Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22249882 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:41:12 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:41:12 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22250134 Bit : My bad. I read the reply from my posts list (which doesn't show the post you were replying to) and I was most recently chatting about TWC backing off the bandwidth caps. Reading it again, it totally makes sense.

While my dataconnect plan has a 5GB limit, I read my iPhone TOS and it doesn't say anything about limits. A high bandwidth consuming app that runs from the phone could easily be problematic for AT&T. And even some of Apple's own apps, like some app store downloads can only (or could only) be done over Wi-Fi or installed when docked.

The alternative would be for AT&T to levy the 5GB limit that they have on tethering plans (like Blackberry w/ tethering) or dataconnect plans on the iPhone data plan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22250134 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:31:33 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22250023 ditka_b : I was referring the the subject at hand wireless data bandwidth on ATT's network(Iphone). It doesn't just appear from thin air. There is for now and probably much longer extreme difficulty and great cost in bringing bandwidth to cell sites outside cities.
Mobile broadband isn't for streaming as with your cable or DSL might be. There is only so much to go around and hogging it directly effects others.
Cable broadband I can't agree with you more, it's greed not a lack of bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22250023 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:11:55 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22249882 Bit : nm, major brain fart event occured here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22249882 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:47:52 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22249768 ditka_b : Where do you expect the bandwidth to come from?
Especially away from cities. It does not exists at this time.
To add additional bandwidth costs far more than you'd ever imagine.
One good idea would be to allow the App and have it not work on anything besides wifi. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22249768 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:29:27 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22248835 fiberguy : No matter what is said "technically" here matters.. and is not valid to the point I was stating. It's not a "voice centered network" when they are selling a voice service and a data service. To me, the consumer, dropping $59.99 a month on data, it's a data network. When you spend what ever you do on voice, it's a voice network. I could care less how the back end technological points work. If they stopped selling voice service, then its a data network, right? And, if you say, as you did, "it's all data" then the problem lies with the fact they are over selling services they shouldn't in the first place.

It seems now we're getting into a semantics game. It is now becoming who's paid-for-services are more important than the others. If there isn't enough room for both on the network, they either need to upgrade the network's capacity, or stop selling a service, data, that they can't sell in the first place.. IF it's impacting the network's voice services.. that is, if VOICE is more important to them. (Or, better yet, raise the rates to something more sustainable and plow money into the network to increase capacity) This is one of those times where morals actually do play out in business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22248835 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:47:17 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22248092 swarto112 : youre' kidding right? It's a digital network and voice is carried via IP i.e. voip so its all data anyways. Its not rocket science, think about it. Even if you're using an analog house phone everything is converted to IP anyways to save on bandwidth over the haul. Actually take the time to research or go on some telecom forums and read, you'll see. I bet we have a few phone tech reading thru these and I bet they can even give the specifics of their networks doing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22248092 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:46:11 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247862 MightyPez :
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :

Who says you need to have an iPhone or iPod to use Slingbox :p
I think this is about time where we make the realization that iPhone users have been getting the shaft since day 1. Even if the users still have the slingbox application on their iPhones, all Jobs has to do is hit a button and poof the application gets deleted. Same thing with the G1.
You're understanding of the Android platform is... silly.

Google can remove an application from the application store, but that doesn't stop anyone from downloading it to an SD card and installing it. No hacking or modifying necessary. Google, T-Mobile, or other carriers can not stop you from installing applications on the Android platform. They just take away the easy to download application store link.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247862 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:09:58 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247515 NOCMan : Voice and data for the most part share the same frequency. In some cases data takes up more "Channels" on the backhaul than a single voice call.

Either way data really does not block up a site, but the wireless companies backhaul barely handles what's available and LTE is going to break their networks unless they upgrade to bigger pipes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247515 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:13:57 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247137 k1ll3rdr4g0n :
said by en102 See Profile :

Who says you need to have an iPhone or iPod to use Slingbox :p
I think this is about time where we make the realization that iPhone users have been getting the shaft since day 1. Even if the users still have the slingbox application on their iPhones, all Jobs has to do is hit a button and poof the application gets deleted. Same thing with the G1.

On the other hand, my Windows Mobile device is still safe from any greedy corporation (for the most part and for now). My WM phone does not have a kill switch, and plus I can customize it to the fullest extent (through the ability to view the whole FS/registry). Admit it, Windows is actually better on a phone. Fellow WM users, would you like a side of a slingbox client with your phones? :) Whats that? None exist? Then just make one in VB.Net, C++, or C#, royalty free of course :).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247137 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:15:56 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247067 battleop : It sucks that AT&T is the only Cell Phone company in the world.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22247067 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:03:36 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246961 fiberguy : You couldn't be ANY more wrong in your post there guy. "Voice centered cellular network"? really? Voice is voice.. data is data. I don't think my data was interrupted by someone trying to use my data line to make a call.

