Topic 'Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22248924 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:28:06 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:28:06 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22278974 said by pnh102:

said by HotRodFoto:

Sewer? lol you don't need sewer to survive, same with garbage pickup.
LOL.

Please go read up on how and why cholera and dysentery epidemics occur.
Touche, go read up on how Ambulances are routed to calls :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22278974 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:31:39 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22277577 said by HotRodFoto:

Non working where? BPL works in Europe just fine. It does not work in Manassas. I couldn't care less what they do in Europe.
said by HotRodFoto:

No need for the Gov't to do it? As I said, competition = consumer win. Why shouldn't we have more options, or are you anti-consumer?
No there is no need for the government to do because again, it isn't a utility, and there are already privately available broadband options in Manasass.
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Sewer? lol you don't need sewer to survive, same with garbage pickup. LOL.

Please go read up on how and why cholera and dysentery epidemics occur.
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said by HotRodFoto:

You can go to Google yourself and find the cases of people who have died because their internet connection was down and voip didn't work.
Those people are idiots. Any VOIP provider will tell you that it isn't ideal for emergency situations.
said by HotRodFoto:

You argument here makes no sense, schools and police are not utilities....though both benefit massively from broadband.
If this is true, then why would they use an admittedly non-working solution like BPL?

Most police cars that access broadband use existing 3G networks that were developed by private companies. Again, there is no need for the government to do it.
Non working where? BPL works in Europe just fine.

No need for the Gov't to do it? As I said, competition = consumer win. Why shouldn't we have more options, or are you anti-consumer? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22277418 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:27:56 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22277408 said by rf_engineer:

said by HotRodFoto:

You can go to Google yourself and find the cases of people who have died because their internet connection was down and voip didn't work. You argument here makes no sense, schools and police are not utilities....though both benefit massively from broadband. How do you think cops find their way to houses that called 911, along with the Fire Department? Each car is equipped with a laptop for a reason.
I Googled it and didn't find any cases of people dying due to an Internet connection being down, though if you can find some specific links please post them. (The burden of proof is on you; "find it using Google and prove my point for me" isn't valid proof.)

You're mixing up mobile data access for public safety, broadband, and the Internet. They're all different things. Public safety employees and first responders don't do a Google search when they want information; they're accessing systems on a private network, not on the Internet, and not necessarily over broadband.
Burden of proof on me? Look, seriously, I am not going to sit here and argue when I have better things to do. There are several cases where this happened. If you can't find it in your search that isn't my problem. If you don't want to believe it's a utility, fine, however ask yourself HOWCOME in so many other countries it is.
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»jdebordphoto.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22277395 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:21:37 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22265504 said by HotRodFoto:

You can go to Google yourself and find the cases of people who have died because their internet connection was down and voip didn't work.Those people are idiots. Any VOIP provider will tell you that it isn't ideal for emergency situations.
said by HotRodFoto:

You argument here makes no sense, schools and police are not utilities....though both benefit massively from broadband.
If this is true, then why would they use an admittedly non-working solution like BPL?

Most police cars that access broadband use existing 3G networks that were developed by private companies. Again, there is no need for the government to do it.
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As I said, in many countries it already IS a utility. The more we move forward, the sooner it becomes one here in America. Other countries simply have higher broadband penetration than we do. That doesn't make it a utility.

And still no one has shown that people need broadband in order to survive, as one can make the case for things like water, power, gas, sewer, garbage pickup, etc.
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You can go to Google yourself and find the cases of people who have died because their internet connection was down and voip didn't work. You argument here makes no sense, schools and police are not utilities....though both benefit massively from broadband. How do you think cops find their way to houses that called 911, along with the Fire Department? Each car is equipped with a laptop for a reason.
I Googled it and didn't find any cases of people dying due to an Internet connection being down, though if you can find some specific links please post them. (The burden of proof is on you; "find it using Google and prove my point for me" isn't valid proof.)

