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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Yes, there's a humourous note in my answer indeed.  On the other<br>hand, you're well aware that i stopped trusting instant snapshots<br>a while ago...  My reasons should seem obvious when one looks at<br>some of the "marginal events" i captured during the last months.<br><br>For example, one may be witnessing a popcorn-like progression in<br>terms of SNR Margin vs Error Rate curve and then the MoDem will<br>reset and the situation changes radically...  Depending on when it<br>was captured, i consider that i just can't be absolutely sure what<br>happened exactly unless a unit was actually monitored externally.<br><br>I see a difference between having a hint and collecting evidence.<br><br> :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:51:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1267354" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1267354');">Bicephale</a>:</small><br><br>I'll be pleased to take a look at your long-term log, if any, but it<br>seems i must remind you that 'RouterStats' already plots curves!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/71.gif"><br> </div>Bicephale, my last post was meant as a joke.  Take a look at the error totals and the dsl uptime.... also, ask yourself this: what is the difference between this recent error total and the other error totals from previous days and what's the only thing that appears to have caused the difference?  (this is a riddle for you)<br><br>Based on your laughing icon, I think you already knew that I was joking and I think that you already knew that I remebered that Routerstats will plot the graph for me.  The joke was that there's really nothing to graph. The error rate is so rediculously low now that I've switched modems that the graph would be meaningless.  <br><br>Assuming the modem's counters are accurate, why is it that my TD-8840 v1.3 with a firmware hacked to one that is meant for a different TP-Link modem is so much superior at handling line noise when compared to the Speedtouch 516 v6 (even when using firmware 7.4.3.2)?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:22:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I'll be pleased to take a look at your long-term log, if any, but it<br>seems i must remind you that 'RouterStats' already plots curves!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/71.gif">]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:16:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Bicephale, as much as a I agree with you that DMT screenshots only show a certain about of information, here's a DMT screenshot for you.<br><br>If I had something like Routerstats running and used it to record the frequency and timing of errors, do you think you would have been abel to help me graph the errors that are summarized in this screenshot?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23447231?c=1496177&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="54446 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1496177.thumb600~6c80e00d8eb4968a4f5faeca1b7d1f3e/dmt20091206_1521.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:24:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Euh...<br><br>Allow me to remind you that TerTech created 'DSL_StatScope'<br>specifically because of Thomson's 'DMT'-hostile FirmWare...  He<br>once wrote essentially what you just expressed here, as i recall.<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Hahaha!  More tones should mean a higher attaianble rate but I'll never know thanks to our friends at Thomson!<br><br>!!! No more Diagnosis mode available in DMT 7.35 if using firmware 7.4.3.2.0. :(<br><br>Also, I can't get Routerstats to even update read the error coutners properly from the modem page any more (it can read get an initial reading of the error counter but will never update the total for me meaning that the graph just shows a flat line at 0 errors all the time).  I sense that this vesion 7 frimware won't be lasting long on my Speedtouch 516.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23441341?c=1495752&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="59572 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1495752.thumb600~e20e865090ab181a1f60dee30911ab02/dmt20091205_0310.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23441341?c=1495753&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="56158 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1495753.thumb600~0174bf95a3e2e19d40a99e6b8b95eea8/dmt20091205_0339.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:48:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Depends on the predictability of the line, i like that.<br><br> :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:20:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Perhaps we can say that the usefullness of DMT screenshots can depend on the predictability of the line.  A line with constantly changing conditions could render DMT reported error rates to be nothing more than an average and would only show those averages or line conditions at that exact point in time.  If my line once again became problematic, I would be more likely to peform more detailed diagnostics.  At the moment, the urgency isn't really there. Have I become complacent? ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:40:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Hi DSLRocker,<br><br>I will not dispute your observations, my<br>intent is to simply react to a statement:<br><br><tt>DR&gt; ...DMT screenshots only give a<br>DR&gt; <i>general</i> idea of what's going on...</tt><br><br>This needs to be rephrased in my opinion!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif"><br><br>My choice of words would differ.  Imagine<br>a collection of successive 'DMT' captures<br>taken at a quick pace as when filming, it<br>is the movement which emerges from them<br>that gives a general idea of what's going<br>on...  Instant 'DMT' snapshots are similar<br>to one single frame, it does fit within the<br>film but it reveals little about the overall<br>story unless it's a film with no action...<br><br>Lets remind the readers that all films are<br>not as dull as yours, that all phone-lines<br>are not providing such a stable DSL signal!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/15.gif"><br><br>In fact, even yours may suffer from a few<br>hickups which will slip through if you don't<br>monitor it using more potent resources...<br><br>The 'DMT' instant snapshots are handy if<br>one trusts them to be representative of a<br>situation and he needs to communicate with<br>others in a swift/convenient way but they<br>fail to provide a "general" perspective.  My<br>impression is that you're aware of this, of<br>course, but the words left the door opened<br>to some misunderstanding:  i find that the<br>'DMT' snapshots only give a <u>restricted</u> idea<br>of what's going on during a specific time,<br>as far as i'm concerned!  Don't you?<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/65.gif"><br><br>Look at a recent graph i've published lately:<br><br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23382503"><IMG SRC="http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1492296~0ada6a634c95f4fcdc6682bd0b0770dc/ST516v6%20-%20Events%20(2009-Oct,%207-8,%2020)%20.GIF"><br><small><i>From the ground up!, Bicephale, 2009-Nov-23</i></small></a><br><br>Even a dozen 'DMT' instant snapshots taken<br>at random intervals would fail to inform an<br>observer about what was really going on...<br><br>All he would see is a variation of the SNR<br>Margin taking place on some occasions, it's<br>nothing significant considering that these<br>could result from marginal events/readings.<br><br>Well, i might be tempted to ignore ordinary<br>3+ dB spikes but certainly not a couple of<br>those solid boost events when they have a<br>level of such magnitude!  In my case those<br>anomalies turned out to be the mainstream<br>story and it's quite a puzzling one which no<br>single 'DMT' capture can document.<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/26.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : I know that these DMT screenshots only give a general idea of what's going on with the line but as I suspected before, the gap between convential wiring and unconventional wiring (better results) has been narrowed.<br><br>It used to always be a 3% difference between the two wiring methods but now it only appears to be 2%.  The unconventional wiring tests still show an RCO that varries from 55 to 56% just as before.  But the conventional wiring which always used to vary between 58 and 59% now varries between 57 and 58%.  I know that sounds like a very, very small difference which it is but the fact tht I've been able to repeat it a few times can only lead me to believe that simply restripping one little wire closed the gap a little.  This small change in RCO happened as soon as a finished restripping that wire and turned the modem back on.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23396619?c=1493077&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="59807 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1493077.thumb600~13b126d11fab09f50db32c8aa4385842/dmt20091124_1703.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>conventional wiring Nov 24/09</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23396619?c=1493078&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="59454 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1493078.thumb600~7b700773789537e992082f146259c179/dmt20091125_1950.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>conventional wiring Nov 25/09</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23396619?c=1493079&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="58351 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1493079.thumb600~21a1fc034411a08754e4e3287ac5bd57/dmt20091125_1842.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>unconventional wiring Nov 25/09</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:06:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Indeed, i see you point!  Well, to the very least<br>you've proven the US 6 dB IKNS bug, i'd say!...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Disabling upstream tones didn't seem to open up any additional downstream bandwidth but then again, the IKNS remotes leave such a large gap between the upstream and downstream tones that are used.<br><br>I wonder how long I could leave my connection like this before my profile got "improved" for me? hahaha!  I think that I better stop making my modem sync at crazy rates like that, at least for a few days.