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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538823"><b>jasmo34</b></A> : Ummm, it appears I've missed this party; I just happened to drop into the forum tonight to check on another possible problem.<br><br>I never received any such email Rocky. Did it go out to we pppoe.ca customers? Perhaps Ironport grabbed it and vaporized it?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lukasz_obara <A HREF="/useremail/u/1625477"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Here's another site &raquo;<A HREF="http://isppractices.econsultation.ca/" >isppractices.econsultation.ca/</A> where you can tell the CRTC what you think of these questionable practices.  <br> </div>Interesting...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1625477"><b>lukasz_obara</b></A> : Here's another site &raquo;<A HREF="http://isppractices.econsultation.ca/" >isppractices.econsultation.ca/</A> where you can tell the CRTC what you think of these questionable practices.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/973490"><b>Ignite</b></A> : ISPs in Canada sadly appear to double as content providers, to the extent where they see the ISP side of the operation as being an alternative and expensive way to deploy their content.<br><br>From the cable company angle, they find themselves having to split nodes, are losing VOD and PPV revenue to IPTV and downloads, simple solution - cap and UBB and and instant monetisation of the customer base.<br><br>Bell? Well it'd appear as though they do it partly just for the cash and likely to protect or pre-emptively shield some other revenue stream.<br><br>With the competition going to UBB there's really nothing that stops this being the status quo.<br><br>Should Bell's wholesale products be allowed to do this the cable / Bell duopoly is totally secure and there is no reason to expect the present limits to go anywhere as what little competition there was that didn't have UBB will be gone.<br><br>So, Canada, Australia and New Zealand's excuse is that they're in the middle of nowhere and have relatively little capacity to the outside world. Last I checked Canada is in North America and should be pretty fibre rich so what's your excuse for these products?<br><br>I think it just comes down to no real competition, no desire to innovate, your speeds are for the most part pretty pedestrian, and a desire to protect legacy revenue streams and avoid investment.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Wings <A HREF="/useremail/u/1403785"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Btw guys, I just checked with family in the Netherlands; they have a <b>20mbit DSL with a cap of 350GB for $50 with free modem</b>.</div>The unusual thing there is that they have a cap at all. Very few ISPs in .nl do, especially with the advent of FTTH in most towns and cities of any size.<br><br>Forgot to mention, you can get uncapped and unshaped (yes unshaped cable does exist!!!) 60/6 there for 96CAD/mth and 120/10 for 129CAD/mth. Probably similar bills to those some poor people will be receiving with UBB.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Why is it an accepted theory & pratice for any business to use the internet to cut costs of certain processes?<br><br>While for residential users the internet is only a place to get ripped off and facing very unfair considtions?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1591150"><b>otty</b></A> : I'm moving back to Toronto in May and will sign up for teksavvy. This is no time to abandon them. They need as much support as possible to fight this stuff not just for the benefit of their customers but everyone in Canada. <br><br>I'm just not sure how long I'll last with those caps if the tariff is approved :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Exactly my thoughts!  :huh:<br><br>And Im really liking TSI the way it is now. Best internet ever.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1591150"><b>otty</b></A> : I agree. It may come down to Primus or 3web for me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Third I will never return to Rogers, their 60gb limit is the #1 reason I switched to TSI 200GB and eventually unlimited.<br><br>Fourth I will never... EVER be forced into Bell Internet. Even though Bell is really counting on it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Bell has seriously lost their minds! Its a justified change to charge ridiculously increase prices for a inferior service?? really? because Bell wants to pocket the money instead of actually improving the service?<br><br>Does Bell not realize that amongst the never ending tax increases, cost of living increases, pay cuts, job losses, pinching of every penny. The average person is sick and tired of this never ending cycle. <br><br>Secondly 60gb cap limits are a JOKE .... 5 years ago. Today its irresponsible, unreasonable and just plain greedy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520610"><b>dav_ID</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by An_Onymous :</small><br><br>Usually the term backfire means there is a bad side if they fail...<br>Bell cannot charge 3rd party ISP UBB if the proposed changes to the existing tariff is thrown out.<br>Bell can probably charge their own Sympatico customers whatever they wanted as they always have.<br> </div>Possibly - I suppose it would take a specific ruling to prohibit it... But then again if it were denied many more of their customers might move to one of the Independants with reasonable rates and unlimited options.  Of course Bell would probably play the shuffle game as they have in avoiding 3 orders to allow access to higher speeds and simply submit a revised tariff - or jack up their prices and let the Sympatico customers foot the bill for their greed.<br><br>In any event I myself won't be leaving TSI - the service is just too good to switch under any circumstances!!  I'll just consider the extra $22.50 as a giant box of timbits and a bunch of bananas once a month  :D<br><br>Edit: and oh yes, almost forgot - flowers for the ladies :)<br><small>--<br>In theory, a bumble bee cannot fly!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Usually the term backfire means there is a bad side if they fail...<br>Bell cannot charge 3rd party ISP UBB if the proposed changes to the existing tariff is thrown out.<br>Bell can probably charge their own Sympatico customers whatever they wanted as they always have.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520610"><b>dav_ID</b></A> : Its late but a thought just hit me that maybe this tariff application could possibly backfire on Bell.  <br><br>Should the CRTC turn down the application would that not then mean that UBB is NOT allowed?<br><br>To my mind this would also mean that since it is the approved tariff that rules what fees the providers can charge - then in this scenario Bell would no longer be able to charge Sympatico customers overage fees either  :uhh:<br><br>Edit: Punctuation<br><small>--<br>In theory, a bumble bee cannot fly!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : See its RETARD COMPANY'S LIKE BELL THAT ARE CAUSING THE ECO CRISIS.<br><br>LETS CHARGE CUSTOMERS LOTS OF MONEY, MONEY THEY DON"T HAVE. <br><br>SMART PLAN  BELL! HOPE YOU GO BANKRUPT ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : answer simple question... decision... when....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1492224"><b>qweloo</b></A> : I wonder where are the lobbying from the software companies and internet content provider (google, microsoft, electronics arts, cbc etc ) ?<br><br>this will affect their future products in a meaningful way especially in the US Usage based billing battle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : This seemed worth posting:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.betanews.com/article/Tests-of-Time-Warner-broadband-cap-rescheduled-debates-continue/1239815400" >www.betanews.com/article/Tests-o&middot;&middot;&middot;39815400</A><br><br>time warner is backing off a little on tiered billing due to public opinion in one area... but BOY do those plans suck]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : Is it just me or does bells new tarrif scream price fixing? They are essentially forcing a much higher minimum fee for a service they are not actually providing to the end users.<br><br>Too bad we don't live in Germany, bell would gotten a nice swift kick to the nads long ago.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/844707"><b>vintagewino</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by get lost hogs :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  davidbrown <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.<br> </div>AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.<br><br> I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates. <br><br>I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.<br><br> Here is my submission.<br><br>I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................<br> </div>Two things,<br><br>1 - This is not about Bandwidth hogs<br><br>2 - When other technologies converge over the internet and you incur an additional $200+ per month in usage over 60GB you will change your tune.<br><br>...this isn't about now as much as the future!<br> </div> <br>Get Lost Hogs: Please give your head a shake.  This isn't about subsidizing heavy users.  This is about getting decent speeds so that you don't (1) die of old age before the page or item downloads, and (2) keeping up with the rest of the world in internet speeds and costs so that we don't become worse than some 3rd world backwater country, and cannot afford it.<br><br>When I first got on the internet in the mid 90's, I was using a 2400 baud modem to get mail, browse the web, you name it.  The e-mails were small, text format.  The web pages were simple, laid out so that they would load quickly.  Any pictures were linked to a separate page.<br><br>Fast forward 14 years.  With rich text, HUGE attachments in e-mails, pictorial and advertising gluttony on each and every webpage, I DARE you to try to even load even something as simple as the Weathernetwork's page using a 14.4k modem.  That simple single page is over 400k!!<br><br>Now please try to go to the Microsoft website with that 14.4 modem, and update Vista.  Go ahead.  I dare you.  The next update will be available before you're done this one.<br><br>10 years ago, there was virtually nothing of sending medical files over the internet.  Today, a simple lumbar series x-ray occupies well over 1/10 of a CD in data.  The next generation of plates will have double or quadruple the # of pixels.  What's that relate to the amount of data sent?<br><br>The world is sending MORE and MORE data to do a function, not LESS.  Paper and film are rapidly becoming things of the past.  It's called progress!<br><br>Welcome to 2009 & beyond.<br><br>edit: spelling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : The submission by Distributel (aka: 3Web) is just great. And if you can read/understand English at a 4th or 5th Grade level, it's easily comprehended.<br><br>Check it out: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/public/8740/2009/b2/1075180.PDF" >www.crtc.gc.ca/public/8740/2009/&middot;&middot;&middot;5180.PDF</A><br><br>Yes, the CRTC should have pressure forced upon it to register their Equal Access/Open Access provision with the Federal Court, which is then enforceable by the courts.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by mmmHmmm :</small><br><br>I'm confused.<br>Are you saying teksavvy is going to be doing UBB now?<br>Under the current terms? or under different terms?<br> </div>As of now, no. As you may be aware (if you live in Bell territory), Teksavvy does use tariffed (ie: government regulated) services for the last mile and backbone aggregation of your connection. Bell has made a submission to the CRTC suggesting changes to these tariffs, including UBB. <br><br>The CRTC has not commented, nor ruled on these submitted tariffs. The CRTC is not required to accept them either. <br><br>But it is anyone's guess what the CRTC will do.<br><br>If the CRTC does approve these tariffs as submitted or with minor changes, UBB will be a (temporary?) reality. Tek will be forced to pass-on these extra costs. With the slim margins that Tek is already operating at, they cannot just absorb these predatory (potential) tariff price increases. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mlerner <A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You won't see a reduction, you'll be paying the same or slightly more since I believe the wholesale rate will be $2 higher.<br> </div>O.K. thanks. I thought it wouldn't be so bad if the basic price were cut in half and then usage added to that. I'm not a big downloader, so I would possibly benefit from that. But silly me, why would I think Bell would even consider doing something actually fair.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Cornfused :</small><br><br>So tell me... would UBB mean that if I only ever use about 10 to 20 GB / month I could possibly see a reduction in my internet cost? Would there be like a minimum flat rate + usage fee?  <br><br>I can't really see this as unfair per-se. I don't object to a water meter, but I do really hate the idea of property taxes that make me pay more than someone living in a shack for the same services.<br><br>Just an honest question, don't flame me now.<br> </div>I'll keep this short, since it's come up enough times and none of us like thinking about it.<br><br>There will be a 60GB bandwidth cap. Each GB over that will be billed at $1.13/GB, ALL OF WHICH WILL GO TO BELL. There will be a $22.50 max overage fee. After 300GB, Bell will once again charge $0.75/GB and possibly cut your service.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Cornfused :</small><br><br>So tell me... would UBB mean that if I only ever use about 10 to 20 GB / month I could possibly see a reduction in my internet cost? Would there be like a minimum flat rate + usage fee?  <br><br>I can't really see this as unfair per-se. I don't object to a water meter, but I do really hate the idea of property taxes that make me pay more than someone living in a shack for the same services.<br><br>Just an honest question, don't flame me now.<br> </div>You won't see a reduction, you'll be paying the same or slightly more since I believe the wholesale rate will be $2 higher.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : So tell me... would UBB mean that if I only ever use about 10 to 20 GB / month I could possibly see a reduction in my internet cost? Would there be like a minimum flat rate + usage fee?  <br><br>I can't really see this as unfair per-se. I don't object to a water meter, but I do really hate the idea of property taxes that make me pay more than someone living in a shack for the same services.<br><br>Just an honest question, don't flame me now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : nVm<br>Should of read into it more.<br>Time to drink this coffee<br> ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  El Quintron <A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Not to sound like I'm fishing but can we expect more news from your guys soon-ish?<br> </div>yup.... that you can count on.<br> </div>Is it soon-ish yet? :D<br><br>I really hope you guys have something good in store to stick it to them or I'm gonna cry! :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1567199"><b>Haraway</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  El Quintron <A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>*feels the love*  :D<br> </div>You're not kidding!  +]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : I really have to thank you guys for being so responsive to your clients and fans.<br><br>*feels the love*  :D<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  El Quintron <A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Not to sound like I'm fishing but can we expect more news from your guys soon-ish?<br> </div>yup.... that you can count on.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  chronoss2009 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1583668"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>thats a residential service <br>if its a business line then you pay the gouging business rates<br>as i said previously business in canada is like paying ten times what they do in europe<br> </div>Some business rates with a feature bundle from resellers are actually cheaper than a Bell 1LR with comparable features.<br>10 times. Stop exaggerating every post to the point of absurdity.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : Not to sound like I'm fishing but can we expect more news from your guys soon-ish?<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by someguy1 :</small><br><br>hey rocky why don't you also send an email regarding the eConsultation website regarding the traffic management? From the looks of there is like only around 100-ish people voicing their opinion. It is going to end on the end of April right?<br> </div>We debated over the UBB and eventually opted to do it (yes at the last second).  We didn't really want to do it as it would land up confusing many people, which in the end it did as as much as it was crystal clear that it nothing was for sure just yet that people called/emailed asking about when this would be happening or asking out of concern how it would affect them.... It scared many.<br><br>If we were to post only a couple days later about Management practices here's what I think would happen:<br><br>1 - Way more confusion as it isn't a black and white discussion... this is a tech head one for the most part, something that has had everyone from the Politicians and even the CRTC from the looks of it absolutely messed up over.<br><br>2 - Would almost for sure cause an overflow of calls/emails asking "what the..." (yesterday had a few hundred emails/calls about this).<br><br>3 - Because of the topic/implications it could be viewed as fear-mongering and peeing people off....<br><br>In the end, I think emailing this time would land up being a possible lose-lose....  I'm thinking trying the education route on this one from here until will land up being the way to go as Bell/Rogers media sub-corps are going to do everything they can to try and keep this effort out of the spotlight.