said by mmmHmmm :

I'm confused.
Are you saying teksavvy is going to be doing UBB now?
Under the current terms? or under different terms?
As of now, no. As you may be aware (if you live in Bell territory), Teksavvy does use tariffed (ie: government regulated) services for the last mile and backbone aggregation of your connection. Bell has made a submission to the CRTC suggesting changes to these tariffs, including UBB.

The CRTC has not commented, nor ruled on these submitted tariffs. The CRTC is not required to accept them either.

But it is anyone's guess what the CRTC will do.

If the CRTC does approve these tariffs as submitted or with minor changes, UBB will be a (temporary?) reality. Tek will be forced to pass-on these extra costs. With the slim margins that Tek is already operating at, they cannot just absorb these predatory (potential) tariff price increases. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22243071 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:03:10 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22243009 said by mlerner:

You won't see a reduction, you'll be paying the same or slightly more since I believe the wholesale rate will be $2 higher.
O.K. thanks. I thought it wouldn't be so bad if the basic price were cut in half and then usage added to that. I'm not a big downloader, so I would possibly benefit from that. But silly me, why would I think Bell would even consider doing something actually fair.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22243009 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:49:49 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242976 said by Cornfused :

So tell me... would UBB mean that if I only ever use about 10 to 20 GB / month I could possibly see a reduction in my internet cost? Would there be like a minimum flat rate + usage fee?

I can't really see this as unfair per-se. I don't object to a water meter, but I do really hate the idea of property taxes that make me pay more than someone living in a shack for the same services.

Just an honest question, don't flame me now.
I'll keep this short, since it's come up enough times and none of us like thinking about it.

There will be a 60GB bandwidth cap. Each GB over that will be billed at $1.13/GB, ALL OF WHICH WILL GO TO BELL. There will be a $22.50 max overage fee. After 300GB, Bell will once again charge $0.75/GB and possibly cut your service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242976 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:43:14 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242975 said by Cornfused :

So tell me... would UBB mean that if I only ever use about 10 to 20 GB / month I could possibly see a reduction in my internet cost? Would there be like a minimum flat rate + usage fee?

I can't really see this as unfair per-se. I don't object to a water meter, but I do really hate the idea of property taxes that make me pay more than someone living in a shack for the same services.

Just an honest question, don't flame me now.
You won't see a reduction, you'll be paying the same or slightly more since I believe the wholesale rate will be $2 higher.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242975 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:42:36 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242948
I can't really see this as unfair per-se. I don't object to a water meter, but I do really hate the idea of property taxes that make me pay more than someone living in a shack for the same services.

Just an honest question, don't flame me now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242948 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:36:35 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242810 Should of read into it more.
Time to drink this coffee
;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242810 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:05:37 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242793 said by R0CKY:

said by El Quintron:

Not to sound like I'm fishing but can we expect more news from your guys soon-ish?
yup.... that you can count on.
Is it soon-ish yet? :D

I really hope you guys have something good in store to stick it to them or I'm gonna cry! :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242793 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:01:14 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242789 Are you saying teksavvy is going to be doing UBB now?
Under the current terms? or under different terms?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242789 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:00:55 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242767 said by El Quintron:

*feels the love* :D
You're not kidding! +]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242767 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:57:18 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242627
*feels the love* :D
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Not to sound like I'm fishing but can we expect more news from your guys soon-ish?
yup.... that you can count on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242595 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:23:42 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242546 said by chronoss2009:

thats a residential service
if its a business line then you pay the gouging business rates
as i said previously business in canada is like paying ten times what they do in europe
Some business rates with a feature bundle from resellers are actually cheaper than a Bell 1LR with comparable features.
10 times. Stop exaggerating every post to the point of absurdity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242546 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:13:11 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242512 --
Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242512 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:09:01 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242418 said by someguy1 :

hey rocky why don't you also send an email regarding the eConsultation website regarding the traffic management? From the looks of there is like only around 100-ish people voicing their opinion. It is going to end on the end of April right?
We debated over the UBB and eventually opted to do it (yes at the last second). We didn't really want to do it as it would land up confusing many people, which in the end it did as as much as it was crystal clear that it nothing was for sure just yet that people called/emailed asking about when this would be happening or asking out of concern how it would affect them.... It scared many.

If we were to post only a couple days later about Management practices here's what I think would happen:

1 - Way more confusion as it isn't a black and white discussion... this is a tech head one for the most part, something that has had everyone from the Politicians and even the CRTC from the looks of it absolutely messed up over.

2 - Would almost for sure cause an overflow of calls/emails asking "what the..." (yesterday had a few hundred emails/calls about this).

3 - Because of the topic/implications it could be viewed as fear-mongering and peeing people off....