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395611?c=1493016&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53952 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493016.thumb600~d324f58f8a4b16ec84b695844be68530/dmt20091125_1519 default tone control td-8840.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>default settings for reference</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/r0/download/1493017~0673b1b47dae6059d18ba12044d6201c/upstream%20tone%20experiment.txt"><IMG  align=absmiddle style="vertical-align:middle;" TITLE="download" SRC="http://i.dslr.net/silk/arrow_down.png" border=0 width=16 height=16><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/1ptrans.gif" WIDTH=10 HEIGHT=1 border=0><big>upstream ton&middot;&middot;&middot;ment.txt</big></A> <small>10,152 bytes</small></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395611?c=1493018&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="96847 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1493018.thumb600~71ff315f58a8c29d8c988317294d80d3/ScreenHunter_03 Nov. 25 15.33.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395611?c=1493019&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="49863 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493019.thumb600~0ae75b054af2ba4c9bbfa08fa7d7d65d/dmt20091125_1537 tones 0 to 15 and 26 to 31 off.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>upstream tones 0 to 15 and 16 to 31 turned off</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : The overall SNRM remains so close in both screenshots that there really was no overall difference (I could have clicked on refresh and got a higher number for the first screenshot if I really wanted to).  <br><br>For my line, this doesn't accomplish anything but I do see that my "least good" tones were dropped if you look at the SNR per tone graph  (the lowest tone SNR is higher than before). I could see how this could possibly allow a user to achieve stability on a higher than "proper" profile, even if the user doesn't connect at the full rate.   In this experiment, some of my attainable downstream bandwidth was sacrificed.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395585?c=1493010&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53952 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493010.thumb600~d324f58f8a4b16ec84b695844be68530/dmt20091125_1519 default tone control td-8840.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>defaults for reference purposes</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/r0/download/1493011~9bdaf136ee459688574c8c5903b91670/downstream%20tone%20experiment.txt"><IMG  align=absmiddle style="vertical-align:middle;" TITLE="download" SRC="http://i.dslr.net/silk/arrow_down.png" border=0 width=16 height=16><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/1ptrans.gif" WIDTH=10 HEIGHT=1 border=0><big>downstream t&middot;&middot;&middot;ment.txt</big></A> <small>15,260 bytes</small></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395585?c=1493012&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="49891 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493012.thumb600~fab448c690dd0b3e5fa0fceabf954e3e/dmt20091125_1529 tones with below 5 bits from reference sample d/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>tones that had less than 5 bits disabled<br><small>(dmt20091125_1529 tones with below 5 bits from reference sample disabled.png)</small></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395585?c=1493015&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="99571 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1493015.thumb600~8be1b0980fd24f6811e92c5992899d6a/ScreenHunter_01 Nov. 25 15.27.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : If that change of Attenuation level were real i'd<br>expect this condition to reflect into the graphs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : A question was presented earlier about how turning off things such as Annex M and ADSL2 modes helped when the user wasw connecting only in G.dmt mode.  My screenshots tend to say that it does not help.  The comparisons are almost indentical execpt for one very strange behavior with the attenuation.  I can only assume that this is either a firmware bug or a non-repeatable conincidence because it just doesn't make any sense for the attenuation to change like that when the differences in settings should have had zero effect.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395528?c=1493004&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53952 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493004.thumb600~d324f58f8a4b16ec84b695844be68530/dmt20091125_1519 default tone control td-8840.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>TD-8840, All settings at default</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395528?c=1493005&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53604 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493005.thumb600~b49a3ef80e9108cb3b8466f7f6c4be73/dmt20091125_1539 All DSL modes enabled.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>All DSL modes enabled</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395528?c=1493006&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="51378 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1493006.thumb600~a9628dc6cf9f1718176ae48fe0a2d26a/ScreenHunter_04 Nov. 25 15.37.