<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Maynard G Krebs :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.<br> </div>Ahh... yes, sorta....<br><br>Bell identifies the phone line (Business/Residential) and automatically tags if for DSL pricing.<br><br>As such, you can't get Business DSL on a residential Phone Line.  The phone much be converted to a Business phone first.<br> </div>How about dry loop business service for xDSL?<br><br>I'm quite happy with Primus for our POTS business lines and would NEVER consider using Bell for telephone service.<br> </div>Dry-DSL for business is doable as well.  Bell has a database that identifies addresses as Business, so it would be corrected and charged accordingly.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.teksavvy.com/en/busdrydsl.asp?ID=7&mID=1" >www.teksavvy.com/en/busdrydsl.asp?ID=7&mID=1</A><br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1583668"><b>chronoss2009</b></A> : thats a residential service <br>if its a business line then you pay the gouging business rates<br>as i said previously business in canada is like paying ten times what they do in europe]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.<br> </div>Ahh... yes, sorta....<br><br>Bell identifies the phone line (Business/Residential) and automatically tags if for DSL pricing.<br><br>As such, you can't get Business DSL on a residential Phone Line.  The phone much be converted to a Business phone first.<br> </div>How about dry loop business service for xDSL?<br><br>I'm quite happy with Primus for our POTS business lines and would NEVER consider using Bell for telephone service.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by idontthinkso  :</small><br><br>if you search the Bell forum there's a post by DeadPool that clearly states business phone lines can and will be installed into residential units. So I'd search for that post and then rethink the no business phones in personal residents part.<br> </div>That is what I meant but you only get the DSL corresponding to the line type that is provisioned but you can have a business line on a res unit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1556267"><b>cpsycho</b></A> : Response:<br><br>The proposed tariff at best is a ploy to hamper competition, to give bell an advantage. Ruling in their favor on this will only show to all Canadians that the CRTC has become old, gray, and sponsor the old boys club. In reality I should not need to comment on this befoulment to customer rights, to the rights of other businesses to run a fair business. Why is it the public itself has to become the babysitter of a government agency. Right now I feel ashamed to be a Canadian.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : if you search the Bell forum there's a post by DeadPool that clearly states business phone lines can and will be installed into residential units. So I'd search for that post and then rethink the no business phones in personal residents part.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : You can only get business DSL on a business telephone line and residential DSL on a residential telephone line. Bell provisions it so TekSavvy cannot choose which one you get.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : hey rocky why don't you also send an email regarding the eConsultation website regarding the traffic management? From the looks of there is like only around 100-ish people voicing their opinion. It is going to end on the end of April right?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1553725"><b>Zyzomys</b></A> : I sent off my note to the CRTC.  My contract with Bell expires May 15th, so I would really like some options.  Here is hoping the CRTC decides against Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : So is this an accurate statement:<br><br>"As such, you can't get Teksavvy Business DSL on a residential Phone Line. The phone much be converted to a Business phone first."<br><br>Sorry for the re-ask, but I'm curious if my Bell residential phone line would need to be converted before I could get one of your business services.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1309180"><b>gimli</b></A> : still waiting for you to start offering Bus lines.....<br>bloody Bell]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1309180"><b>gimli</b></A> : Type of Application:<br>Tariff<br>Subject:<br>File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181<br>Comments:<br>It would simply be a gross miscarriage of justice for the CRTC to allow Bell Canada to operate<br>with the guidelines under File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181. It<br>would put so many smaller companies ( the life blood) of our economy out of business or in a<br>position of being unable to compete. not to mention the consumers. As a consumer, I have<br>absolutley no rights when dealing with Bell canada. Allowing this bill to go through would<br>empower them even further and force Canadians to use their over priced and mismanaged<br>services. Not to mention that Bell Canada mismanages their money and resources and screws<br>even their own workforce. This bill also undermines the idea of Broadband for all Canadians.<br>50-60 dollars a month is far too much to pay for any one - considering the average income of a<br>Canadian family is only about 35,000 / year. Low bandwidth caps and ridiculous overage fees<br>are a money grab and pure profit with no underlying cost. Web designers and multimedia web<br>pages enable rich content, but who can afford to visit these sites and download media when it<br>costs an arm and a leg. Combine this high fee/low cap/high overage charges with Bells push for<br>rich media / voip telecom and TV over internet.. you wont be able to use your phone and watch<br>tv without paying monthly overage charges. This bill will take us backwards for years and years<br>to come. Pass this bill and I personally will lose all faith in the CRTC and its function... to stop<br>this gross mis-justice.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.<br> </div>Ahh... yes, sorta....<br><br>Bell identifies the phone line (Business/Residential) and automatically tags if for DSL pricing.<br><br>As such, you can't get Business DSL on a residential Phone Line.  The phone much be converted to a Business phone first.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1210050"><b>Jethro86</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Lexx  :</small><br><br>Even though I have a friend who's outside of Bobcaygen (population of what 1000) that gets 3 meg service???<br><br>Lexx<br> </div>How's this then? I live 2km outside of Morewood. (pop under 500) I get full 5mbps. Sorry! :-)<br>Only because Bell actually upgraded the whole system to Morewood. Never thought I'd see the day.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : I'm asking if you have to specify the type of service you will be providing when you order the copper/fibre portion and if there are two different costs to you, one for residential service and one for business.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ok, is there a selection of wholesale choices you get (TekSavvy) from Bell, including Business wholesaling?  Or is it just a port you rent and no description of services.<br> </div>?<br><br>This is DSL.... There's a copper/fibre cloud component and an Internet Cloud component...  Bell provides the copper/fibre portion and and Peer1, Cogent, Tiscali, etc provide the Internet cloud portion.<br><br>Not sure what you're asking...<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1210050"><b>Jethro86</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by get lost hogs :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  davidbrown <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.<br> </div>AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.<br><br> I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates. <br><br>I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.<br><br> Here is my submission.<br><br>I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................<br> </div>Ah yes one of "those" guys. Assume everything is all illegal. You will be the first to complain when you go over because the kids have found Youtube or play a lot of MP games online.<br>I know of a friend with kids loving the online game. One boy, one game 1gb per day... he's got 3 boys. There that's done. No downloading, no emails, no Windows patches, no system updates.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : Ok, is there a selection of wholesale choices you get (TekSavvy) from Bell, including Business wholesaling?  Or is it just a port you rent and no description of services.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Just a question, does TekSavvy offer "Business" lines?<br> </div>Yes<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://teksavvy.com/en/busdsl.asp?ID=7&mID=1" >teksavvy.com/en/busdsl.asp?ID=7&mID=1</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : Just a question, does TekSavvy offer "Business" lines?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I mentioned that any cap limit will slow down Canada's economic recovery. Bell is denying the creation of new Canadian online businesses, that highly depend on the large amounts of bandwidth at the office & the employee's residential homes.  New services that could rival Bell, Rogers such as a new internet tv, voip, computer game networks, etc etc etc.... This is just a Bell cash grab & securing their copper wire monopoly. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1590832"><b>qp</b></A> : Sent this out yesterday as soon as I read the e-mail!<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  qp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1590832"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It is with great concern that I watch the CRTC proceedings regarding<br>Bell and its new desire to cap whole sale internet providers.  I do<br>not understand how this can be allowed?  I am paying my ISP (Teksavvy<br>in this case) money and am happy with their service, thus far.  They<br>are paying Bell for the use of copper and for the traffic.  They<br>provide their own connection to the wider internet.  At what point<br>should Bell be allowed to regulate my traffic in any way, shape or<br>form?<br><br>I rely on the Internet for work.  I rely on the Internet more and more<br>in other aspects of life as do many Canadians.  For example, I find I<br>am spending more and more money on software online (much of it from<br>Canadian publishers no less).  Some of these purchases involve large<br>amounts of data.  Many of these online purchases are not available in<br>any other form.  So with Bell's interference they are basically going<br>to be increasing the costs of my purchases significantly - to the<br>point of making them unfeasible in some cases.  Another example is the<br>online rental or purchase of movies (via XBox Live, or iTunes).<br>Movies, especially HD movies consume bandwidth, so again Bell is<br>looking to increase my cost for this?<br><br>While I understand there may be the odd technical issue where<br>bandwidth may not be availble fully during peak periods, I fail to see<br>how this would provide justification for putting an arbitrary 60GB cap<br>across the board.  I plead that the CRTC will stop Bell from abusing<br>their position of trust and hamstring the Internet for many Canadians.<br> Please do not allow Bell to proceed with any sort of mandatory caps! </div>Tried to focus on the economic impact.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1210050"><b>Jethro86</b></A> : Kinda OT...<br>I had a thought this morning and wondering if anyone would take the torch. Was sorting mail and reading "junk" mail from The Council of Canadians  which is a public group that fights for issues in Canada. Currently they are fighting the sale of water but they have also fought for health care changes, energy, food etc...<br>What if they were to get on board with this issue? That's a lot of support. <br>Just a thought...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1609880"><b>WaitForGodot</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by mmmHmmm :</small><br><br>Another interesting "bell concept" he mentioned, was bells plans to do line bonding to further increase speeds of adsl2+<br><br>When I mentioned to him thats not a bright new idea and teksavvy was already doing this, through MLPPP he was jaw dropped. <br> </div>Isn't it that Bell is always behind the times, but fast on double-dipping into peoples' wallets.  The wholesalers are paying the full price of covering costs, this UBB is pure profit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1311511"><b>drjp81</b></A> : Sent a message as well<br><small>--<br>Cheers!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1609880"><b>WaitForGodot</b></A> : I voted on this topic with my new avtar. :D<br><br>I just hope CRTC gets its head out off Bell's rear, and start proving their true purpose in life, the role they were appointed to -> to protect the average Canadians' rights, else they have missed a great opportunity to actually shape good internet policy.<br><br>Too bad for Bell and any other telcos and cablecos, lurking and watching the outcome of this issue, so that they may find new innovative ways to line their pockets, too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Another interesting "bell concept" he mentioned, was bells plans to do line bonding to further increase speeds of adsl2+<br><br>When I mentioned to him thats not a bright new idea and teksavvy was already doing this, through MLPPP he was jaw dropped. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1293592"><b>cbp</b></A> : Hmmm... <br><br>@Rocky.<br>Did you send emails to everyone? I did not receive anything yet.<br><br>-----------------------------------<br><br>Yes, I did submit a letter to CRTC.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Another interesting part, was how their Online Video Rental / Purchase system.<br>Does not count towards your bandwidth cap.<br>If you use this server and go over your cap, you will not be charged, if you are, you can call in and have the fees reversed as per policy.<br><br>Alot of what you see with bell, is for the books only and do not hold any grounds in reality ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Forgot the best part.<br><br>Bells vdsl service for IPTV , is unlimited and they are being trained this with their phone support.<br><br>The new 25Mbit service to be released soon is also being trained to them as being unlimited. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Actually, even on adsl1 many qualify for 8Mbit or higher.<br><br>The only thing bell for adsl2+ is update a firmware / push a button.<br><br>All CO's and remotes are fiber fed right now and have been for years.<br><br>If nothing else, we all would get more then we do now, provided our lines can handle it.<br><br>I know a guy who works for bell and confirms this is the case and hes with teksavvy, funny thing is, if the CRTC asked him questions about the network, they'd see a much different picture then bell paints.<br><br>Like, how bell just removed the fee for dry loop, its free now.  How all the CO's and remotes are fiber, how bell can chose to waive over-usage fees and few other tricks they have up their sleeves. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : What good is matching speeds when over 90 percent of the subscribers are not eligible (old line cards) for adsl2+?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1583668"><b>chronoss2009</b></A> : that makes me want to setup a wireless network <br>OHHH<br>peterborough has double the density of Ottawa]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I have submitted a response as well.<br><br>I just wish I could get a decent speed from you guys. I have cogeco and am being gouged, but Apparently Bell hasn't deemed the north end of Peterborough (a approx 80-90% residential area as a place that would make them money??) so I am limited to a 1 meg dsl connect :(. Even though I have a friend who's outside of Bobcaygen (population of what 1000) that gets 3 meg service???<br><br>Lexx]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1028945"><b>Hilroyy</b></A> : Rocky I had just got your email today and had very little time to type this out, just before midnight.  I don't know all the ins and outs of the BS with bell but I figure the more people they hear from the better.<br><br>Roy<br><br>Dear Sir of Madam<br>After years of putting up with telecom Monopolies and now living within a major Duopoly to receive my high speed internet the only shinning light that consumers have are 3rd party resellers of Bell.  As I understand Bell provides TekSavvy  (my provider) with last mile, wholesale DSL access services, which TekSavvy uses to provide me with my Internet access.  As I also understand Bell Canada would like to lower caps to 3rd party users (60 Gig instead of the 200gig I have now) Bell has been directed by the CRTC to provide matching speeds which would allow us all to have more flexibility in our day to day online requirements, it would also let the 3rd party providers compete on a larger scale with Bell and Rogers.   Instead of adhering to these directives, Bell decided to take this issue to the federal Cabinet and at the same time file a tariff application with the CRTC proposing to introduce Usage Based Billing (UBB) on its wholesale customer accounts.<br>To protect competition and innovation large telecoms and cable companies must be made to share infrastructure, infrastructures that the Canadian taxpayer had a hand in paying for at one time, having different choices like Teksavvy has given me a feeling that there are companies out there doing a better job, and are taking positive steps towards the future of our broadband system.<br>I ask that you think long and hard on decisions that are being made at this juncture, our ability to compete on the world stage is being threatened along with many communities underserved or not served at all.  There is a clear disadvantage to those communities to be able to compete in a larger arena.  Along with the future of television online which is one of the main reasons companies like bell would like to lower caps and start charging large overage fees.  The internet is able to give people new option to watching their favorite show which I what Bell fells threatens their core satellite service business.