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Re: WoWMatrix is Out of Action They're already getting backlash from users for the java and flash requirements and such. If you want to do something constructive to help WoWMatrix go complain that you don't trust flash and jscript and find it crippling to you as a manual addon update person.. 
I also have ~150 addons. DIAF if you think that's excessive, they're situational and very useful to me. I'm a tinkerer and have even dabbled in LUA myself, addressing bugs or exposing data that I want to see from existing addons. Used to use wowace, got forced into wowmatrix when curse bought Ace.
Curse and WoWI are bitching they aren't making enough money from ads. Most 'techie' users that do use a lot of addons (and therefor a lot of bandwidth) use AdBlock or other methods to filter the ads anyway. We'll actually use *more* bandwidth in the long run now still with ZERO ad revenue. They're being f'in greedy. There's plenty of services out there to mirror files without having to invest a lot of dough, and if they stepped off of their high horse for 10 minutes I'm sure they could even cut a nice deal with WoWMatrix to share profits or otherwise.
We like WoWMatrix because it takes a lot of the BULLSHIT work out of addon updating/version checking.
I've seen a beta set of scripts to screen-scrape and do other nasty things to emulate WoWMatrix's functionality, and I fully expect the community to find a way around their new draconian stance if they don't either back off or provide a similar multi-site updater that actually works cross-platform as well.
My big question is: If the WoWMatrix folks can write an app to do it, and do it well, why can't curse and WoWI take some time away from their between the sheets love affair of late, and create a similiar app that shows their own ads instead??? It's not that f'in hard. Especially being the repo of choice from the authors they're in the best position to roll that out. Direct access to the addon databases, fast and efficient version checking, hell they could even do bit-level patching to really conserve bandwidth - Imagine that! Not that I'd trust either of them much between past issues with malicious code from their ads/updaters and their attitude throughout their WoWMatrix "problem" personally, but hey it's a better alternative.
TL;DR Version: The users want WAU/WoWMatrix/etc style updating. We have made that clear. Don't bitch when you aren't delivering the product in demand and people step all over you...
/soapbox
Edit: Small typo, small clarification
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 MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
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| Their problem with wowmatrix was they stripped out author info, having written addons I find that offensive thanks. It can diaf.
Hmm...WAU updating? Dunno looks pretty close to me. Oh I find the lack of ads...uh..wait what? The problem is people stripping out ads from the website not the updater fyi. |
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techjoePremium
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MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
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Woodstock, ON | Any developer worth their salt from the start of a project would give credit, if they're not they're willing to do it again because it's expedient or they don't care. That makes them highly suspect and dubious at best. |
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techjoePremium
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| Point taken. I'm really not sure how long they operated without the author info, but it went up really fast when WAU was cut off and people flocked there - myself included.
My biggest problem is the addon repo's being so split. You, as authors, should support one common repo and all this would go away. I was going to try the newest Curse client to compare how many addons are available via it, but alas it requires a curse login and I'm not creating one at this moment. Curse's client asked me for money before I even knew I *had* to have a curse.com account to test it out. Talk about a turn-off...
If we had a single repo to pull from, and you authors to upload to, a single site client would be sweet. Site operating costs would be easier to manage too as anyone worth their salt (or pepper) in IT knows server/service consolidation typically has a huge ROI.
It's probably for the better for WoWI and Curse's business plans to fail, then a new repo could rise from the ashes and have at least the majority of addon updates. My usual suspects are so split that about 5 out of 12 out of date pulled updates today with WoWMatrix - Meaning they aren't even on either of the two sites!!
It sucks that the authors are at the mercy of all this crap, it really does, but I really can't support Curse or WoWI myself. Aside from potential money for your addon development, assuming their revenue sharing stuff works out, I can't see why the authors support either of the two aside from lack of alternatives.
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MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
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| Personally I liked working much more off the ACE framework than anything. So, my addons went into the ace depository until I felt that they were release ready(curse) usually. With the new development system, the old beta/trunk system on wowace is dead, so you can get the full alpha>release versions off curse. That really only leaves two valid sites for all releases.
Curse or WoWI, I don't mind either and it comes down to a personal preference. However most developers have split things down into two things. If it's ace based you'll find it on Curse, if it's anything else it's on WoWI. If it's really popular, it's on both. It takes 10 seconds to setup an account and get yourself set to mirror.
Now the whole dual cost, etc thing I can see there being an issue with and really I see curse working much better as a development system since I was able to tag everything in the development/release stages as I wanted. Anywhere else I couldn't per se. Anyway, I never charged anything for my stuff, and I've abandoned everything to the community since I've defacto quit but I've updated everything for 3.1. If there's a minor bug or whatever I'll fix it but since I don't have time to play then there's not much of a point in continuing my addons.
Plus, I know if what I was writing was popular in any form, someone will pick it up from the abandonware point and start development on it again. |
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Der_Idiot
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Norwood Young America, MN | I could care less who writes the addon, I just want it updated and working.
How many people do you really think read all that info? A good portion probably just download, extract, and run it.  |
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MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
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| said by Der_Idiot:I could care less who writes the addon, I just want it updated and working. How many people do you really think read all that info? A good portion probably just download, extract, and run it. Gee, I wonder why you wouldn't want to know why someone writes an addon. When there are 5 or 6 addons that are named exactly the same thing. Or how about those 25 extensions for X-addon? No? Oh...right.
On top of that, you might just maybe consider that people who do this free of charge, want a small bit of recognition for their time and effort. No, really? It's not that difficult to grasp now is it. |
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