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23395528?c=1493007&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53790 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1493007.thumb600~cbc0780ae591bff0092657722d927a39/dmt20091125_1541 all modes off exept Gdmt.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>extra dsl modes off, only g.dmt is enabled</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Hi AnonDSLGuy,<br><br>Let me guess, your 'DMT' capture would be like this:<br><br><IMG SRC="http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1406244~429670445ca2ee5b5221af8be38d19c1/dmtm20081001_1206.png"><br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/38.gif"><br><br>You know, i think it's great when one can obtain some<br>expert advice around here, even if the source happens<br>to be anonymous, but i searched a few threads about<br>Impulse Noise Protection (INP) and there's no "Before"/<br>"After" comparison whatsoever:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,23134715">Re: DSL overhead/sync</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,23148574">Re: Obscenely High Ecc (sec)? Low US SNR?</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,23287991">Re: Speedtouch 516 dying. Replacement modem?</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,23294348">Re: high profile+modem sync lower OR low profile+modem sync max?</A><br><br>It appears you're using a <A HREF="http://gateway.2wire.net/xslt?PAGE=J42&THISPAGE=A02_POST&NEXTPAGE=J42">2Wire</a> and you don't have to<br>deal with Bell - lucky you!...  I may be wrong but i've<br>found the "INP" string over there:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,21074349">I cant understand my line stats for bell 2wire 2701HG-G</A><br><br>Is that where you became aware of the INP feature<br>for the 1st time?...<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif"><br><br>Appart from your GNet basher theories which once<br>again come with nothing but your <i>anonymous</i> word,<br>i'd like to read further about "<A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20353233">Interleaver Depth</a>"...<br><br>Euh...  But there again, something tells me i simply<br>can't hope for "Before"/"After" comparisons figures<br>anyway.  So, what can you really offer other than<br>remedies which are probably off-topic here and will<br>be best suited in some AT&T american forum???<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/7.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AnonDSLGuy0 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1267354" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1267354');">Bicephale</a>:</small><br><br>You seem to miss the action but now that you own a<br>TP-Link TD884x with bin-per-bin spectral shaping lets<br>have some fun by simply experimenting with those:<br><br>64, 74, 84, 129, 133, 134, 137, 140, 148, 150, 158,<br>182, 191, 192, 199, 226, 234, 235, 236, 237, 243.<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/5.gif"><br> </div>Let DSL do its thing, and don't notch tones! If the bins are noisy less bits (possibly none) will be assigned to them. Noise is transient, and if you notch those tones now, they may be less noisy next time you retrain, so you're pissing away bandwidth for disabling tones you could be using.<br><br>Instead complain to Bell as to why they relegate wholesale customers to ADSL, when running everyone on ADSL2+ would save them money from much added stability (ie: SRA, INP). You poor easterner's and your utterly ignorant ILEC =(.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : You seem to miss the action but now that you own a<br>TP-Link TD884x with bin-per-bin spectral shaping lets<br>have some fun by simply experimenting with those:<br><br>64, 74, 84, 129, 133, 134, 137, 140, 148, 150, 158,<br>182, 191, 192, 199, 226, 234, 235, 236, 237, 243.<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/5.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mauricio posted : Temperature variations, amongst others, could be the cause for most of the fluctuations. My connection has never been stable in the Spring/Fall. I would assume, even if you're line is far from being marginal, that it could also be affected by such variables. <br><br>Colder weather usually translates into better line conditions. My line attenuation has seen a slight decrease over the last few weeks (67.7 to 67.0).<br><br>Can't wait for expertech to finish splicing/activating the RDSLAM that will feed my line.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Yesterday, I restripped one of my wires that goes into the jack that feeds my modem. It might just be a conincidence but it would appear that the performance difference gap between normal wiring and my uncoventional wiring trick appears to be getting smaller.   If it's a just a coincidence, that would just mean that my line has got slightly better in the last 24 hour all round and it has nothing to do with me redoing that wire.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23390853?c=1492731&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="59807 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1492731.thumb600~13b126d11fab09f50db32c8aa4385842/dmt20091124_1703.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : I guess I'm trying to say not to believe everything that these manufacturers tell you.  If I did that, I would till be stuck with a TP-Link firmware that did not have a PPPoE disconnect/reconnect button.