<br>In closing it is not healthy to have a company in charge of innovation who has little interest in it since it threatens their years of their monopoly and overcharging of customers.  The internet isn&#146;t just a wire that connects to the back of my computer, it allows me to see things all through the world that 10 years I could not do, see people &frac12; a world away,  and learn so much more than I ever could have imagined.<br>I hope you take this task seriously and give much thought, you are the only ones that can make a change, you are the ones we trust will do the right thing for the overall future of technology.<br>Regards]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/901123"><b>eareye</b></A> : Whew! I managed to get my comments submitted just in the nick of time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Here's what I submitted.  I think it sucks that they feel they have to charge for use, but at least make the next 60Gb cost the same as the first?  Even if I'm buying something really rare, it still costs less if I buy more.<br>------------<br>Bell Canada's proposed tariffs represent a punitive presumption about what is valid Internet use.  I say punitive because their wholesale pricing for transfer between end users and a third party Internet Service Provider, with its own connection to the Internet, would see the ISP pay three times as much for any data transferred from a single residence in excess of a 60GB cap. If usage based billing proves necessary, it should be linear or allow for a bulk discount.  How can they justify a penalty?  Does it really cost three times more after that amount, or is it an arbitrary threshold?  Do Canadians who share an address with roommates to save costs need to be penalized under this per-residence scheme?<br><br>I research search technology for a small, international company.  We have recently licensed a terabyte (1000GB) corpus from the University of Glasgow.  It is text and compresses fairly well so it would only be a matter of copying 80GB from our Danish office to my home in Toronto. In most any other market, if I need a larger quantity of service, I pay less. Why ought I be punished instead when the commodity is bandwidth?  Many other areas of academic and corporate research involve large data sets and not all of this work is done out of large corporate or institutional offices. <br><br>Research needs aside, CRTC has a specific mandate to foster Canadian culture.  Artists working with high quality digital media use very large files.  Compression used to make them smaller for distribution cannot be applied until the end without losing quality.  It would be easy to exceed 60GB of transfer when collaborating on a film project with HDTV video for example, and this is the new standard.<br><br>And what if artists wanted their audience to access their content directly over the Internet without going through traditional media outlets?  Preventing Canadian distribution of HDTV video through alternative channels represents a conflict of interest, given Bell's TV division.<br><br>Carriers in other parts of the world (Japan is a prime example) offer their users much faster Internet access.  I am very, very skeptical that Bell has reached the limits of its equipment.  Thanks to advances in dense wavelength division multiplexing that allow huge bandwidth over existing fibre trunk infrastructure and ADSL2 for last mile (supported even by the Siemens Speedstream 4200 modems that Bell has been distributing to their customers) the question should not be how to limit the amount of data Canadians can move around, but why aren't we increasing it to world-leading levels?<br><br>It's about copyright.  People watch TV without ads over the Internet.  A lot of people are transferring a lot of content they're not allowed to.  That is what I believe is being penalised here.  Time Warner is taking the same measures in the United States--search any newswire for the keywords "broadband cap".  But copyright is a separate issue.  That Bell would even propose this is an insult to the CRTC and the Canadians they protect.  Instead of working with our government to help develop a framework for intellectual property that is best for our society, Bell is attempting to control the situation by throttling our ability to move any type of information.<br><br>The potential economic activity from unfettered digital communication in our country is much more important than Bell's business model staying the way it is today.  Television, telephone and Internet services are fast becoming the same thing and Bell Canada administers the fibre optics and copper wire that link many Canadians together in Ontario and Quebec.  They also sell telephone service and television content.  It is precisely this conflict of interest that motivated the CRTC to force Bell to offer access to its network infrastructure at wholesale in the first place.  Please do not allow them to subvert that intent and stifle our communication.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499698"><b>Gman</b></A> : Even though i too submitted a comment, what do you think are the odds of them actually reading all of them as opposed to just saying "we reviewed the comments and have found them to be in support of Bell's decision. DURRRRRRRRRRR."<br><br>Yes, I'm being serious. This is how little faith I have left in the CRTC (a government body!) to do their job correctly.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1543749"><b>Horrigan</b></A> : Sudmitted. Let's pray guys.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1504703"><b>funkytim</b></A> : Submitted my comments with pleasure]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1599325"><b>zacron</b></A> : Comments Submitted!!<br><br>Bell Needs to get some brains in their head!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1542239"><b>PXA</b></A> : Comment submitted.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540363"><b>gregca</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Jaser :</small><br><br>WISP tech is getting better and better. If you can solve the backhaul problem (a big issue for remote WISPs), it could be a winner. <br> </div>I've looked a fair bit into the WISP model.  It has potential to use WiMAX or 4G (when it's ready) - but really all the Telcos have to do is upgrade their existing towers to basically kill the startup infrastructure company.  I think the sweet spot is still in fiber to the node.  It can still provide higher bandwidths and (with exception of someone putting a shovel through it) is not affected by environmental factors.  The WISP model could be used to provide access to more outlaying areas until its feasible to run fiber there.  The areas with only dial-up would be happy with anything cheaper than satellite.<br><br>There was a company in Toronto running fiber to residences and from what I've heard it was being successful at doing so - but then Rogers bought them out, never to be heard from again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : WISP tech is getting better and better. If you can solve the backhaul problem (a big issue for remote WISPs), it could be a winner. <br><br>The golden horseshoe could be killer for this sort of thing, with wireless backhauls running unobstructed over Lake Ontario, but I'll be honest, I'm not sure if the tech is _quite_ there yet for wide-scale stuff.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540363"><b>gregca</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  HoserMcMoose <A HREF="/useremail/u/847023"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Rocky, if you ever decide to go with a technology that by-passes Bell and runs entirely on your own network (or possibly some sort of CAIP co-operative network) I will sign up the first day it's available at any reasonable price.<br> </div>I think the idea of a co-operative (potentially not-for-profit) infrastructure company is an excellent idea.  However, I find it's a hard sell.  Yes, you would need to run lines (likely fiber) everywhere in the country ultimately and this would be very costly.  But, look to the past - there's copper phone lines to almost everyone's houses (cheaper technology - I know) and after that came cable in most populous areas.  Fiber's the next logical step and I'd rather a co-operative and/or not-for-profit do this than Bell/Telus/Rogers and only focus on the infrastructure and lease this to ISPs/Home Phone/TV companies.  And there's no reason to limit this to home users - there's lots of money in connecting businesses (offices directly and internet access).  If you had fiber run throughout the country, just imagine the demand for reliable fiber but at a reasonable cost.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1529226"><b>EvanUnisil</b></A> : When will they be announcing their decision? I just submitted my comment! Woo, thanks Rocky. I can't believe Australia has figured out that a competitive market is for the better before Canada. Absolutely ridiculous that Bell still holds this monopoly.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1390778"><b>defiantxx</b></A> : Submitted! Hope they get the message.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/847023"><b>HoserMcMoose</b></A> : Arrrggghh!!! WTF Bell?  I'm not even your customer and you STILL try to screw me over?<br><br>I attempted to submit my complaint to the CRTC but I'm getting nothing but errors, probably so many of us complaining that we're flooding their servers!  I will keep trying up until midnight tonight.<br><br>I will also be e-mailing Industry Minister Tony Clement (cc'ing my own MP) about this.<br><br>Rocky, if you ever decide to go with a technology that by-passes Bell and runs entirely on your own network (or possibly some sort of CAIP co-operative network) I will sign up the first day it's available at any reasonable price.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/738593"><b>vitesse</b></A> : Thanks for this great idea. Have send a comment (but in french) and tried as much as I could to ask friends to do so.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1454995"><b>Rastan</b></A> : Thanks for the email. I have been following what's been going on lately so I knew about Bell's proposal, but I've been busy and I would not have emailed the CRTC my thoughts about this had it not been for your reminder.<br><br>Keep us up to date with what Teksavvy is doing about this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : That's exactly what I did, attached the pdf, filled out the required bits, like title, first name, last name and an email addy, only after submitting that does it give me the error message.<br><br>Blah. I've emailed 3 CRTC peoples on it. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1504068"><b>Shikomu</b></A> : Comments Submitted !]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540527"><b>Abattoir</b></A> : Comment submitted.  I was lucky to see the post before the deadline!  Thanks Rocky!<br><br>BTW - I never got the email today...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1567199"><b>Haraway</b></A> : I sent in my comment in a few hours ago.  When finished, it was confirmed like this:<br><br><blockquote>Reference number: *****<br><br>This is an automatic confirmation that we have received your message. If you have requested a response, we will contact you shortly. You may wish to print a copy of this confirmation by clicking on the small printer in the upper right-hand corner.</blockquote><br><br>Thanks, Rocky, for your heads up here & e-mail.  Funnily enough for a last-minute notice, it sure has garnered a big response here, and been at the top of the thread list all day.  Thanks to all who posted knowledgeable thoughts & facts on this issue.  It's such an emotionally charged issue that it helped to get some coherent ideas, and it will be more effective in the end. I have to remind myself that this is a long fight, not a one-time thing.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/495821"><b>MacGyver</b></A> : Also submitted my comments.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1504459"><b>VenusFlytrap</b></A> : I just submitted my comments online to the CRTC, against what Bell(er) wants.  Thanks Rocky and TekSavvy for your hard work in helping to make the internet a better and more democratic network for us all.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1591150"><b>otty</b></A> : on the link Rocky provided there is an option to attach files. Attach the .pdf or whatever document you've got. No fancy file formats though. This is the CRTC....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Oh, just awesome, procedure@crtc.gc.ca bounces back.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : In for 6 pages, submitted as a PDF with an executive summary. I think it's clearly written.<br><br>I got the "An error has occurred", so I sent mine in via email to procedure@crtc.gc.ca<br><br>If anyone knows of other email addys I should forward it to, let me know.<br><br>One glaring thing I found:<br><br>Proposed 2mbps tariff - 20gb/month included, cost: $22/month<br>Current 5mbps tariff -  60gb/month included, cost: $22.50/month<br><br>So, for an extra 50 cents, they're giving you an extra 40 gigabytes. That's 1.25cents/gb]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  LucasMoon <A HREF="/useremail/u/751517"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>no.<br> </div>That explains things a bit.<br><br>And now we play the waiting game................ AH THE WAITING GAME SUCKS! Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/751517"><b>LucasMoon</b></A> : no.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : Submitted.<br><br>Am I supposed to receive a confirmation e-mail?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540363"><b>gregca</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Trisomy21 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Just got me wondering... has anybody questioned those bastards if they actually did upgrades or did that money just went to somebody's bonus?<br><br>If not, CRTC should be.<br> <hr></blockquote><br></div>I sure don't think they've done any upgrades - or at least none in my area just north of Toronto.  They've just discovered that my slow speeds (max 1200kbps down) and frequent disconnects are to to multiple "Bridge Taps" in my line.  If you research those you'll find they were primarily used in the party line days.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524586"><b>onlyrh40</b></A> : Got through with this one.<br><br>Bell is abusing its monopoly power and is expecting the CRTC to aid and abet it in its quest to rip off its customers and transfer the wealth to its undeserving executives. It is past time that Bell was broken up AT&T style into 1) Common Carrier 2) Bell Express Vu 3) Sympatico 4) CTV  5) Globe and Mail 6) Sundry others. I will be very active in the next election campaign if this attempt at legal robbery is successful. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1541267"><b>RobP</b></A> : Submitted.  Not that they ever listen, but no one can ever say I didn't speak up LoL]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/659803"><b>jam_bongo</b></A> : I sent a letter too, good luck guys]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1590189"><b>Banimator</b></A> : Submitted my comment just now.<br><br>Hope it helps, and someone reads it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1587840"><b>erfans</b></A> : Comment submitted.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><b>JunjiHiroma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  onlyrh40 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1524586"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I got an error message when I checked next on the CRTC form. I then checked the link for error messages to procedure@CRTC.gc.ca. I got back a "failed to deliver to recipient" message.<br>Have CRTC blocked all Teksavvy related messages?<br> </div>I got mine in so I probably didn't have a problem.That was when the news first broke to me]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524586"><b>onlyrh40</b></A> : I got an error message when I checked next on the CRTC form. I then checked the link for error messages to procedure@CRTC.gc.ca. I got back a "failed to deliver to recipient" message.<br>Have CRTC blocked all Teksavvy related messages?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : UBB is quiet simply a unrealistic when internet services require unlimited bandwidth more and more.<br><br>With a family of 4 heavy internet users, 60GB is IMPOSSIBLE!<br><br>UBB only give services providers like Bell, Rogers, Telus the ability to deliver TV, Telephone and other future services outside the limitation of 60gb per month.<br><br>Other Canadian companies will simply be UNABLE to create new online services because their customers don't have the internet requirements.<br><br>THIS IS SERIOUSLY DAMAGE CANADIAN EFFORT TO RECOVERY THE ECONOMY!!  <br><br>THE INTERNET IS A ESSENTIAL UTILITY, LIKE ELECTRICITY AND THE TELEPHONE!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1107049"><b>oxymoron69</b></A> : I've sent a letter to the CRTC and submitted this story to boing boing a few hours ago, hopefully they'll get some coverage before it's too late. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : Is it true that the CRTC had a hold on submissions to this issue until just a few days ago?  If so, that has a definite foul odor to it. :hmm:<br><small>--<br>"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This has been posted to reddit.com.  Please add comments, it needs comments and votes to rise to the top quickly.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/8ciwi/bell_canada_requests_more_money_from_crtc_public/" >www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comm&middot;&middot;&middot;_public/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499698"><b>Gman</b></A> : I'm with a different reseller of Bell wholesale, so I sent in my own comment/suggestion. I find it odd that this was left so late to let people know, though. Like... 24 hours notice of lodging a complaint? Seriously?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <br>Submitted<br>--------------<br><br>I wish to note my objection to the above noted tariff submission by Bell Canada.<br><br>1) In previous filings with the CRTC, Bell failed to prove that there is any congestion of any note on their network.