You're mixing up mobile data access for public safety, broadband, and the Internet. They're all different things. Public safety employees and first responders don't do a Google search when they want information; they're accessing systems on a private network, not on the Internet, and not necessarily over broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22264093 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:26:11 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22264049 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22264049 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:16:26 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22262510 said by pnh102:

said by HotRodFoto:

Not a vital function of local Gov't?
Again. Please show me where people have died without having access to broadband.
Pr0n addicts will go into withdraw and eventually a coma if they don't have broadband :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22262510 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:20:27 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22260836 said by decifal:

You say your for schools.. But yet without internet these days, schools are ineffecient and not up to par..It is a proven fact that we as a country spend more on education than any other and most K-12 schools are mediocre at best. If you believe that money is important for schooling, then that also begs the question, why would any local government spend money on a toy network when it could be used for schools instead?
said by decifal:

Btw.. I rather tax dollars be used for nationwide broadband than to give more CEOS and failed company's and banks bailouts that some rich old bastard retires with and leaves the country to bang young sweedish women... NO, no no and hell no... If your going to use our money, at least invest in our infrastructure... Not some pricks retirement fund.
I'd rather it be used for neither. :)
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Not a vital function of local Gov't? Again. Please show me where people have died without having access to broadband.

When you can show me this information, then we can argue about internet being a vital function of local government. Until you can prove that broadband is at least as important as say, good schools, police, firefighters, paramedics, running water, sanitary sewers, garbage collection, etc. then broadband will still be relegated to luxury status, just like cable TV.
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said by pnh102:

said by HotRodFoto:

And what IF your taxes paid for a network that worked and actually was cheaper than what you currently pay for Comcast?
Again, internet is not a vital function of local government. I want my taxes paying for good schools, police, fire departments and other things are actually important to the well being of the community.

A non-functioning BPL network is not one of these things.
said by HotRodFoto:

BPL stinks you say?
Yes. It does not work in Manassas.
said by HotRodFoto:

I would have NO issue paying higher taxes if the speed and service was better and cheaper, not by any stretch.
There's nothing stopping people who think like you from putting your own money on the line and making a private investment in BPL. Why should other taxpayers be forced to be exposed to such a risky investment?
Right, screw bpl.. But fiber.. Why not? You say your for schools.. But yet without internet these days, schools are ineffecient and not up to par.. Hmm Guess good enough works for your children.. I prefer mine to have said internet deemed a nonutility.

Btw.. I rather tax dollars be used for nationwide broadband than to give more CEOS and failed company's and banks bailouts that some rich old bastard retires with and leaves the country to bang young sweedish women... NO, no no and hell no... If your going to use our money, at least invest in our infrastructure... Not some pricks retirement fund.
Quote the damn there in your last paragraph!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22257728 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:35:11 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22257721 said by pnh102:

said by HotRodFoto:

And what IF your taxes paid for a network that worked and actually was cheaper than what you currently pay for Comcast?
Again, internet is not a vital function of local government. I want my taxes paying for good schools, police, fire departments and other things are actually important to the well being of the community.

A non-functioning BPL network is not one of these things.
said by HotRodFoto:

BPL stinks you say?
Yes. It does not work in Manassas.
said by HotRodFoto:

I would have NO issue paying higher taxes if the speed and service was better and cheaper, not by any stretch.
There's nothing stopping people who think like you from putting your own money on the line and making a private investment in BPL. Why should other taxpayers be forced to be exposed to such a risky investment?
Not a vital function of local Gov't? lol It is not 1979 anymore. It most certainly is. I suppose we can kiss Amber Alerts goodbye then, and sexual predator databases as well huh? Seriously. It is more vital than you aware, and with a comment like that, it shows you certainly aren't.
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said by HotRodFoto:

And what IF your taxes paid for a network that worked and actually was cheaper than what you currently pay for Comcast?
Again, internet is not a vital function of local government. I want my taxes paying for good schools, police, fire departments and other things are actually important to the well being of the community.

A non-functioning BPL network is not one of these things.
said by HotRodFoto:

BPL stinks you say?
Yes. It does not work in Manassas.
said by HotRodFoto:

I would have NO issue paying higher taxes if the speed and service was better and cheaper, not by any stretch.
There's nothing stopping people who think like you from putting your own money on the line and making a private investment in BPL. Why should other taxpayers be forced to be exposed to such a risky investment?
Right, screw bpl.. But fiber.. Why not? You say your for schools.. But yet without internet these days, schools are ineffecient and not up to par.. Hmm Guess good enough works for your children.. I prefer mine to have said internet deemed a nonutility.