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I'm listening but i have no clue as to why FirmWares<br>happen to be cross-compatible or not.  At one point<br>i was under the impression you were about to try ST<br>FirmWare in order to turn a TP-Link into a Thomson,<br>actually!...  Promise me you won't do that, not even<br>think of it!!!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/109.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Hang on a second!!!!  this so-called "23K" firmware for the TD-8840 v4 is the same firmware as the one for the TD-8841 v1 firmware! What types of "games" is TP-Link trying to pull here?<br><br>Interestingly, the TD-8840 v4 firmware whose file is starts with the name "TD8811A.....up" works but the TD-8840 v2 firmware that has a file name that starts with "TD8840A...up" won't load onto my TD-8840 v1.3 unit.<br><br>Bicephale, do I have your attention yet when it comes to firmware updates if TP-Link decides to make your version of the TD-8841 dissapear from the technical support page?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:41:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Hahahahahaha!!!<br><br>WARNING, do not try this stuff unless you fully understand that you could destroy your modem by doing what I did!!!!<br><br>Now, downloading the firmware for TD-8840 v4 turned my TD-8840 v1.3 into a TD-8810 v4!  LOL!<br><br>Everything works fine. Since TP-Link's support website denies that TD-8840 v1.3 ever existed, I was forced to take into my own hands to find the most update-to-date firmwares that are unofficially available.  So far, I've sucessfully installed the following and everything works fine to my knowledge:  TD-8841 v1 frimware dated November 28, 2008 and TD-8840 v4 fimware dated July 12, 2009.<br><br>I am becoming increasing suspicious about TP-Link's claims that you cannot use firmwares from different hardware versions.   I am very much suspecting that the differences are purely cosmetic and that they are simply saying not to do it to discourage the sale of used units (ie. they will purposely discontinue certain versions and no longer provide more firmware updates)<br><br>I wonder if there will be any performance differences between all of these different firmware versions.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23383535?c=1492360&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="79588 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1492360.thumb600~28c1617969956e1c34574ee5a9e756ca/ScreenHunter_01 Nov. 23 13.19.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I'm not going to switch MoDems before the week-end<br>is over but i'll sure keep your stimulating idea in mind.<br><br> :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Vomio posted : This has probably been covered before, but with my TD-8841 hooked up to an Alcatel DSLAM, I found an apparent improvement in the reported signal to noise margin and a reduction in errors by turning off modulation protocols that were not in use.  See Advanced Setup, DSL Settings.    <br><br>Of course this may merely be an observed anomaly from a short snapshot of time and possibly pure coincidence.<br><br>I'd be interested if anybody else observes this or not.<br><br>Marcus]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Oh boy, if you thought my error rates were uninteresting with my Speedtouch 516, life is about to get even more uniteresting with my TD-8840.  I left the connection up for almost a day and I'm averaging 4 correctable errors per hour.  Even if I ran some advanced diagnostic program to monitor line noise and errors, the graphs aren't going to show a heck of lot with that low of error numbers.<br><br>I can't speak as to the accuracy of the modem's error counter but I based on these numbers, it is a rather apparent that the TD-8840 (with TD-8841 firmware installed) is much better at handling noise to prevent line errrors than my Speedtouch 516 with firmware 6.1.0.5. To be fair, the Speedtouch modem is running an older firmware but why should I have to lose features to upgrade it?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23370413?c=1491461&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="54719 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1491461.thumb600~0d995da68b8a2cdf7340fabcf3991ac1/dmt20091120_1248.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>unconventional wiring, TD-8840</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23370413?c=1491609&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="59546 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=441 SRC="/r0/download/1491609.thumb600~7f48f4c44fc4b13be056554d973706e9/dmt20091117_1336.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>unconventional wiring, speedtouch 516 (from a few days ago)</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mike2009 posted : I'm on an Alcatel DSLAM.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1611811" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1611811');">Mike2009</a>:</small><br><br>I'm curious about this interleaver depth as well. Yours is 4 on the downstream and 1 upstream. Mine is 1 downstream as well as upstream. Anyone understand this?<br> </div>Based on your 9.0dB upstream signal to noise ratio margin, you are not on an IKNS rdslam.  The 1 interleaver depth just means that you are on fast path.  This is also confirmed by your modem's adsl statistics page near the top.  