<br><br>2) Once sold to CAIP members, the 'last mile' and GAS backhaul connections are of no interest to Bell - Bell's sole responsibility with respect to these links are to provision the line and ensure that they remain running within the physical/electrical parameters of the circuits. <br><br>3) Bell has NOT opened its traffic statistics to meaningful pubic inspection, nor provided CAIP members who purchase 'last mile' & GAS services the opportunity to have independent auditors of their choice to examine Bell's data to determine whether there is ANY veracity in any of Bell's claims.<br><br>4) If Bell wishes to be an ISP, that's fine - let them be, but only under their Sympatico brand to their own residential & business customers sourced by their own efforts and marketing. I am not a Bell customer - I am a customer of Teksavvy and have specifically chosen them as my ISP because I prefer the Terms of Service they offer over those of Bell. <br><br>I choose not be be a customer of Sympatico/Bell under any of Bell's 'brands'.<br><br>5) With respect to 'last mile' & GAS, Bell should be forced by the CRTC to act solely as a 'common carrier' under the meaning of the law.<br><br>6) Fee increases such as Bell proposes will see my family's monthly internet bill approximately double at a time when we are struggling to keep our heads afloat with university tuition increases, higher municipal taxes and fees, and lower incomes due to the recession. And this doubling has nothing to do with P2P traffic - it's as a result of <br>Bell's intention to 'tax' the education of my children by increasing their non-tax deductible costs to access university libraries and other research resources necessary for their courses.<br><br>7) Bell's tariff proposal is an unwarranted revenue grab at a time when Canadians can scarcely afford any increase in the cost of living. Bell is attempting to engage in <br>'double-dipping' - charging end consumers for traffic already bought and paid for by their own ISP's (CAIP member) - in any other context this would be criminal fraud and prosecutable as such by any rookie Crown prosecutor.<br><br>8) In most locations within Bell's service area there is a duopoly of 'last mile' providers - the incumbent telco and cable company - neither of which offer innovative <br>services, satisfactory customer service, or reasonable prices. The only viable option to this duopoly is to ensure that truly independent ISP's have access to true common carrier services in order to provide real competition for residential and business users alike.<br><br>9) Bell's tariff proposal is anti-competitive and would amount to the expropriation of the business of CAIP members by a Bell/government cabal. Were CAIP members US-based, there could well be a challenge under Chapter 11, Article 1110 of NAFTA for this sort of decision, so I fail to see how the CRTC could even let Bell's tariff application see the light of day. Are Canadians expected to 'bend over' when an American company would be compensated for its losses under the proposed Bell tariff?  See <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/nafta-alena/texte/chap11.aspx?lang=en#article_1110" >www.international.gc.ca/trade-ag&middot;&middot;&middot;cle_1110</A><br><br>In summary Bell's tariff application should be denied in its entirety by the CRTC for reasons articulated above, and for reasons articulated by thousands of other Canadians who <br>would also be adversely affected. Bell Canada has, in my opinion, acted in bad faith throughout its submissions regarding all issues of Net Neutrality, throttling, and <br>usage-based billing over the past 20 months.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><b>Trisomy21</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Jman99 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1454856"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  El Quintron <A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Not to veer this to off topic but how likely is it that we could petition Industry Canada to disband the CRTC?<br><br>:D<br> </div>We don't need to get rid of the CRTC. Rather, we need them to only rule over *radio* and *television". There is no I(nternet) in CRTC.<br> </div>If that's the case who rules over the internet? Bell likes to think they do. Obviously some other regulatory body that actually specializes and understands the consequences of UBB, throttling and DPI.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><b>Trisomy21</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Just got me wondering... has anybody questioned those bastards if they actually did upgrades or did that money just went to somebody's bonus?<br><br>If not, CRTC should be.<br> <hr></blockquote><br><br>It's pretty clear they have no intention of upgrading, by degrading one of the lowest services available. Or they can continue to use population density as an excuse which is clearly just that. Why are higher speeds extremely rare in the GTA area? I would love to see an investigation on where all this money is going because it is clearly not going where it should be.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1467728"><b>zomo</b></A> : Comment sent!<br><br>Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing to you specifically regarding Bell's Usage Based Billing proposed Tariff and how it interferes and constricts competition. I am a teleworker and rely on my Internet connection for full time employment. While originally with Bell, I chose to move to an ISP Wholesaler (Teksavvy) for unlimited Internet access. I understand the last mile delivery of service utilizes Bell's copper loop; to which Resellers gain access and pay for. What shouldn't be permitted is Bell throttling or the implementation of UBB. Afterall, the Resellers source and build their own Internet transit. I beseech you to intervene and withhold approval for any UBB model. Canada requires competition. Taxpayers paid for the local access for almost 100 years. Allow Wholesalers/Resellers access to Telecom providers local loop for broadband access - thus permitting competition and choice. Doing otherwise will require me to drive to work - hardly a green solution when compared to Teleworking.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Sorry don't want to register just to post this, but here's what I wrote:<br><br>Type of Application:<br>Tariff<br><br>Subject:<br>File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181<br><br>Comments:<br>It is important for the CRTC to see that this request by Bell Canada, if granted, will dramatically change Canadians' access to Internet services for the worse. With available bandwidth already trailing behind the progress of networks in other countries, this new pricing structure would only serve to limit the ability of Canadians to use public networks in business, education, and day-to-day activities, eventually making it difficult for Canada to compete on an international playing field. Bell Canada already enjoy a healthy monopoly in the form of last-mile fiber, and essentially are already in position to reap benefits from the presence of DSL wholesalers. This request is a thinly veiled attempt from Bell to argue their competition out of the market, while we the customers would only suffer from such a dramatic change in pricing. Since we have no real evidence of the so-called "network strain" that is claimed in this request, and since we see no indication that Bell is making serious attempts to improve their networks, I see no reason to grant them further monopolistic abilities to charge exponentially more for access to their fiber. Rather, we should work towards rescinding their monopoly and allowing competitors to expand telecommunications services and charge less for it. The common Canadian resident or business stands to benefit in no way from this deal, since it would essentially force many DSL wholesalers out of business, breaking up an otherwise (mostly) healthy industry. Further more, it is likely that this request is a direct response to previous orders by the CRTC (2008-117) that they be required to make bandwidth availability equal for wholesale DSL resellers. As such, this request is an insult both to the CRTC and to Canadians as a whole.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : a few extra points:<br>Bell offers Max 10 (10Mpbs at $42.95) and Max 16 with 100GB quota while limiting 3rd party to 60GB.  This is an unfair advantage offering extra to their customers and less for 3rd party ISP..<br><br>To get to the 100GB, you'll be paying an extra UBB of $22.50, so effectively a +75% increase of TSI's $29.95 200GB package only available at 5Mbps!  They charges their own customer less than what it would be on their tariff!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1627342"><b>Chicoman</b></A> : Did mine too.<br>Also posted about it on a different forum (ncix.com) I frequent and know there's lot's of people that don't like Hell's proposal.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=showthread&forum=196&threadid=1993153&pagenumber=1&msgcount=6&subpage=1" >forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=sho&middot;&middot;&middot;ubpage=1</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Submitted]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1443973"><b>Zenphic</b></A> : Sent an msg to the CRTC :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/779649"><b>dbusguy</b></A> : Got mine, thank-you.<br>Send them anytime.  It's good to be kept up to date.<br><br>I went online and gave them my thoughts and set TSI a copy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : I'm about to send this. If anyone has any suggestions, let me know.<br><br>I put in the underscores because the DSLR forums don't format blank spaces properly.<br><br>"_____I do not support what Bell is proposing. In response to the CRTC&#146;s request for matched speeds, Bell has refused wholesale internet service providers access to higher speeds (ADSL2+), and in the process has appealed to cabinet. Immediately afterwards, Bell filed a wholesale tariff to the CRTC implementing usage based billing with a 60GB bandwidth cap at the same speeds that the wholesale ISPs are currently given. This denotes that Bell will charge the wholesale ISPs between $1.13/GB and $1.85/GB. These wholesale providers pay for bandwidth from non-Bell providers, which would give Bell a 100% profit on it. While it is difficult to tell exactly how much bandwidth costs for an ISP, most of them say that in a worst case scenario, it is approximately $0.05/GB. Bell also currently throttles the wholesale providers&#146; bandwidth during peak hours due to claims of network congestion, but has also failed to prove any network congestion on their networks let alone the fact that the wholesale ISPs use their own networks.<br>_____I will use my ISP TekSavvy as an example. They provide inexpensive 5Mbit/s internet services for $30 per month. Then in March 2008, Bell started throttling their services. Currently, the only thing that distinguishes TekSavvy from the main ISPs is their 200GB as well as their unlimited bandwidth offering. If this tariff gets approved, there will be nothing to differentiate the small wholesale internet service providers from Bell&#146;s internet services.<br>_____<b>Bell offers their Max 10 service with a 100GB for $42.95 in Ontario and 80GB for $44.95 in Quebec. This is unfair advantage to Bell as not only do TekSavvy customers get less bandwidth at that price than Bell customers would get, but their services are half the speed of Bell&#146;s Max 10 services. Assuming TekSavvy charges $30/month, their customers would need to pay $52.50 for equal the amount of bandwidth.</b><br>_____All of this amounts to Bell being anti-competitive. While Canada was once at the top in broadband internet penetration, we are now very close to the bottom behind many developing countries.<br>_____As such, I request that the CRTC does not accept TN 7181, but also to force Bell to offer the wholesale ISPs matched speeds without a bandwidth cap.<br><br>_____Thank you for your consideration."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  eots <A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If the CRTC gives Bell the green light on this then it becomes a case for the equally useless Competition Bureau, who have repeatedly deferred this matter to the CRTC when it has always been an anti-competitive issue.  Bell's sole goal is to destroy the competition that the original tariff created. </div>Quite frankly I can't see how the CRTC can justify favouring Bell in this.  One of the prime principles of the CRTC's mandate is to promote a competitive marketplace.  The CRTC would be going against the purpose of their being.<br><br>If they did (= political suicide for them) - that would be a justifiable golden opportunity to bring this direct contradiction to the attention of the public and the gov't and get some change or disband it.<br><small>--<br>"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><b>eots</b></A> : If the CRTC gives Bell the green light on this then it becomes a case for the equally useless Competition Bureau, who have repeatedly deferred this matter to the CRTC when it has always been an anti-competitive issue.  Bell's sole goal is to destroy the competition that the original tariff created.   :mad:<br><br>I submitted my comments to the CRTC also.  Thanks for keeping customers informed Rocky. I know everyone doesn't come to this forum and may not be aware of the current issues, so the email was a good move.  I hope the CRTC is flooded with last minute comments.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1454856"><b>Jman99</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  El Quintron <A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Not to veer this to off topic but how likely is it that we could petition Industry Canada to disband the CRTC?<br><br>:D<br> </div>We don't need to get rid of the CRTC. Rather, we need them to only rule over *radio* and *television". There is no I(nternet) in CRTC.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1570380"><b>GyroCaptain</b></A> : Well, it does look like I'm going back to dial-up with the rest of my extended family if this goes through with Bell. I refuse to be capped, tracked, or blackmailed by Bell. It was nice while it lasted. I really enjoyed YouTube and the HD demos over at bit-hdtv.<br><br>Usenet - Dead. Really, whats the point? With Giganews, Newshosting, unlimited is a joke now.<br><br>P2P/BitTorrent - Dead<br><br>Google Earth, YouTube HD, Hulu - Dead<br><br>WoW and other game updates - With caps...good luck with that if you have a big family like me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/610469"><b>Soiduts</b></A> : Email sent. Lets hope the CRTC actually does something that benefits Canadians.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1439300"><b>morningstar</b></A> : I sent them a note, and made my boyfriend do the same thing. I'll tell other people to do the same thing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : Not to veer this to off topic but how likely is it that we could petition Industry Canada to disband the CRTC?<br><br>:D<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1591150"><b>otty</b></A> : Ok I submitted. Luckily I have my own form letter ready for this crap. But really what's up? I mean I have been following this stuff checking in day by day at least twice per day and I heard nothing about a deadline for response to the UBB tariff filing. Do you have to work for the CRTC in order to know what's going on? In fact they phoned me the other day about an earlier filing of mine not knowing where to put it. I told them it was abou Bell's appeal Cabinet and the speed parity issue. Marie at the CRTC thought that this was already over and a stay granted. This I knew was incorrect, but really how is the public to be involved when it takes a full time lawyerly attention to even know what's  going on. <br><br>When did they ask for submissions? Where is the link? are there submissions already posted? <br><br>THIS IS BS!!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AkFubar <A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>.   :D<br> </div>. is right.<br><br>I might get rude.<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/543718"><b>ToniCipriani</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  twooper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1372053"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>regarding the petition from bell to increase internet usage rates<br><br>&#9;I am against fees for Internet usage. There is no reasonable argument that can convince me that the internet is a limited resource and that we should conserve it and charge a premium for it. Other nations have an infrastructure capable of delivering a higher speed internet at a lower or equivalent price. Japan, for instance. We in Canada have been gouged by telecom companies historically. The so called rental of phones netted the Bell and others millions in revenue long after those phones were paid for by consumer. Touch tone service charges on phone bills? Is that some kind of joke?<br><br>&#9;Telecoms have often hidden behind "infrastructure improvements" as a way to demand rate increases or a change to policy but the nature of technology shows us that we can squeeze more data into the same delivery system. With fibre optics in place and digital switching in virtually every device these days, the actual costs have gone down for the wholesale movement of data. We see a natural convergence of Phone and Television towards the internet. My question, how does Video DSL play into the the idea of rates for data usage? When video over the internet (VDSL) is offered by Bell exclusively, wouldn't that monopolize the internet for Bells ambition to enter the television market? I have no intention to subsidize Telecoms' ambitions to deliver HBO to some lawyer in a Bay street condo. Its high time Communications companies come up with a reasonable plan that does not involve nickel and dime-ing the average consumer.  <br><br>Sent to the hearing<br>CRTC<br> </div>Just got me wondering... has anybody questioned those bastards if they actually did upgrades or did that money just went to somebody's bonus?<br><br>If not, CRTC should be.