And second of all, I really could care of the "what if's" in this argument. Someone can already break the network by writing their own app and running it on the phone. AT&T has Windows mobile phones and sling has an app for it now. So, what's different?

Hackers can hack an app, the phone, or open developers can make apps of their own that will do things that go against the system, so the potential is already there. So, with your thinking, should be constantly live in the fear of what-if? .. should be all be inside pulling the shades in fear that there is a possibility that someone may try to harm you? No.. we go on with out lives, and we deal with life in risk management. Right now, there is no major risk that needs to be dealt with. In society, you can't punish everyone for the possibility that a few may do something the rest doesn't like. So yea.. let's block out a million legitimate people from using WiFi on their iPod becuase a few may jailbreak the app.... seriously! .. give me a break.

I'm leaning to believe that this is an attempt to protect the U-verse product coming to iPhones soon. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246961 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:47:49 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246859 Nerdtalker : Same. AT&T is and has always been the reason that I think a majority of people are holding out.

I honestly would be very, very surprised if Apple gave AT&T another exclusivity contract. AT&T is going to fight for it tooth and nail since it's the only thing growing their subscriber base, but you've gotta wonder how it feels to be in their shoes right now, becoming the dumb pipe they hate becoming.

HSPA+ won't save them while their backhaul is still sucking. I think we've already beaten the horse to death over that issue.
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said by JasonOD :

Except in this case it's time shifted video which HAS NO BUSINESS running over voice centered cellular networks. If it's allowed to run just WiFi, someone will break it out to run over ATT on the jailbird phones, so it's best not to even release it.
Umm, since when is HSDPA 3G voice centric? And if AT&T advertises their network as a 3G data network, they lost the right to differentiate between voice and data ... it's all data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246833 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:28:46 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246817 anon : Except in this case it's time shifted video which HAS NO BUSINESS running over voice centered cellular networks. If it's allowed to run just WiFi, someone will break it out to run over ATT on the jailbird phones, so it's best not to even release it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246817 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:25:30 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246769 Matt :
said by OverModded See Profile :

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive
No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up.
There are other apps like Orb that have been approved though that do the same thing, only with ANY media. I'm not sure this isn't a concerted effort to knock out a potential U-Verse competitor. The problem with that of course is not all AT&T customers are served by U-Verse, so if that turns out to be true (I'm on the fence whether it is or not) it could open them up to legal troubles.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246769 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:18:23 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246596 fiberguy : I hate to do this, but I have to partially disagree with ya' on this one bud. I have an iTouch ipod which doesn't even use their network, only wifi. When I travel, I'll use my sling on my Moto9Q from Sprint or on my laptop to catch up with a couple shows that I've DVR'd and can't get while I'm gone.

This move is pretty hard not to come to a conclusion that there is someones interest being protected here.. I can see both sides of the story here, too. However, its destiny that apps like this are going to open debates and the big boys are going to have to suck it up a little at the same time. They've already got caps and overage charges, I honestly can't support a company charging a premium for a service and constantly spend time and money inventing ways to people not to use it.

So with this, I say bring it on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246596 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:50:17 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246455 Maggs : If you're in the business to make money, you might want to upgrade your network to satisfy customers. They want more bandwidth, upgrade and charge them more for the privilege. Why have a half assed network with data. It just makes people angry. That is the reason I didn't get an iPhone AT&T has a horrid network. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246455 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:27:26 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246398 ptrowski :
said by DarkLogix See Profile :

almost true but the word is that there will be an app like sling but that works with uverse (as was stated earlier)
Correct, but we need to see that it is being developed vs rumored.
If they do come out and say "yeah, we are working on one" then I would agree 110%.
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said by en102 See Profile :

Who says you need to have an iPhone or iPod to use Slingbox :p
True, but this is the iPhone/AT&T wireless thread. :)
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said by DarkLogix See Profile :

no the topic is AT&T blocked an app that could have even been used on an iPod touch and they are planning to release an app with similer functionality and don't want competition
Which has nothing to do with Uverse.
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said by OverModded See Profile :

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive
No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up.
NOT. They are just stopping Sling from offering a service that would compete with their own U-verse service.

Adi
The topic was iPhone and Wireless network - NOT u-Verse and AT&T's wired network.
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said by OverModded See Profile :

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive
No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up.
NOT. They are just stopping Sling from offering a service that would compete with their own U-verse service.

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22246020 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:12:55 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22245914 Bit : Hardly. They just don't want people actually using the bandwidth they're paying for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22245914 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:52:15 EDT Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22245884 OverModded :
said by DarkLogix See Profile :

AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive
No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22245884 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:48:24 EDT Can you say Anti-Competitive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22245870 DarkLogix : AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22245870 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:46:04 EDT