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| | What do people expect? Seriously?
I have a G1 and I found a post on a cell phone board asking if someone would develop an app to run Bit Torrent on his phone so he could download stuff. WTF?!?!?!?!
If think they are going to get the same connection from a 3G network they get from their home cable connections, then they are going to be in for a rude surprise. | |
|  | | Re: What do people expect? They probably expect to be able to use their phones as they were advertised. What if, to help protect their network, AT&T decided the Youtube application should be banned? Last.fm? Pandora? Certain RSS readers? Getting an iPhone meant you could get the "real" internet on your phone (the words of the commercials, not mine). If AT&T starts saying they won't allow certain aspects of the internet, then people are not getting the product and service they paid for. | |
| | | | Re: What do people expect? said by MightyPez:They probably expect to be able to use their phones as they were advertised. What if, to help protect their network, AT&T decided the Youtube application should be banned? Last.fm? Pandora? Certain RSS readers? Getting an iPhone meant you could get the "real" internet on your phone (the words of the commercials, not mine). If AT&T starts saying they won't allow certain aspects of the internet, then people are not getting the product and service they paid for. I agree it should be stated a lot more clearly but to say you should be able to stream video and run Bit Torrent along with other programs that gobble up bandwidth is a little much to ask out of a mobile phone. | |
| | | | | Re: What do people expect? said by moonpuppy:I agree it should be stated a lot more clearly but to say you should be able to stream video and run Bit Torrent along with other programs that gobble up bandwidth is a little much to ask out of a mobile phone. Why? AT&T states clearly that there is a 5gb usage cap on the service. If I want to use my 5gb downloading e-mails or streaming TV, what is the difference? | |
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Ashburn, VA | If you want to parse text on your iPhone, there's an app for that...anything else might not be allowed.  | |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by moonpuppy:Seriously? I have a G1 and I found a post on a cell phone board asking if someone would develop an app to run Bit Torrent on his phone so he could download stuff. WTF?!?!?!?! If think they are going to get the same connection from a 3G network they get from their home cable connections, then they are going to be in for a rude surprise. I have to agree with you. I see posts from jackasses who either run Bitorrent on their iPhone natively (via jailbroken apps) or tether their phone and run it. I want to punch them in the face.  | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: What do people expect? said by Matt:said by moonpuppy:Seriously? I have a G1 and I found a post on a cell phone board asking if someone would develop an app to run Bit Torrent on his phone so he could download stuff. WTF?!?!?!?! If think they are going to get the same connection from a 3G network they get from their home cable connections, then they are going to be in for a rude surprise. I have to agree with you. I see posts from jackasses who either run Bitorrent on their iPhone natively (via jailbroken apps) or tether their phone and run it. I want to punch them in the face. This whole "save our bandwidth" issue reminds me of the time when AOL went unlimited back in the dial-up days. IF people could even connect, once they did they never disconnected and prevented others from getting online. I often wonder if it's not the "hogs" that are going to be the driving force that makes our future internet experience more robust and improved? While not overnight, although relatively close, when they give customers the bandwidth and speed, we make good use of it. More importantly, when enough customers have these improvements, enterprising new developments quickly follow. | |
| | | | | Re: What do people expect? said by jmn1207:This whole "save our bandwidth" issue reminds me of the time when AOL went unlimited back in the dial-up days. IF people could even connect, once they did they never disconnected and prevented others from getting online. I often wonder if it's not the "hogs" that are going to be the driving force that makes our future internet experience more robust and improved? While not overnight, although relatively close, when they give customers the bandwidth and speed, we make good use of it. More importantly, when enough customers have these improvements, enterprising new developments quickly follow. And AOL had the exact same issue where people would log on and stay there. They wanted a permanent connection on dial up (since high speed was barely around.)
The problem is that you have a finite amount of phone lines and once those are used up, that's it.
With 3G service, you are sharing a radio link that is subject not only to congestion but interference. There is only so much traffic a single site can handle and to expand that would require a lot more cell towers in close proximity to each other. If that happens, you have another issue with phones switching sites constantly.
Unless you want to build a ton of micro cells, you will not have the data capacity to keep up with demand especially in a tech savvy city (like New York.) | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: What do people expect? I think you missed the point of my comparison. We need more and more "abusers" to drive the changes in technology, whether this is people using tricks to fool AOL to keep them connected overnight with their dial-up or someone streaming tons of content to their smartphone. I'm not suggesting that we build a thousand more cell towers in every county/parish. If we ever hope to get passed the current limitations imposed by existing technologies, some people need to push through the boundaries or we will NEVER get there, especially if we simply cater to the whims of the providers' wishes.
It's a temporary solution, at best, to put in place strict usage limits. I'm really talking about several years down the road, but if we all just give in and let the corporations dictate and tightly regulate every aspect of our wireless experience, what we have now is the best we can ever hope to achieve. | |
| | | | | | | Re: What do people expect? said by jmn1207:I think you missed the point of my comparison. We need more and more "abusers" to drive the changes in technology, whether this is people using tricks to fool AOL to keep them connected overnight with their dial-up or someone streaming tons of content to their smartphone. I'm not suggesting that we build a thousand more cell towers in every county/parish. If we ever hope to get passed the current limitations imposed by existing technologies, some people need to push through the boundaries or we will NEVER get there, especially if we simply cater to the whims of the providers' wishes. It's a temporary solution, at best, to put in place strict usage limits. I'm really talking about several years down the road, but if we all just give in and let the corporations dictate and tightly regulate every aspect of our wireless experience, what we have now is the best we can ever hope to achieve. If you want to use the AOL model, then you have to see t for what it was.
AOL, Compuserve and Delphi used to sell their services by the minute. Different speeds and different applications had different prices. Then, some local ISPs got the idea to not only hook people up to the internet but to ditch the per minute charges. That's all fine and dandy for tech savvy people who know how to use Mosaic or Internet in a Box but the rest of society still needed and wanted the training wheels offered by AOL. When AOL saw some of their people go to the local ISPs, they saw a need to go to that same billing model. All of a sudden, there were no limits and people starting going online en masse. AOL couldn't keep up with the demand and had to triple their capacity as fast as they could. People no longer had to worry about high bills to download that 10MB file that took all night in some cases.
AOL took some steps to make sure people did not leave their system connected without doing anything so they instituted measures to kick off idle connections. End result? Dial up couldn't keep up and now we have have high speed connections that are capable of handling the load.
My point is the current cellular system can't take the current load. In fact, like dial up, we are asking 3G to do something that maybe can handle a few users but not the massive people using it now. Technology will have to go in a RADICAL new direction to handle what we are asking it to do now. | |
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| | | said by Matt:I have to agree with you. I see posts from jackasses who either run Bitorrent on their iPhone natively (via jailbroken apps) or tether their phone and run it. I want to punch them in the face. Why? If they stay under the 5gb cap, what's the problem? | |
| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Re: What do people expect? said by thevorpal:said by Matt:I have to agree with you. I see posts from jackasses who either run Bitorrent on their iPhone natively (via jailbroken apps) or tether their phone and run it. I want to punch them in the face. Why? If they stay under the 5gb cap, what's the problem? It saturates an already overloaded system. Bitorrent is brutal on WIRED networks, it decimates the backhaul from cellular towers. HSDPA and EVDO were not designed to be always on data connections. They were designed for things like POP or push email, and web browsing in which a download occurs, then you get off that frequency so it's available for others to use. | |
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