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  LazyKid <A HREF="/useremail/u/1542052"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Damn , I'm so confused .. Don't know what to write . <br> </div>Just C&P someone else's post into you submission, you could mix and match if you felt really creative.<br><br>I think the point is to create volume right now, because they aren't going to read every single comment regarding this.<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1372053"><b>twooper</b></A> : regarding the petition from bell to increase internet usage rates<br><br>&#9;I am against fees for Internet usage. There is no reasonable argument that can convince me that the internet is a limited resource and that we should conserve it and charge a premium for it. Other nations have an infrastructure capable of delivering a higher speed internet at a lower or equivalent price. Japan, for instance. We in Canada have been gouged by telecom companies historically. The so called rental of phones netted the Bell and others millions in revenue long after those phones were paid for by consumer. Touch tone service charges on phone bills? Is that some kind of joke?<br><br>&#9;Telecoms have often hidden behind "infrastructure improvements" as a way to demand rate increases or a change to policy but the nature of technology shows us that we can squeeze more data into the same delivery system. With fibre optics in place and digital switching in virtually every device these days, the actual costs have gone down for the wholesale movement of data. We see a natural convergence of Phone and Television towards the internet. My question, how does Video DSL play into the the idea of rates for data usage? When video over the internet (VDSL) is offered by Bell exclusively, wouldn't that monopolize the internet for Bells ambition to enter the television market? I have no intention to subsidize Telecoms' ambitions to deliver HBO to some lawyer in a Bay street condo. Its high time Communications companies come up with a reasonable plan that does not involve nickel and dime-ing the average consumer.  <br><br>Sent to the hearing<br>CRTC]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><b>JunjiHiroma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ToniCipriani <A HREF="/useremail/u/543718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I was reading their application, so their explanation for this s**t is that we are using the network too much, and they will need to charge us because there is too much demand, so we need a new pricing model to gouge the minions.<br><br>Great. Just f**king great.<br> </div>If they knew that then they NEEDED to STOP  accepting new subscription or upgrade their DAMN network >.bell did neither and THEY WILL pay a hefty price]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/543718"><b>ToniCipriani</b></A> : I was reading their application, so their explanation for this s**t is that we are using the network too much, and they will need to charge us because there is too much demand, so we need a new pricing model to gouge the minions.<br><br>Great. Just f**king great.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : ty for the TSCC def.<br><br>I didn't understand it till you all explained. ty.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This email is really late, but at least it is sent to TSI customers.  :P  I have sent my online comments to CRTC, but I don't expect it to have any impact on the decision.  <br><br>I am certainly not looking forward to an effectively +75% increase in my ISP fees.   :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jackie999 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1573608"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I've submitted my comments as well...although I have the feeling the battle is already lost. You can't fight Ma Bell...........<br> </div>The key is innovation, not regulation. <br><br>I think every legal battle should be fought, but mostly as proof of corruption.<br><br>The only way to really win is technologically.<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1614170"><b>evildoer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by whats that :</small><br><br>TSCC?<br> </div>had to google it, but if you want a real answer is "the source by circuit city"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1444927"><b>Sinnor</b></A> : TSCC = The Source By Circuit City formerly known as Ratshack or RadioShack.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1573608"><b>jackie999</b></A> : I've submitted my comments as well...although I have the feeling the battle is already lost. You can't fight Ma Bell...........]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1581333"><b>Jeffer71</b></A> : Back under your bridge troll...<br><br>  Submitted my comment to CRTC.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by whats that :</small><br><br>TSCC?<br> </div>The store in practically every mall that sells overpriced equipment and the employees never know what they're talking about.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sinnor <A HREF="/useremail/u/1444927"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>People need to start bycotting Bell totally and have them feel the pain.<br><br>I got my entire family to switch from Bell to Teksavvy for Internet.<br> </div>yeah that will teach Bell! U boycott them...  :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : TSCC?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1444927"><b>Sinnor</b></A> : You know guys.....Bell need all the money they can find now after acquiring the TSCC...<br><br>People need to start bycotting Bell totally and have them feel the pain.<br><br>I got my entire family to switch from Bell to Teksavvy for Internet.<br><br>Teksavvy needs a decent phone package or even a VoIP service and then I can convince the rest of the family to dump Bell Landline.<br><br>Also no to Tariff....sounds like another visit to the Capital Rocky!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AkFubar <A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Passin Thru :</small><br><br>Congressman To Introduce Anti-Download Cap (/UBB) Bill<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/congressman-to.html" >blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/&middot;&middot;&middot;-to.html</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Congressman_To_Introduce_Anti_Download_Cap_Bill" >digg.com/tech_news/Congressman_T&middot;&middot;&middot;Cap_Bill</A><br> </div>Irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial.   :D<br><br>That's in the US and has nothing to do with this thread or our issue here.<br> </div>Did you actually look at it or just dismiss it knee-jerk fashion?<br><br>It seems like there are strong parallels and some of the thoughts might be applicable and useful.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : Finally got to submit the comment!<br><br>Check one for TSI.<br><br>-EQ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/congressman-to.html" >blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/&middot;&middot;&middot;-to.html</A><br><br>Change a few words to describe the Canadian situation?<br><br>..."Massa dismissed those arguments, describing TWC as an greedy, unregulated monopoly providing a utility service. His yet-to-be released bill would seek to increase competition among broadband providers and regulate monopolies, he said, though he declined to give specifics.<br><br>"They are providing a utility and frankly you should not be able to impose cascading rate increases without justifying them," Massa said. "What Time Warner is saying is not true and their own SEC filings show that. This is AIG-style greed."...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1567811"><b>burni13</b></A> : here's a comment I posted in french.<br><br>&Agrave; qui de droit,<br><br>Je crois que l'acceptation de la proposition de tarifs faite par Bell contrevient &agrave; l'id&eacute;e de permettre la comp&eacute;tition au Canada.<br><br>La comp&eacute;tition ne peut se d&eacute;marquer que par certains param&egrave;tres, les principaux &eacute;tant les suivants: <br>-Les prix <br>-La diversit&eacute; de l'offre<br><br>Les prix d&eacute;pendent des co&ucirc;ts d'exploitations. Ces co&ucirc;ts sont majoritairement fix&eacute;s par les tarifs du CRTC. Les fournisseurs ind&eacute;pendants n'ont donc pas une grande marge de maneuvre pour comp&eacute;titionner sur les prix. De plus, m&ecirc;me si un fournisseur internet offrait un service &agrave; un prix minime, le service offert ne conviendrait pas n&eacute;cessairement &agrave; tous les Canadiens.<br><br>-La diversit&eacute; de l'offre est le point qui est en p&eacute;ril dans le cas actuel. Les fournisseurs internet ind&eacute;pendants n'auront plus pleine jouissance de leur libert&eacute; pour cr&eacute;er des services diff&eacute;rents. Ces clients ont tous des besoins diff&eacute;rents. Certains n&eacute;cessitent des adresses IP statiques, d'autres n&eacute;cessitent plus de bande passante. Un m&eacute;lomane qui t&eacute;l&eacute;charge toute sa musique sur iTunes ou sur Archambault.ca ne peut se permettre d'avoir des limites &agrave; sa connexion internet. C'est pour ces raisons que les clients des fournisseurs d'acc&egrave;s ind&eacute;pendants ont fait ce choix, ils ont des besoins diff&eacute;rents. Ces fournisseurs ind&eacute;pendants visent donc les "niche market", des march&eacute;s qu'il ne faut pas n&eacute;gliger.<br><br>De plus, pour demeurer &agrave; l'avant-garde, le Canada se doit d'avoir une infrastructure d'acc&egrave;s internet forte, rapide et novatrice. <br><br>L'&eacute;conomie d&eacute;pendant de plus en plus des technologies internet, il est primordial d'encourager des r&eacute;seaux rapide, efficaces et fiables. <br><br>Encourager les limites revient &agrave; freiner l'innovation des technologies au Canada, ce qui aura certainement un effet sur l'&eacute;conomie Canadienne et sur le leadership du Canada dans ce domaine.<br><br>Il ne faut pas oublier que des succ&egrave;s comme RIM (Blackberry) d&eacute;pendent d'infrastructures technologiques fortes.<br><br>Merci de votre compr&eacute;hension, <br>Chandi Bernier, ing&eacute;nieur junior]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : Yes I understand all that, but what I would suggest is that the rights are only the first hurdle to clear.  Then a company needs to fund this equipment, build and then manage it.  I don't think too many wholesale companies have tens or hundreds of millions in capital to invest building their own access network.  I would think a few hotspots would get covered and the other areas that wouldn't generate as much return would be left alone.<br><br>Also, I think your comment about their monopoly is the point of view I think is unfortunate.  They've had a monopoly "for 100 years" on that infrastructure because they put all that infrastucture there and maintained it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Passin Thru :</small><br><br>Congressman To Introduce Anti-Download Cap (/UBB) Bill<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/congressman-to.html" >blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/&middot;&middot;&middot;-to.html</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Congressman_To_Introduce_Anti_Download_Cap_Bill" >digg.com/tech_news/Congressman_T&middot;&middot;&middot;Cap_Bill</A><br> </div>Irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial.   :D<br><br>That's in the US and has nothing to do with this thread or our issue here.<br><small>--<br>"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Congressman To Introduce Anti-Download Cap (/UBB) Bill<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/congressman-to.html" >blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/&middot;&middot;&middot;-to.html</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Congressman_To_Introduce_Anti_Download_Cap_Bill" >digg.com/tech_news/Congressman_T&middot;&middot;&middot;Cap_Bill</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  peterboro1 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1409678"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>.<br> </div>Shortest reply to date I've seen. :D <br><br>Edit: I suspect you read into the thread about Nexicom and then decided to delete. <br>Or do I really only deserve a "." <br> </div>Actually, he asked how you replied to a post within 3 seconds, but then he noticed it was actually 3 minutes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Yes, that would be if you want to provide the same level of service that is available by the remotes.  But that would also exponentially increase your capital costs and I'd be surprised to find many who are actually willing or capable to make this investment, especially in these times.<br> </div>Huh?  This is not only about money, its also about rights/access.  Gaining access to all these same spaces, something Bell has enjoyed through its monopoly for well over 100 years; something that isn't easily replicated/granted/had currently.  To do in ground or above ground anything requires one to go through Bell, which require engineering diagrams, etc.... something that can take months to grant (due to "red tape")....  So to do the same replication could take 500 years, never mind 100.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1409678"><b>peterboro1</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>.<br> </div>Shortest reply to date I've seen. :D <br><br>Edit: I suspect you read into the thread about Nexicom and then decided to delete. <br>Or do I really only deserve a "." ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : Yes, that would be if you want to provide the same level of service that is available by the remotes.  But that would also exponentially increase your capital costs and I'd be surprised to find many who are actually willing or capable to make this investment, especially in these times.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : There are other proceedings that are impacting what you just said and are making it potentially impossible to get to remotes, even with the Central Office equipment....   This is not just a GAS customer service issue at this point.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1409678"><b>peterboro1</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  STN <A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The one comment I would make to the people who acuse Bell of "trying to monopolize the entire internet in Canada" is that's far too simplistic.  They can only implement this for the companies who wholesale their access equipment.  If companies want to provide a full end-to-end solution they can install their own access equipment in CO's and control the bandwidth however they wish.  For example Bell can't control the traffic for Rogers DSL customers who use Rogers access equipment.<br><br>The wholesaling business relies on Bell equipment and as such is subject to issues like this.<br> </div>I went looking for advice and learned the same in this thread as well. So there is hope out there.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r22103676-Here-is-a-IZoom-flyer-in-mailbox-today-anyone-try-them">Here is a I-Zoom flyer in mailbox today, anyone try them?</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1131878"><b>STN</b></A> : The one comment I would make to the people who acuse Bell of "trying to monopolize the entire internet in Canada" is that's far too simplistic.  They can only implement this for the companies who wholesale their access equipment.  If companies want to provide a full end-to-end solution they can install their own access equipment in CO's and control the bandwidth however they wish.  For example Bell can't control the traffic for Rogers DSL customers who use Rogers access equipment.<br><br>The wholesaling business relies on Bell equipment and as such is subject to issues like this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Please help others know by Digging up this story<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/politics/Internet_use_in_Canada_about_to_go_sour_please_help" >digg.com/politics/Internet_use_i&middot;&middot;&middot;ase_help</A><br><br>and sharing the following link in social media websites: <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://steve-crtc.blogspot.com/" >steve-crtc.blogspot.com/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/649954"><b>Brano</b></A> : Comment submitted.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : My post:<br><br>I am writing to you today to voice my concern with regards to the proposed Tariff that Bell Canada has submitted to the CRTC. Competition is vital to the fairness to the customer. Canada is being left behind in the technological field because of a lack of competition due to lax in regulations. Every other aspect of Canadian regulation protects the people who cannot and do not have the knowledge to know any better. Why is the communication field being left behind? This is one of the most important things in human contact. Limiting the way Canadians can communicate is not a healthy way to promote new ideas. It is foolish to assume that Bell has our best interests are heart. Please consider the people. The internet is important to us to communicate with family and friends from all over the world, especially in the armed forces like Afganisthan. I wholeheartedly disagree with Bell's stance on the matter. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : My comment, is shown below:<br><br>Is there a way we can count how many comments have been made so far?<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Repeatedly Bell and other incumbents have shown strong arm tactics to stifle competition and innovation. Trying to stuff UBB (User Based Billing) down wholesalers throats is quite possibly the biggest slight Bell has shown the CRTC, by not bringing about speed parity but rather going 180 on the whole intention of improving service. We the consumers are held hostage by our incumbents, and yet hear how our American neighbors are improving their broadband infrastructure, and how Australia is investing $33billion in their broadband infrastructure. We are being left behind because of incumbents who all too willingly stifle the consumer by placing UBB, Caps, and Throttling on users who already pay way too much for a simple Internet connection. As a consumer if UBB is implemented, and speed parity doesn't happen within the year then I will leave my small ISP and rather go back to Dial-up. I am beginning to lose the benefits of High speed as all these obstacles leave me with just checking my email and surfing a webpage. Is this is the image of what Internet in Canada is supposed to be? A bland landscape where individuals just surf and check emails or rather a media enriched place where information is shared at the press of a button.