Btw.. I rather tax dollars be used for nationwide broadband than to give more CEOS and failed company's and banks bailouts that some rich old bastard retires with and leaves the country to bang young sweedish women... NO, no no and hell no... If your going to use our money, at least invest in our infrastructure... Not some pricks retirement fund.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22255631 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:25:02 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22252942 said by HotRodFoto:

And what IF your taxes paid for a network that worked and actually was cheaper than what you currently pay for Comcast?Again, internet is not a vital function of local government. I want my taxes paying for good schools, police, fire departments and other things are actually important to the well being of the community.

A non-functioning BPL network is not one of these things.
said by HotRodFoto:

BPL stinks you say?
Yes. It does not work in Manassas.
said by HotRodFoto:

I would have NO issue paying higher taxes if the speed and service was better and cheaper, not by any stretch.
There's nothing stopping people who think like you from putting your own money on the line and making a private investment in BPL. Why should other taxpayers be forced to be exposed to such a risky investment?
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said by patcat88:

Billions of people get by without running water, why don't you join them?
And?

Broadband still is not a utility.
As I said, in many countries it already IS a utility. The more we move forward, the sooner it becomes one here in America.
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I would have NO issue paying higher taxes if the speed and service was better and cheaper, not by any stretch. Either way, it all costs dough, in the end, the best experience and best service is what I want.
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Satellite internet is an excuse.. Not a solution
BPL is also just an excuse.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22252744 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:20:40 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22252438 said by patcat88:

Billions of people get by without running water, why don't you join them? And?

Broadband still is not a utility.
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said by decifal:

Broadband not a utility?
Nope.

Not in the least.

We have billions of people on this planet who get by just fine without broadband. We have millions of people in this country who live just fine without broadband. No one will die if they lack broadband.
Billions of people get by without running water, why don't you join them?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22252389 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:28:25 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251831 said by HotRodFoto:

Let me ask you this, is competition not good? Is consumers having a choice not good?
Of course all these things are good. But when it comes to paying taxes, unless you work for the Obama administration you have no choice in the matter. With taxpayer financed broadband, there is no choice, you must pay whether you like it or not.

In this day and age many state and local governments are claiming to be short on money. I am guessing that Manassas, VA is no different. If this is the case, then there are far more important things that this tax money can be used for other than worthless BPL, especially when the area has abundant options for "real" broadband.
said by HotRodFoto:

Otherwise you get in to a situation of a monopoly, and we all know how that goes, price fixing, stagnant innovation, and basically a screw the customer attitude.
True, but at least with most private monopolies, no one is holding a gun to my head forcing me to pay for something I do not want, either. If Comcast was my only broadband option and they stunk, at least I would be free to cancel and not pay them money.

With this BPL, it clearly stinks, and the taxpayers still have no choice but to pay for it.

said by HotRodFoto:

I think you should be more worried about why your hospital is charging you $20 an Aspirin than a build out of a public internet.
I worry because if it was my town I would not want to pay for the latter. My taxes are high enough.
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said by HotRodFoto:

I would much rather have this than the crap companies like TW dish it's customers. Choice IS Freedom! Competition rules!
An unprofitable entity financed by taxes is freedom?
Let me ask you this, is competition not good? Is consumers having a choice not good? Otherwise you get in to a situation of a monopoly, and we all know how that goes, price fixing, stagnant innovation, and basically a screw the customer attitude.

I think you should be more worried about why your hospital is charging you $20 an Aspirin than a build out of a public internet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251794 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:46:50 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251791 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251791 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:45:51 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251783
How about coax or fiber on poles or underground, like cable or FiOS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251783 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:44:04 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251722 said by HotRodFoto:

I would much rather have this than the crap companies like TW dish it's customers. Choice IS Freedom! Competition rules! An unprofitable entity financed by taxes is freedom?
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You just called Broadband a Utility. It is not quite there yet.
It is there, America is just blind to it and how the rest of the world classifies things. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251711 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:30:11 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251706 said by pnh102:

So how do the taxpayers of Manassas feel about their valuable money being wasted on something that clearly isn't vital to the city to function.

I wonder if the same council threatened to cut funding for schools, police, firefighters and the usual suspects that come up when government want to raise taxes.
I would much rather have this than the crap companies like TW dish it's customers. Choice IS Freedom! Competition rules!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251706 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:28:25 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251342 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251342 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:48:35 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251320 said by decifal:

Right.. Comcast and verizon and ATT alike only want the more populated areas.. What about people in less dense subdivisions? You going to suggest they move to get broadband? That reasoning alone shows ignorance and laziness amongst providers.. For company's that have had tax money handed to them already (( not stimulas money )) they have done a piss poor job coming up with faster and affordable networks for everyone..