In the end, I think emailing this time would land up being a possible lose-lose.... I'm thinking trying the education route on this one from here until will land up being the way to go as Bell/Rogers media sub-corps are going to do everything they can to try and keep this effort out of the spotlight.

Rocky
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242418 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:53:48 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242340 said by Maynard G Krebs :

said by R0CKY:

said by STN:

I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.
Ahh... yes, sorta....

Bell identifies the phone line (Business/Residential) and automatically tags if for DSL pricing.

As such, you can't get Business DSL on a residential Phone Line. The phone much be converted to a Business phone first.
How about dry loop business service for xDSL?

I'm quite happy with Primus for our POTS business lines and would NEVER consider using Bell for telephone service.
Dry-DSL for business is doable as well. Bell has a database that identifies addresses as Business, so it would be corrected and charged accordingly.

»www.teksavvy.com/en/busdrydsl.asp?ID=7&mID=1
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22242340 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:42:04 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22241162 if its a business line then you pay the gouging business rates
as i said previously business in canada is like paying ten times what they do in europe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22241162 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:23:38 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240839 said by R0CKY:

said by STN:

I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.
Ahh... yes, sorta....

Bell identifies the phone line (Business/Residential) and automatically tags if for DSL pricing.

As such, you can't get Business DSL on a residential Phone Line. The phone much be converted to a Business phone first.
How about dry loop business service for xDSL?

I'm quite happy with Primus for our POTS business lines and would NEVER consider using Bell for telephone service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240839 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:34:31 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240509 said by idontthinkso :

if you search the Bell forum there's a post by DeadPool that clearly states business phone lines can and will be installed into residential units. So I'd search for that post and then rethink the no business phones in personal residents part.
That is what I meant but you only get the DSL corresponding to the line type that is provisioned but you can have a business line on a res unit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240509 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:40:57 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240348
The proposed tariff at best is a ploy to hamper competition, to give bell an advantage. Ruling in their favor on this will only show to all Canadians that the CRTC has become old, gray, and sponsor the old boys club. In reality I should not need to comment on this befoulment to customer rights, to the rights of other businesses to run a fair business. Why is it the public itself has to become the babysitter of a government agency. Right now I feel ashamed to be a Canadian.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240348 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:15:45 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240314 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240314 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:10:57 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240159 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22240159 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:44:37 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239964 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239964 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:17:15 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239889 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239889 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:01:30 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239854
"As such, you can't get Teksavvy Business DSL on a residential Phone Line. The phone much be converted to a Business phone first."

Sorry for the re-ask, but I'm curious if my Bell residential phone line would need to be converted before I could get one of your business services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239854 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:54:06 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239845 bloody Bell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239845 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:52:15 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239835 Tariff
Subject:
File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181
Comments:
It would simply be a gross miscarriage of justice for the CRTC to allow Bell Canada to operate
with the guidelines under File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181. It
would put so many smaller companies ( the life blood) of our economy out of business or in a
position of being unable to compete. not to mention the consumers. As a consumer, I have
absolutley no rights when dealing with Bell canada. Allowing this bill to go through would
empower them even further and force Canadians to use their over priced and mismanaged
services. Not to mention that Bell Canada mismanages their money and resources and screws
even their own workforce. This bill also undermines the idea of Broadband for all Canadians.
50-60 dollars a month is far too much to pay for any one - considering the average income of a
Canadian family is only about 35,000 / year. Low bandwidth caps and ridiculous overage fees
are a money grab and pure profit with no underlying cost. Web designers and multimedia web
pages enable rich content, but who can afford to visit these sites and download media when it
costs an arm and a leg. Combine this high fee/low cap/high overage charges with Bells push for
rich media / voip telecom and TV over internet.. you wont be able to use your phone and watch
tv without paying monthly overage charges. This bill will take us backwards for years and years
to come. Pass this bill and I personally will lose all faith in the CRTC and its function... to stop
this gross mis-justice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239835 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:50:21 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239756 said by STN:

I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.
Ahh... yes, sorta....

Bell identifies the phone line (Business/Residential) and automatically tags if for DSL pricing.

As such, you can't get Business DSL on a residential Phone Line. The phone much be converted to a Business phone first.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239756 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:36:42 EDT Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239662 said by Lexx :

Even though I have a friend who's outside of Bobcaygen (population of what 1000) that gets 3 meg service???

Lexx
How's this then? I live 2km outside of Morewood. (pop under 500) I get full 5mbps. Sorry! :-)
Only because Bell actually upgraded the whole system to Morewood. Never thought I'd see the day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-FYI-Email-sent-to-clients-about-Usage-Based-Billing-22239662 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:18:03 EDT