<br><br>In conclusion UBB is not a good idea and will lead to abuse by the incumbents. Wholesalers already pay for getting their data back hauled ... I think our government would call this after-(Bell)tax dollars. The reason for this is because incumbents want to make the internet a generically packaged item, leaving wholesalers without any competitive edge. Also speed parity is a must, 5Mbps is the Internet of 2000 we are almost a decade in with the same speeds while the rest of the developed world have offerings ranging from 20Mbps to 150Mbps. CRTC must show a keen interest in the growth of the nations Broadband, as the policies made do have a significant impact on it.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Someone posted how Bell owns a big chunk of CTV.... elsewhere there are suggestions from the media companies that there be bandwidth cap exemptions for their own services.  Both Rogers and Bell are working on this.<br><br>The bandwidth caps are viewed by some (in government) as an effective way to limit file sharing, but it also limits other forms of entertainment delivery.  Online gaming, streaming video from licensed resellers, software updates, etc.  I'm sure the management at Bell appreciate that they are helping their satellite broadcasting arm with these caps by eliminating alternatives and forcing people back to them for tv programming.  My wife is Chinese and subscribes to a service KyLin TV which provides Internet based Chinese programs.  She's willing to pay $40/month for this service, but it's insulting to have Bell (or Rogers) add a bandwidth usage tax on top of this.  This was one of the reasons I switched to Teksavvy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/589933"><b>ssherwood</b></A> : Here is my submission :<br><br>To Whom It May Concern:<br><br>I am writing today to express concern over Bell Canada&#146;s Tariff proposal now before the CRTC.<br><br>One of the major ways in which ISPs currently distinguish themselves from the incumbent carriers like Bell Canada is to offer different bandwidth allowances.<br><br>Bell has proposed a limit of 60GB for subscribers within this proposed Tariff, while many ISPs currently offer significantly more generous limits, or no limit at all.  Eliminating the sole tangible distinction for customers will greatly impact the competitive field in Bell&#146;s favour.  This simply must not be allowed to occur.<br><br>Teksavvy is an example of a successful ISP able to profit without such restrictive limits, and they pay Bell Canada handsomely for the various mechanisms in place to facilitate the connection from end users back to their own networks.<br><br>Bell argues that congestion within it&#146;s own network is the reason for recent measures including Traffic Shaping via DPI, and the new proposed Tariff.  In reality, Bell Canada&#146;s own documention has failed to prove this.  Their network is simply NOT being taxed as they would have Canadians and the CRTC believe.<br><br>The real point of constriction for any ISP is not their internal network, but rather with their connectivity to the Internet itself.  Bell could increase capacity for their own customer base, much as ISPs like Teksavvy have done to match the growth of demand from their subscriber base.  Instead, in an effort to maximize profitability, Bell has opted to stifle growth at all costs by imposing limits first by artificially restricting the flow of data using DPI, and now by placing caps or limits on the transit service they provide to their competitors.<br><br>This is the clearest example of anticompetitive behaviour I have seen in recent years.  Please stand up for Canadian consumers and tell Bell Canada to stop impeding the natural growth and flow of the internet.<br><br>-- SS]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><b>Trisomy21</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  raxs22 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1636962"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I didn't mention technologies such as OnLive or Cloud computing as I'm guessing they might be a bit to tech-centric for the readers, but if you have any future predictions that will be squashed by the 60gb limit be sure to mention them.<br><br>EDIT: Spelling errors<br> </div>You forgot CBC too!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1256676"><b>lester</b></A> : Saw this on Reddit and sent a comment to the CRTC. I also twittered The Hour maybe George Stroumboulopoulos will at least talk about net neutrality if not this specifically.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I've always hated Bell, but nothing makes me more pissed at them than this. It feels like they still think they have a monopoly, and can do whatever the hell they want.<br><br>Screw Bell, I've posted my concerns, and hope this ridiculous proposition isn't passed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : A little late on the email, but kudos for finally sending it out.<br>This has been going on for a while and yet before the deadline we get an email? that doesn't give much time TO ACTUALLY DO something.<br><br>Example how the copyright bill that michael geist did on facebook etc etc we so advance yet it did something, it make people aware. in ADVANCE<br><br>anyway<br><br>-- my short fillng - <br>Hello, Bell is being anti competitive in this measure and wants to control the whole internet in ontario and quebec.  Why should only the major players be allowed to control the internet and what other companies have to offer. IF bell wants to be competitive they should change the way they do business and NOT BE allowed to change the way other companies do business. WHY SHOULD bell be allowed to change how 3rd party ISP'S do business and business is done? <br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540363"><b>gregca</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by get lost hogs :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  davidbrown <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.<br> </div>AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.<br><br> I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates. <br><br>I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.<br><br> Here is my submission.<br><br>I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................<br> </div>I primarily work from home and use a lot of bandwidth doing so - does this mean you would rather have people like me on the roads polluting our environment because Bell has put a cap on our internet usage???]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453683"><b>excaliber</b></A> : Just tried to post a short comment and got:<br>"An error has occurred. If the problem persists, please contact us at  procedure@crtc.gc.ca.<br><br>Thank you."<br><br>I bet Bell manages the servers just like it does for the do not call list :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Very true TSI Gabe<br><br>Its like saying, I won't support money, because Terrorists use money to commit terror.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1579340"><b>davecool</b></A> : Here's what I just sent to the CRTC.<br><br>I am writing today to express my concern over Bell Canada's recent actions in the broadband internet arena. By proposing a tariff on broadband service, Bell Canada seeks to put Canadians of all ages and races at a distinct disadvantage on the world stage.<br><br>The proposed caps are laughably low and do not take into account the growing data throughput required by every-day users. Instead, the caps seek to limit the promise of our digital future and further monetize standard use by regular users.<br><br>The internet is growing and the entry-level data throughput is growing with it. In the past, a user might only send and receive email. However, now, even the most basic user will download songs and videos from iTunes and stream content from their favorite radio station. In doing so, the data caps are reached faster than ever before. These are not excessive users, they are just regular people taking part in their online community.<br><br>I would find the steps which led to this situation quite amusing, if they weren't so worrisome. First, Bell Canada disobeyed a requirement that they offer the same bandwidth tiers at wholesale that they offer at retail. This clearly harms providers who re-sell Bell's last-mile lines, and as such, harms the Canadian consumer in general. Then, seemingly wishing to have their cake and eat it too, Bell chose to seek transfer caps to increase monthly rates and pad their bottom line. Both of these actions are clearly anti-consumer. Frankly, it is quite interesting that these acts have not had more coverage in the media.<br><br>It is also interesting that companies like Google or Amazon can offer data transfer for their cloud platforms at $0.10 per gigabyte, but Bell feels the need to charge many times that should any consumer transfer more than their data cap allows.<br><br>My internet service provider is a company called TekSavvy. They use Bell's last-mile to provide DSL service. This is a company which has earned my trust, respect and loyalty simply by behaving the opposite way that Bell behaves. Their service is excellent and their customer service is friendly and effective. TekSavvy really has my interests at heart.<br><br>I have been aware that Bell was planning a move like this for some time before I heard it mentioned by others online. Bell attempted to threaten me with this when I switched to TekSavvy in August 2008. Despite Bell's scare tactics, I have saved more of my scarce income by using TekSavvy's services. In fact, I was able to obtain the same level of service while lowering my monthly bill by almost half. It certainly would be a shame to have this all disappear because of monopolistic greed.<br><br>It is clear that Bell does not have my best interests, nor the best interests of consumers in general, at heart. It is my hope that the CRTC will help serve the Canadian public, for that is their very mandate.<br><br>Thank you for your time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JunjiHiroma <A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Gabe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Since when downloading a lot means that you automatically a "pirate"?<br> </div>From his point of view yes. It's like those ppl that want Jason Griffith instead of Ryan Drummond (but that's a different story)<br> </div>What does Sonic have to do with TekSavvy?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by get lost hogs :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  davidbrown <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.<br> </div>AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.<br><br> I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates. <br><br>I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.<br><br> Here is my submission.<br><br>I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................<br> </div>Two things,<br><br>1 - This is not about Bandwidth hogs<br><br>2 - When other technologies converge over the internet and you incur an additional $200+ per month in usage over 60GB you will change your tune.<br><br>...this isn't about now as much as the future!<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : _____________________________<br>said by get lost hogs:<br><br>AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.<br><br>I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates.<br><br>I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.<br><br>Here is my submission.<br><br>I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................<br>______________________________<br><br>You must be very loonnnnneeeeelllllllyyyyyyy]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><b>JunjiHiroma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Gabe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Since when downloading a lot means that you automatically a "pirate"?<br> </div>From his point of view yes. It's like those ppl that want Jason Griffith instead of Ryan Drummond (but that's a different story)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1621129"><b>nigrunze</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  giovannip <A HREF="/useremail/u/1627843"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I've also posted the link to my FaceBook account so more people can see what BELL is doing.</div>Same here. I posted a link to this thread in my FaceBook profile status.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><b>TSI Gabe</b></A> : Since when downloading a lot means that you automatically a "pirate"?<br><br>I personally use my connection at home a lot for watching completely legal videos and movies.<br><br>I'm not a gamer but haven't you considered that as well?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1627843"><b>giovannip</b></A> : Done.  I've made my thoughts known.  I've also posted the link to my FaceBook account so more people can see what BELL is doing.  I also encourage everyone to switch to TekSavvy when I get the chance.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  davidbrown <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.<br> </div>AMAZING, someone with some common sense in here.<br><br> I am tired of subsidizing the bandwidth hogs, illegal downloaders and outright piracy advocates. <br><br>I am supporting Bell and sending a mass email out so people I know that are tired of the above mentioned can submit as well.<br><br> Here is my submission.<br><br>I want to state my absolute support of Bell's proposed bandwidth caps..................................]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : It is often said that Canadians sit on their hands when it comes to things like this.  Well this is an opportunity to prove that wrong and to affect change as Rocky states it.  <br><br>Be part of the solution, not the problem!<br><small>--<br>"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/830709"><b>pablo2525</b></A> : Thank you for sending out the e-mail Rocky.  I've submitted my response to the CRTC.<br><br>This is just like voting:  if you don't vote, you relinquish the right to vent!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1369329"><b>Mekong</b></A> : I got mine in. <br>Understand that these companies are becoming Content Gatekeepers in that they control broadcast and on demand services as well as internet access. Unthrottled and unlimited access to the internet is potentially destructive to their revenue streams. <br>With so few players these companies are growing massively in size and have the CRTC in their pocket. <br><br>A few minutes of your time to make your statement known is not going to hurt. What will hurt is when you are billed for every Gig you use and have no recourse. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Fair statement.... But if we stop fighting then it doesn't matter.<br><br>Change always occurs when it is needed.  It is needed now.  It might not come right now, but with being consistent and never stopping to try it will happen!  This is, above all, how the world works.... action-reaction, cause & effect.<br><br>You may not feel changes are occurring right now, but as much as companies like Bell are to try and force their way through, there are others, some nearly or as large that are on the other side needing an alternate verdict.... Don't think for a second that Bell is the only heavy in the Telecoms and don't think for a second that ON/QC isn't being looked at by the other Telcos or large indy ISPs.<br><br>Good business is profitable business and those looking for a quick cash grab, or looking to manipulate things generally get what is coming to them, they always do!  Consumers in the end tell them so, with their pocket books or their voices.<br><br>...this is why Better Business Bureaus, Privacy Commissioner, Competition Bureau, Consumer Rights organizations, etc. exist.  They exist because of "change"!<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><b>Trisomy21</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Ares45 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1503174"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I got two of them.<br><br>I applaud the idea, but this email should have been sent out at least a week before the deadline, not 11 hours before.<br> </div>Agreed. Sad face :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1614170"><b>evildoer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  raxs22 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1636962"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You may find these stations at &raquo;<A HREF="http://watch.ctv.ca" >watch.ctv.ca</A>. </div>whats ironic is bell is one of the major owners of ctv :|]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><b>JunjiHiroma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DjEclipse <A HREF="/useremail/u/1505004"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  JunjiHiroma <A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I tried but it says I exceeded 2000 words,I'll attach a file To them<br> </div>You can break it up into a few parts and sent it ot them<br><br>Just label it 1 of 3, 2 of 3 etc.<br> </div>I just attached it as a file and told CRTC to read the file with my concerns and comments and Used some articles to quote from ,even the Anti-cap legislation quotes. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1636962"><b>raxs22</b></A> : I think it's important for the CRTC to realise the effect this limitation will have on the development of new technologies in the future.  Especially considering the lax limitations in countries outside of north america.  Here's the comment I submitted trying to get them to look at the potential for online television distribution.<br><br><hr><br>The bandwidth limitation proposed by Bell stands to dramatically effect Canada's ability to complete and participate in the emerging internet broadcast standards being developed in the United States and throughout the world.  <br><br>Canadian television networks have invested heavily in their online presence to complete with American networks and draw additional revenue.  These services pose to compete with the television services offered by Bell and should be taken into account when evaluating the restrictions Bell requests to place on our country's network infrastructure.<br><br>Currently the following networks are providing television services directly through an online presence:<br><br>TSN<br>CTV News<br>Business News Network (BNN)<br>Discovery Channel<br>MuchMusic<br>The Comedy Network<br>eTalk<br>Fasion Network<br>MTV<br>STAR!<br>BRAVO!<br><br>You may find these stations at &raquo;<A HREF="http://watch.ctv.ca" >watch.ctv.ca</A>.<br><br>Currently only standard definition video is available on these sites however for high definition support it will consume in the range of 4GB per hour.  <br><br>Statistics Canada finds that an average canadian watches around 22 hours of television per week (&raquo;<A HREF="http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/arts23-eng.htm" >www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/arts23-eng.htm</A>).  The proposed bandwidth cap of 60GB that would mean the maximum amount of HD television available through online services would be only 3.75hours per week, thus effectively disabling any online competition that would threaten to take customers Bell's television service.<br><br><hr><br><br>I didn't mention technologies such as OnLive or Cloud computing as I'm guessing they might be a bit to tech-centric for the readers, but if you have any future predictions that will be squashed by the 60gb limit be sure to mention them.<br><br>EDIT: Spelling errors]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Again, this follows the Cybersurf decision... which was pro-consumer....<br> </div>Iam all for the public winning but that is sort of a lackluster win.<br><br>We either likely get a tariff or bell gets to appeal it and the decision is over turned.<br><br>Even when we win with the crtc is always seems to have a big butt attached too it.<br><br>Or the old saying is all believe it when we actually see the faster speeds.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/918899"><b>TheZodiac</b></A> : Comments sent.  Teksavvy Forever!!!!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1505004"><b>DjEclipse</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JunjiHiroma <A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I tried but it says I exceeded 2000 words,I'll attach a file To them<br> </div>You can break it up into a few parts and sent it ot them<br><br>Just label it 1 of 3, 2 of 3 etc.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1505364"><b>chromiumdr</b></A> : Sent comment.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1505004"><b>DjEclipse</b></A> : Here is my reply.<br><br>I ahd to break it up into 3 parts as they have a 2000 character limit.  It is kind of rambling, but I don't have time to go over it and edit.<br><br>For those that go voer 2000 characters, you can break it up, post your part and hit back until you get to the initial text box.  It saves time having to type the subject header etc.<br><br>Here is my reply.<br><br>"It should be illegal that Bell is trying to impose on all of it's competition (wholesale customers) caps like this, actually I believe it is illegal, it's called anti-compete practises and should not be allowed to happen.<br><br>For Bell to try and impose 60gig caps on it's whole sale customers is dirty cheap, and must not be allowed to happen. <br><br>In this day and age where technology is rapidly advancing, files, websites, streaming video etc. is getting bigger and bigger, how dare Bell force customers to a cap of ONLY 60 gig!  For most customers 60 gig is nothing, and in the near future as websites and the internet evolves the 60 gig limit will be surpassed simply by visiting a few websites and watching youtube.  This will only end up taking more money form the pockets of Canadians, especially in a time like this where people are loosing their jobs and money is tight.  Bell now wants to take even more money from the Canadian public?  <br><br>If Bell wants to force 60 gig caps on it's own customers that is fine.  But Canadians need to have a choice; Bell needs competition as they clearly only care about offering the customer less and charging them more.  Bell should NOT be allowed to force 60 gig caps on it's wholesale customers, the customers should have a choice.<br><br>There are many whole sale ISP&#146;s that offer better prices and a true free internet, free from ridiculous caps and restrictions.  It is these ISP&#146;s that bell is trying to shut down by forcing the same caps on them as they do their own customers.   If this is to be allowed what choice do Canadians have?  These anti compete practises leaves other ISP&#146;s to simply be mirrors of Bell, offering no alternative as they have had these ridiculous restrictions and caps forced on them&#133;&#133;<br><br>The wholesale ISP&#146;s have already paid for the bandwidth, how dare bell try and charge them for it a second time by imposing these caps!   Bells entire copper infrastructure was paid for by the government years ago, now Bell seems to think they own it and can literally rape Canadians by doing things such as this.<br><br>Bell should invest in it's own infrastructure instead of spending millions on ways to restrict the internet.<br><br>IN this day and age we should be able to have much higher speeds, no caps for a reasonable price.  Instead, because of Bell we are going backwards, to the point where Canada is falling behind even third world countries as far as internet goes.<br><br>It is extremely clear that Bell's true motives is to stop the internet form competing with their Satellite TV service.  <br><br>Television as we know it is OLD.  It is no longer a viable way of delivering content to us.  bell knows this and knows the internet is the future of how Canadians and the rest of the world will get their content.  Streaming video, directly from the network instead of paying ridiculously high prices for satellite TV with horrible options and time schedule.<br><br>Bell wants to control all our media, and content, first by shutting down the internet as a viable solution.  The throttling and now the Caps is bells way of stifling innovation of the internet.<br><br>In a time like this Canadians should be embracing the internet as a new technology; instead Bell is trying trying to remove it as a source of content so they can once again be in control of all our content.  This MUST NOT HAPPEN, Bell must be stopped.<br><br>IF the CRTC allows this total attack on Canadian citizens, one has to question if the CRTC should even exist.  <br><br>The job of the CRTC is to be on the side of Canadians, so that companies like bell aren&#146;t allowed to come in and take over a medium such as the internet.  And that is exactly what bell is trying to do.<br><br>If the CRTC allows Bell to force these caps on Wholesale, they are not looking out for the best interests of Canadians, they are nothing more then a tool for content providers such as bell, and should be abolished.<br><br>So once again, the public is not as ignorant as you may think.  We all see the bigger picture here, word is spreading.  Do not let these proposed caps be allowed.<br><br>There is absolutely no reason why Canadians should (and currently are) be able to pay $30.00/ month for 5meg highspeed internet with no caps, or at least a reasonable cap of 200gig.  with the option of unlimited, uncapped service for a few dollars more.  <br><br>Why in a time like this when money is tight for everyone should we even have to worry about getting anything less than the above and having to pay more for it.<br><br>Thank you"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><b>JunjiHiroma</b></A> : I tried but it says I exceeded 2000 words,I'll attach a file To them]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Again, this follows the Cybersurf decision... which was pro-consumer....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : I applaud the effort but this is totally useless.<br><br>The crtc has already decided on this and as expected its not for the people.<br>Doesn't take much to see they are just going through the motions of looking like they actually care.<br><br>Does anyone think for a moment that they would open a discussion on does this foster competition?<br><br>Anyone idiot in business knows that more competition creates more innovation but seemingly the crtc has forgotten this.<br>Thats rather odd since every one in the crtc has been in big business in some for or another.<br><br>Barring something big happening in the public eye the decision has already been made.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1450917"><b>dre145</b></A> : I sent in my comment, although shity it was sent in.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1543690"><b>agaver</b></A> : Hi, <br>Thanks for the email, I've sent my thoughts to them and also shared it among my colleagues...<br>Thanks Rocky]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1211118"><b>MATA7</b></A> : just send my comments]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1614170"><b>evildoer</b></A> : thank you very much for the email rocky. ive submitted my comments to them.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1544438"><b>BobJonkman</b></A> : Here's mine:<br><br>I want to state my opposition to Bell's proposed bandwidth caps, Usage Based Billing and also its Deep Packet Inspection and throttling of selective Internet services. <br><br>I am not a Bell customer, precisely because of Bell's regressive bandwidth and connection policies. Allowing Bell to impose its policies on Internet users that are not its customers sets a very bad precedent. <br><br>At one time Canada was considered a leader in  Communications technology, but over the last few year its ranking has steadily slipped. Allowing Bell's regressive policies will put Canada still further behind. <br><br>Bell must not be allowed to use its position as a monopoly provider of last-mile connectivity to usurp the service agreements between third-party DSL wholesalers and Internet users. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1562232"><b>bgw</b></A> : Will be writing tonight.  <br><br>Scary how Bell is trying to ruin by children's entertainment, isolate me from my family and friends in foreign places, and ruin my internet based start-up.  How much damage can these guys do in one shot?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : This particular case is a little different as it comes off of the Cybersurf decision where Bell was told to file matching speeds.  They took this opportunity to try and change the CRTC request and not only not listen to them but also try and push for a change in format.<br><br>If anything the CRTC have a much higher likelihood of siding with the good guys on this one.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1606481"><b>Mango</b></A> : Comment sent.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  18526190 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1610159"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Right now the CRTC is wondering what the hell is going on with all the last min submissions.<br> </div>you mean like Bell, who even post after the deadline?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1403785"><b>Wings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  18526190 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1610159"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Why would you need to recable your home?  Unplug ethernet from cogeco modem, plug in ethernet to DSL modem. Poof DONE.<br> </div>Two workstations need to be LAN wired, so I wanted the modem/router to be in that location, which had no phone outlet. Also the previous owner had used the wrong cable in some locations and wired a lot of thing improperly.  It worked for phone, but not good enough for DSL. So next time ask before you open your wise guy mouth.<br><br>Btw guys, I just checked with family in the Netherlands; they have a <b>20mbit DSL with a cap of 350GB for $50 with free modem</b>.  Man, this whole internet in Canada is so fucked up that it isn't even funny anymore...sigh.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  18526190 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1610159"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Right now the CRTC is wondering what the hell is going on with all the last min submissions.<br> </div>Roflmao   :D<br><br>Wouldn't be surprised if we fried the disk on their server.<br><br><small>--<br>"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547832"><b>El Quintron</b></A> : Meh, I keep getting errors I'll try from home in about ten mins when I'm on lunch.<br><small>--<br>Working to bring you closer to a Bell and Rogers free household.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1553227"><b>lyth</b></A> : Thank you, Rocky, for finally notifying your customers about some of Bell's shenanigans.  I feel so overwhelmed by the constant tides of bad news from them that I'd all but given up on fighting.  But knowing that you care enough to get your customers involved gave me a burst of energy and I submitted a comment to the CRTC.<br><br>Here's my submission:<br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>I think that Bell Canada's proposal for usage based billing is absolutely ridiculous.<br><br>First of all, the tariff change is supposed to be for matching speeds, not usage limits.  The fact that Bell completely ignored this point shows contempt to the CRTC and to due process.<br><br>Secondly, there is absolutely no reason for Bell Canada to implement usage based billing other than as a punitive measure against competitors.  <br><br>Why would this be a punitive measure??  Because the amount of bandwidth that flows through the last mile connections has absolutely no correlation with the costs of maintaining this infrastructure.  The amount the wholesale ISPs pay to Bell as a part of the tariff already covers the cost of maintaining the final mile infrastructure. <br><br>Canada is already lagging behind the rest of the developed world and a large part of the developing world when it comes to internet connectivity.  What Bell is proposing would set Canada back even further.  It's not a matter of being the laughing stock of the connected world - we already are.  It's a matter of becoming a technological pariah that is incapable of competing with any other nation, except on the most basic level.<br><br>Your decision against Bell's proposal for usage based billing is a necessary first step in creating a Canada that is able to compete on the national stage as a serious player.<br><br>Thank you for your consideration<hr></blockquote><br><br>Edit: I still haven't received a confirmation email.  How long does it take before they send one out?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511578"><b>MissM</b></A> : Thanks for the heads-up Rocky!  My comments submitted:<br><br>Type of Application:<br>Tariff<br><br>Subject:<br>File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181<br><br>Comments:<br>I am particularly disturbed by this latest turn of events with Bell seeking to force usage based billing on wholesaler isps and their customers. As I recall, the "last mile" of equipment and wiring, as well as all wiring across Canada, was paid for by the tax payers of Canada when Bell Canada was the sole provider of telephone equipment and in effect, a monopoly. They then somehow managed to maintain ownership of ALL the equipment when they were no longer able to operate as a monopoly. Weren't they forced to allow independent wholesalers to pay for the use of that same equipment to allow the citizenry of Canada the freedom to choose their telephone and (later) internet provider? This latest move of Bell's is a blatant attempt to force themselves back into a monopoly and is obviously an act of anti-competition. By forcing all wholesalers to charge the same prices as Bell charges is, in effect, wiping out the competition and removing freedom of choice from the consumers of Canada. If I choose a wholesaler rather than Bell, that choice should be honoured and respected. I should not be forced to pay Bell's rates when I chose their competition in order to pay better rates than Bell is offering. Bell should not be allowed to force their billing practices on other companies and, in effect, run their competition out of business using the CRTC to supply their weapon of choice. I strongly urge the CRTC to reject Bell's application and force them to provide matching speeds to isps who wholesale that last mile service allowing isp wholesalers (and their customers!) to have more flexibility in day to day online requirements as directed by the CRTC previously. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : No_DPI then it was never submitted and you will need to submitted once again, or try to make it shorter.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/620986"><b>DR_JAY</b></A> : I just made a comment; however I am very pessimistic that this will make any difference with CRTC's biased decision making towards Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167100"><b>AkFubar</b></A> : Posted my comment..<br>----------------------------<br><br>I am writing to you today to voice my concern with regards to the proposed Tariff that Bell Canada has submitted to the CRTC.<br><br>Bell provides my ISP with last mile (wholesale DSL access services, which my ISP uses to provide Internet access to me). If Bell were to be allowed to introduce Usage Based Billing on this service, a cap of 60GB would be imposed on me and all other users, with very heavy penalties per Gigabyte over that limit. This would inherently all but remove unlimited internet services in Ontario/Quebec and potentially cause large increases in internet costs to ISPs and users from month to month.  Second, this would virtually eliminate any differentiation between internet service providers and eliminate choice of service and pricing to Canadians.<br><br>The Tariff proposed by Bell, besides being predatory and anticompetitive, will be extremely restrictive to Canadians who have come to rely on the internet as a cost effective source of information and entertainment.