Satellite internet is an excuse.. Not a solution
BPL was never meant for less dense areas. It have severe limitations on distance and infrastructure that have not been worked out in the many years it has been tried out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251320 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:38:27 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251220
Broadband on the other hand... watching videos, checking your bank account, and FPS games hardly compare.

It is a point that has been established a long time ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22251220 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:19:21 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250864 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250864 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:55:47 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250488
I will agree on some of those forced to live in the boonies due to employment or some other factor, they should have multiple choices for broadband just like those of us living in cities. I'm about to be forced to live in the boonies and it looks like a monopoly on broadband services where I'm at (- satellite of course).

But unlike some other folks I was deployed to Afghanistan for a year and relied on satellite broadband to provide internet. Might not be able to play games but at least lets you keep in touch with folks and hop on the internet for other than latency applications without dial up speeds. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250488 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:48:29 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250441 said by decifal:

Broadband not a utility? Nope.

Not in the least.

We have billions of people on this planet who get by just fine without broadband. We have millions of people in this country who live just fine without broadband. No one will die if they lack broadband.
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Broadband not a utility? Heh, I think its more so than people realise... If you forget what its like to not have it.. Try dialup for a week.. I bet you won't last.. Just checking my bank account takes 5 minutes... God help me if I want to shop on the internet, watch a video, download software etc.... I love to play fps games, but latency just kills it.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250274 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:59:57 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250215 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250215 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:49:02 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22250160 said by decifal:

We all will move in to your place! When that is full, we'll get tents and move into the yard.The extra rental income would be nice.

said by decifal:

God seriously.. If you believe that's the answer, then you fail at innovation.. Sorry.. Hate it for ya.
Whose fault is it if you don't check to see if broadband is available before you move? Every place to live has its advantages and disadvantages. It isn't Verizon's fault or Comcast's fault if someone chooses to live out in the middle of nowhere.
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said by decifal:

You going to suggest they move to get broadband?
Yes.
Alright fine.. Clean out your guest room.. We all will move in to your place! When that is full, we'll get tents and move into the yard. Maybe we can build a structure over your house to help support all the extra people moving to the city from your answer.. Then when food prices sky rocket from farmers moving just to get utilities, and you start complaining.. Our answer will be move to the sticks and grow a carrot.

God seriously.. If you believe that's the answer, then you fail at innovation.. Sorry.. Hate it for ya.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249961 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:02:11 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249908 said by decifal:

You going to suggest they move to get broadband? Yes.
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Blagojevich / Madoff 2012!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249908 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:53:06 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249864 said by pnh102:

said by sortofaTroll :

What's the alternative?
A big fugly UHearse cabinet on every corner?
People in Manassas can get broadband from Comcast or Verizon (DSL or FIOS).

Both of these options were put in place with no taxpayer money involved.

There is no need for any form of government-provided broadband in Manassas.
Right.. Comcast and verizon and ATT alike only want the more populated areas.. What about people in less dense subdivisions? You going to suggest they move to get broadband? That reasoning alone shows ignorance and laziness amongst providers.. For company's that have had tax money handed to them already (( not stimulas money )) they have done a piss poor job coming up with faster and affordable networks for everyone..

Satellite internet is an excuse.. Not a solution]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249864 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:45:09 EDT Re: More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249529 said by sortofaTroll :

What's the alternative?
A big fugly UHearse cabinet on every corner? People in Manassas can get broadband from Comcast or Verizon (DSL or FIOS).

Both of these options were put in place with no taxpayer money involved.

There is no need for any form of government-provided broadband in Manassas.
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So how do the taxpayers of Manassas feel about their valuable money being wasted on something that clearly isn't vital to the city to function.
What's the alternative?
A big fugly UHearse cabinet on every corner?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22249082 Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:01:52 EDT More Proof Government Broadband is Bad http://www.dslreports.com/forum/More-Proof-Government-Broadband-is-Bad-22248924
I wonder if the same council threatened to cut funding for schools, police, firefighters and the usual suspects that come up when government want to raise taxes.
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