You are connected to a different type of DSLAM OR RDSLAM than me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Of course i knew you were serious!  So, when do we<br>get good close-ups taken from the top of that pole?<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1267354" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1267354');">Bicephale</a>:</small><br><br>You bet!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif"><br> </div>You are laughing but in reality, I think you know that while I was joking, I was actually being serious at the same time.<br><br>With this TP-Link TD-8840 (with Td-8841 firmware) modem, I have noticed another trend that holds true when compared to the Speedtouch 516.  The lower the Downstream power number, the better my stats get.  Nothing has changed on my setup.  It was simply a matter of rebooting my modem to get a lower downstream power amount and higher signal to noise ratio margin. <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23367007?c=1491245&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="54545 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1491245.thumb600~13e0c43d8a20224f34e67edb8b5516b9/dmt20091119_1842.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>note the lower downstream power output, TD-8840</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : You bet!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1267354" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1267354');">Bicephale</a>:</small><br><br>...or if one can climb on top of his pole to install a<br>MoDem over there!...<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/40.gif"><br> </div>Knowing my luck, installing my modem on top fo the pole will probably give me worse results!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : ...or if one can climb on top of his pole to install a<br>MoDem over there!...<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/40.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : My screenshots could lead people to believe that DSL works better at longer distances.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I'm sure we both know what it means to talk about<br>a paradox ("Bridge Tap")!  Actually, the word i'm not<br>happy with is "<i>envelope</i>" as i tried to designate the<br>3rd curve in grey - which could easily lead to some<br>real misunderstanding.  Sorry!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/10.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Haha, you don't have an appropriate word any more  to describe this crazy paradox.<br><br>My TD-8441 (cough, cough. sorry, I mean TD-8840) does pretty much does the same with as the Speedtouch 516 did with "normal" wiring.   However, the Speedtouch 516 seemed to enjoy "messed up wiring" more than my tp-link modem.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : <br>More SNR Margin with a lesser "envelope" seems to<br>confirm the presence of a (...) paradox once again!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/10.gif"><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23364469?c=1491121&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="31991 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=545 HEIGHT=386 SRC="/r0/download/1491121~9530cc6221522c50c48cc69202dd76d8/DSLRocker%20-%20Moving%20Around%20(2009-Nov-19)%20.GIF"></A><br>DSLRocker - Moving Around (2009-Nov-19)</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Suddenly, the effects of my strange wiring do seem as great as before.  This TD-8840 with TD-8841 firmware installed doesn't seem to care as much and doesn't seem to benefit as much by my strange wiring signal boost as much my Speedtouch 516 did.  This leads me to wonder if the  Speedtouch 516's attainable rates might have been exhagerated when used in combination with my improvised wiring solution.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23364283?c=1491106&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="54589 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1491106.thumb600~710dd5ebb7f6d884a0c8cf862476c27c/dmt20091119_1011.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>normal, conventional wiring, with centralized microfilter in basement</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23364283?c=1491107&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53802 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1491107.thumb600~a2f6f02dedbf31640cfa96b5a0cefe76/dmt20091119_1029.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>improvised, improved wiring</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : Oh, and look here for documentation from other clone sources:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,23230372">TP-Link TD-8841 MoDem - Exploration & Discoveries Part 2</A><br><br>...especially the TelNet CLI "bibles"!<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/79.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I believe that the readers who are interested into the<br>present thread should read this one (and vice-versa):<br><br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22796165">TP-LINK TD-W8920G toughts and review, cw30751, 2009-Jul-31</a><br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : A TP-Link TD-8841 clone for thirty-some dollars?<br><br>That's worth a trophee, i just didn't have time to<br>change the base...<br><br><IMG SRC="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9480/trophyfinal1vq1.jpg"><br><br><IMG SRC="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-music013.