<br><br>I therefore appeal to the CRTC to deny this proposed tariff and exercise a fundamental principle of its mandate (&#147;to allow competition, not regulations, to drive the market&#148;).<br><br>Thank you for the opportunity to voice my view on this important issue.<br>---------------------------<br><small>--<br>"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : The CRTC form only allows comments of under 2000 characters. Mine was over that so I had to submit it as an attachment. When I did the site came back with an error and gave me no confirmation that my submission was received.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : I made my comment.  After the throttling campaign, I don't have high hopes it will change UBB becoming a reality.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1610159"><b>18526190</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Wings <A HREF="/useremail/u/1403785"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I wish you would have warned of this on your site before I ordered one of your packages days ago. I never knew about this issue, now I have deal with a 4 times slower connection (which I was willing to live with with the higher cap) and spent over $100 on modem, splitters and recabling my home. <br><br>All you seem to care about is getting new customers. You must have laughed your ass off seeing all those Cogeco customers switching over to your company like me who didn't know  about the issue...sigh. Sorry, but me and my wife are both pissed off!<br> </div>There is nothing to warning about. This is all may/could/might happen<br><br>You can always go back to cogeco.<br><br>Why would you need to recable your home?  Unplug ethernet from cogeco modem, plug in ethernet to DSL modem. Poof DONE.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1568256"><b>penguin318</b></A> : Not that it will make a difference, but I submitted my comments, being stuck on dial-up its hard for me to feel your pain but I really do hope the CRTC can remove its head from its ass and stop the B.S. Bell is trying.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1408066"><b>micheldc</b></A> : Comment sent...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : this will be a huge blow to all third party ISP's trying to compete in any market if UBB is allowed.. It'll take them years just to recover :/]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1545973"><b>Robrr</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Wings <A HREF="/useremail/u/1403785"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I wish you would have warned of this on your site before I ordered one of your packages days ago. I never knew about this issue, now I have deal with a 4 times slower connection (which I was willing to live with with the higher cap) and spent over $100 on modem, splitters and recabling my home. <br><br>All you seem to care about is getting new customers. You must have laughed your ass off seeing all those Cogeco customers switching over to your company like me who didn't know  about the issue...sigh. Sorry, but me and my wife are both pissed off!<br> </div>Nothing with regards to this issue is currently definitive. There is every possibility that this tariff will not be accepted and everything will remain the status quo.<br><br>Even if this tariff does pass, don't expect the changes overnight.<br><br>For now I would suggest just simply continue to using your service as you would normally and then adjust if/when any changes are made. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Wings <A HREF="/useremail/u/1403785"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I wish Teksavvy would have warned of this on your site before I ordered one of their packages days ago. I never knew about this issue, now I have deal with a 4 times slower connection (which I was willing to live with with the higher cap) and spent over $100 on modem, splitters and recabling my home. <br><br>All you care about is getting new customers. You must have laughed your ass off seeing all those Cogeco customers switching over to your company like me who didn't know  about the issue...sigh. Sorry, but me and my wife are both pissed off!<br> </div>Pardon, but how is this Teksavvy's fault this hasn't even been approved yet. They are fighting for you the end user to get a fair bill. Have you been billed $100+ for a internet bill you currently pay probably 30 - 40 for /mo... The answer is NO. They want to ensure they can continue to offer you the same great competitive service they currently do period.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1403785"><b>Wings</b></A> : I wish you would have warned of this on your site before I ordered one of your packages days ago. I never knew about this issue, now I have deal with a 4 times slower connection (which I was willing to live with with the higher cap) and spent over $100 on modem, splitters and recabling my home. <br><br>All you seem to care about is getting new customers. You must have laughed your ass off seeing all those Cogeco customers switching over to your company like me who didn't know  about the issue...sigh. Sorry, but me and my wife are both pissed off!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/789624"><b>Dampier</b></A> : If folks want to drop their replies/example letters in the comment section on stopthecap.com's article on this, it might help anyone else looking for the right words.  We are adding coverage of this story this afternoon.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://stopthecap.com/2009/04/14/canada-call-to-action-bell-canada-petition-would-limit-competitive-internet-access-in-ontario-quebec/" >stopthecap.com/2009/04/14/canada&middot;&middot;&middot;-quebec/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : This is what I wrote<br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>I would like to write in opposition to Bell's filing TN 7181. It's a blatant attempt to stifle whatever little competition remains in Canadian Internet market.<br><br>Bell wishes to cap wholesale ISP's at 60GB and does not want to allow higher speeds (ADSL2+), while their own retail service has speeds up to 16mbps, and the wholesale end is stuck with an archaic 5mbps.<br><br>By allowing Bell to cap wholesale to 60GB, it will create an advantage for Bell, because their cap limits will not be regulated and they can raise them at any time, therefore putting wholesalers at an even greater disadvantage. Bell already offers 10mbps/100GB tiers. How is that not anti-competitive if all that wholesale ISP's are allowed to offer is 5mbps/60GB?<br><br>I ask the Commission to recognize this would be a fatal blow to the competition in the Internet market and deny Bell's request, and also Bell should be forced to implement a FAIR tariff to allow the wholesale ISP's to access its ADSL2+ network so they may fairly compete with Bell's retail sector.<br><br>Thank you.<hr></blockquote><br><small>--<br>GOLF LEAFS GOLF!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Here's my reply. <br><br>Subject: <br>File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell <br><br>Comments: <br>Bell's request to implement Usage Based Billing will increase the cost of Internet usage for customers who use more than 60GB download/upload per month on Ontarians. I use more than this per month as my wife and I are heavy internet users that watch videos and listen to music online. Bell is "stifling" the Internet by imposing caps. There's no reasonable alternative given Cogeco, our local cable provider, does not provide service for more than 100GB. As a residential customer, I feel I should have the right to more bandwidth, especially Unlimited bandwidth if my wholesale provider is providing the service. Teksavvy is my provider and leases the last mile connection. Bell should have no right to limit the last mile connection to households if there's reasonable alternative access for wholesalers to provide service. Furthermore, wholesale providers such as Teksavvy purchase wholesale bandwidth from non-Bell providers that provide the connection neccessary to interface with other peers on the Internet. I believe caps should exist at the peer inferface level imposed by the wholesale provider, but not at the last mile connection. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Done.  My Comments<br>--------------------------------------------------------------<br>I am finding that competition in Toronto is a joke.  We as the consumer don't have many options for Internet Services.   We have either Rogers, Bell or a flavour of Bell DSL services (Teksavvy, Primus, etc). <br><br>By permitting Bell to charge Usage Based Billing, this will effectively reduce our options down to two;  Bell or Rogers.<br>The small "mom and pop" operations / wholesalers can't compete when the CRTC allows Bell and Rogers to slowly diminish the service offerings of the competitors. <br> <br>It used to be that wholesalers were able to compete on Speed, Price, Quality (uptime), and bandwidth caps.   Over the years, all the competitive advantages wholesalers had, have diminished.  We can no longer use P2P,  as we are being throttled.   Speeds on protocols such as HTTP and FTP (standard protocols for browsing) are also being throttled &#150; therefore wholesalers cannot compete on Speed / Throughput.   As for Price, there is very little difference - Bell and Rogers charge about the same for services they advertise up to 6Mbps and 8Mbps respectively.    I am not sure if wholesalers have large margins, however considering all services in Toronto are priced at the same price point, from the consumer perspective, there really is no option.  We have to pay 45.00.<br><br>As for Quality and bandwidth caps, there are differences in today&#146;s market, however if the CRTC allows Usage Based Billing, those competitive advantages wholesalers have, will certainly go the way of the Dodo Bird.  Introducing UBB will level the playing field and do to the sheer size and resources of the incumbents, wholesalers do not stand a chance.<br><br>If Usage Based Billing is passed, please specify that Rogers and Bell CANNOT change their wholesaler model .  I say let Bell and Rogers charge UBB, however don&#146;t force it upon the wholesalers &#150; as this may be the last option that differentiates them from the incumbents.<br>----------------------------------------------]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1545973"><b>Robrr</b></A> : This is what I am submitting to the CRTC. I havent sent it yet so if you have any suggestions please let me know:<br><div class="bquote">To Whom It May Concern<br><br>Re: File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 &#150; Bell Canada - TN 7181<br><br>    I am writing to you today to voice my concern with regards to the proposed Tariff that Bell Canada has submitted to the CRTC.<br><br>    I have read over the proposed tariff that Bell Canada has submitted to you and I feel that this tariff will unjustly affect all Wholesale Internet Service Providers as they will be forced to offer the exact same service as Bell Canada&#146;s own Internet Service thereby removing the little bit of competition that remains in the DSL Internet Service Provider marketplace.<br>    <br>The proposed tariffs requirements to remove all unlimited usage accounts as well as the need to impose 60 Gigabyte caps on every account would eliminate any form of competition in the DSL Internet marketplace. As such the consumer would not be able to identify any difference in the service of a Wholesale Internet Service Provider and the service of Bell Canada&#146;s own Internet Service. <br><br>    The lack of ability for the consumer to distinguish any difference between the services offered would ultimately mean an end to all Wholesale DSL Internet Service Providers as they would not be able to distinguish themselves from Bell Canada&#146;s Internet Service.<br>    <br>    As such, I request that the CRTC does not accept the tariff that Bell Canada has submitted to you so that competition in the DSL Internet Service Provider marketplace can continue to grow and offer consumers the best possible service and the best possible price.<br><br>Regards,  <br><br></div>  <br><br>edit: I found an error in it while proof reading it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><b>Etheric</b></A> : Comment submitted.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/764745"><b>TFArchive</b></A> : All we really want the CRTC to do is look at the 'evidence' and make a decision that is best for everyone in Bell teritory.<br><br>Here is what I sent in:<br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>What Bell is trying to do is cut out all resellers who add extra value by adding more bandwidth and services. If they are allowed to charge unlimited amounts of money for traffic which costs them nothing then they will put all of these 3rd party ISPs out of business which would be anti-competitive and monopolistic. <br><br>Bell needs to be honest and provide these ISPs with the access they already pay for. If Bell's internal network cannot handle the load then they should upgrade it with the money they get every month from these ISPs. <br><br>I also wonder if Bell's own Sympatico service will be subject to these fees of if they will write them off internally. If they hide the fees then they violating the law and the spirit of the CRTCs rulings. <br><br>I implore you to look at the evidence and talk to some of these 3rd party ISPs to find out what is really going on. <br>Thanks very much<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1628674"><b>Gerryw</b></A> : Comment made.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I got it, and this is what I submitted:<br><br>I do not support what Bell is proposing, I believe it's anti-competitive and in poor spirit for them to try and control the entire internet industry in Canada. <br><br>Canada was once deemed the leader in broadband penetration and coverage on the entire planet, now, because of Bell's reluctance to change with the times and advance technologies, Canada has been thrust out of the top 10 and we trail far behind many developing countries! <br><br>I don't understand how our government can be so blind as to allow bell to walk all over them, and when the other major countries on this planet have TRUE broadband access (by the likes of things such as FiOS), Canada is left in the dust. If bell is allowed to introduced UBB, it will only further hinder Canada's place in the global online market. <br><br>I urge our government to finally take a stand and stop bell from running the CRTC. The throttling argument was bullied into submission because of Bell, and now I fear that this will destroy any notion of net neutrality that Canada could ever hope to achieve.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Yeah seriously, why was this just sent today and not well in advance?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : There are many other things on the go right now and the UBB one is one of many others that are happening at the same time.<br><br>We weren't going to send one as its one of those potentially "confusing" emails.... but we opted to do it anyway this morning.<br><br>I think the timing we currently have will help sufficiently to get the point across, but lets not waste it discussing timing debates.<br><br>Lets use this opportunity to make our thoughts known on this.<br><br>Edit: typo<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453332"><b>codecx</b></A> : Ahh.. anyone have a template I can follow or copy/paste?<br><br>I'm super swamped today.. no time to make my opinion known, unless someone else wants to voice it for me and I can copy/paste lol<br><br>Like all of you.. I don't like it, bad idea.. yadda yadda.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1503174"><b>Ares45</b></A> : I got two of them.<br><br>I applaud the idea, but this email should have been sent out at least a week before the deadline, not 11 hours before.]]></description>
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<title>Re: FYI: Email sent to clients about Usage Based Billing....</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1610159"><b>18526190</b></A> : I just got it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:56:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Dear Valued Customer,<br><br>We are writing to you today as many activities are underway to shape/reshape Internet use as you all know it. Over the last year some of you have been made aware and/or have seen activities on throttling in the news or in your daily lives. Another proceeding relating to the Internet in Canada required Telecom providers (Bell/Telus/etc.) to provide ISPs with wholesale service speeds that match those that they offer to their own retail customers.<br>Specifically, Bell has been directed by the CRTC to provide matching speeds which would allow us all to have more flexibility in our day to day online requirements. Instead of adhering to these directives, Bell decided to take this issue to the federal Cabinet and at the same time file a tariff application with the CRTC proposing to introduce Usage Based Billing (UBB) on its wholesale customer accounts.<br><br>What does this mean for you, the consumer?<br><br>Bell provides TekSavvy with last mile, wholesale DSL access services, which TekSavvy uses to provide you with your Internet access. If Bell were to be allowed to introduce UBB on this service, a cap of 60GB would be imposed on all of its users, with very heavy penalties per Gigabyte afterwards (multiple times more than our current per Gigabyte rate of $0.25/GB on overages). This would inherently all but remove Unlimited internet services in Ontario/Quebec and potentially cause large increases in internet costs from month to month.<br><br>If you'd like to make your comments/concerns known about what Bell is attempting to do, please do so here:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://support.crtc.gc.ca/crtcsubmissionmu/forms/Telecom.aspx?lang=e" >support.crtc.gc.ca/crtcsubmissio&middot;&middot;&middot;x?lang=e</A><br><br>Select the word "Tariff" from the drop down list.<br><br>Add the following in Subject Line "File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181" and make your thoughts known!<br><br>The deadline for filing your comments is today at midnight, so hurry!<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:55:21 EDT</pubDate>
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