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/635992" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=635992');">dslrocker3</a>:</small><br><br>Bicephale, I have a little riddle for you.... Can you figure out what the riddle is and what it means?<br> </div>In case anyone else noticed, I have a TD-8840 v1.3 modem.  There are no firmware updates available on the tp-link website.  Tp-link uses the same packaging for the v1.3 harware version of the TD-8841 (with only a sticker on the side of the box to tell you which one you have in hand) and they both look identical with the exception of the TD-8840 lacking the USB port.<br><br>I went to the tp-link techncial support website and puprosely flashed the TD-8841 v1 firmware to my modem and it works fine.  The web interface now seems more snappy and I have gained a quick setup option and a disconnect/connect PPP button. Doing this of course voids the manufacturer's warranty but honestly, who's going to actually pay $10 to $15 to ship a modem back for repair/warranty servicing when they only cost about $20 to $30 to begin with?<br><br>After taxes and currency conversion, my unit came out to exactly $34 (canadian dollars), purchased from Gentek on Ebay.  &raquo;<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200404879846&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT" >cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie&middot;&middot;&middot;MEWAX:IT</A> <br><br>That's not exactly the lowest price I have ever seen on a DSL modem but considering that it's the Broadcom chipset (vs. the generally cheaper and more widely available Trend chip TP-Link modems) and also considering that it includes free shipping to anywhere in Canada or the lower U.S., it's not bad at all.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : There is the HTTP server and also there is the TelNet one,<br>my suggestion is that you use both to generate logs that i<br>can try to combine later...<br><br><IMG SRC="http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1267354" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1267354');">Bicephale</a>:</small><br><br>I'm more curious to<br>see long-term statistics, is it not possible to collect<br>DS/US CRC/HEC/FEC Error Rates by combining both<br>'DMT v8.07' and 'RouterStats', if necessary, as i did<br>explain in the post i've linked to previously?...<br> </div>downstream CRC's would be possible as well as up and downstream FEC and HEC.  However, in the spot in the modem's interface where it should show the upstream CRC's, it just says "N/A".  "N/A" isn't going to help us make graphs for US CRC. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I'll leave the interleaving depth matter to our friends<br>who are customers outside Bell's territory since we<br>don't have Interleaving options and hence few of us<br>here are familiar with this concept of academic value<br>only, for all practical purposes...  I'm more curious to<br>see long-term statistics, is it not possible to collect<br>DS/US CRC/HEC/FEC Error Rates by combining both<br>'DMT v8.07' and 'RouterStats', if necessary, as i did<br>explain in the post i've linked to previously?...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Bicephale, I have a little riddle for you.... Can you figure out what the riddle is and what it means?<br><br>DMT 8.07 now reports an interleaving depth for me.  However, pings of 15 to 20ms are still possible. :)    <br>DMT now reports downstream interleaving but upstream fast path! LOL!<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23362550?c=1490994&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="51084 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1490994.thumb600~7f62ab8563e5b74fc0fc1e8a75e7fd03/ScreenHunter_01 Nov. 18 22.31.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23362550?c=1490996&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="53775 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=449 SRC="/r0/download/1490996.thumb600~f6856836df81a57100819029d7521cf3/dmt20091118_2239 modified td-8840 to 8841 firmware.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23362550?c=1490999&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMjI1NzAxNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="73409 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1490999.thumb600~63debc067ec789af94fdfc0c6d8423f2/ScreenHunter_01 Nov. 18 22.49.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>take note of the different interleaving depths and delays for upstream and downstream</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dslrocker3 posted : Bicephale, it's interesting that you mentioned how DMT 8.07 is missing some of the important  error types in diagnosis mode.<br><br>I was just about to comment about how I've never seen 1 upstream CRC in any of my DMT 8.07 screenshots.  And in the modem's web interface, the modem just says "N/A" for upstream uncorrected errors.  So it would appear that the generic broadcoms just aren't capable of reporting upsteram CRC errors.  :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bicephale posted : I think you'll want to revisit this post/thread:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,22552179">Re: OrbMT on D-Link DSL 2320B</A><br><br> ;)]]></description>
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