http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22262125 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:41:43 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:41:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22733407 SSX4life : Oddly enough, I just picked up a Laserjet 1022n for 35$ at a yard sale.

50% toner
3000 pages
Clean Rollers
Clean Fuser

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Sam]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732394 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:25:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22720838 whymeintrouble : just a heads up, if you have a freecycle group near you, you may wish to subscribe and keep an eye on there. I had received a LJ 4 in good outside condition. needed to do some roller replacement, after a $25 investment she be running like brand new, at my mom's house :D easy mother's day present !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22720838 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:00:33 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22720415 Subaru : I have a LJ 4 great printer picked it up for $25 shipped on ebay.

Almost near 200,000 pages printed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22720415 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:43:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22639765 anon : HP Laserjet 5/5N. I have one on the router and one hanging off a pc in the garage. Got one from the thrift for 8 bucks with 25,000 pages on it. One of the most solid printers I have ever used. We have some in our stockroom that have been in constant use for over 10 years. probably a million+ pages on the things. Drums and rollers have been the only maintenance that I know of. Maybe a fuser or 2 in that time. They run 3 shifts all year except major holidays and they are not turned off then. They just sit there and run and run and run,,,,,and run,,,,,and run. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22639765 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:32:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601254 Wily_One : I have to disagree on the "newer is more expensive" opinion of the OP. I have a Dell 3010cn (which is color) that's almost 3 years old, and I have yet had to add any toner. Black is down to 10%, but it's been saying that for a while - we have printed 3,700 pages over the life of the printer. (Note that the manufacturer lists the yield at 2,000 pages, which we have far exceeded.) When I do finally have to buy toner, it's only $45 for a new cartridge. The second-hand price would be half that.

Maybe a used, 10 year-old model is cheaper, but I know my printer is a helluva lot cheaper to run than an inkjet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22601254 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:52:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598502 stormbow : Another 6p owner, run it off an external jet-direct and it works great. As for drivers, windows comes with standard basic drivers that work without all the junk from the HP drivers. Just make sure the printer you're getting has built in drivers and you should be good. Also, the 4000 series has lots of options as well as the "n" models having jet-directs (networking) built-in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22598502 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:54:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597703 RWild : I know that the LJ4 and LJ5s use the same toner cartridge and believe the LJ6 does, too. I have a 4M (on a Linksys printer server) and a 5M (internal ethernet). The 4M sometimes has trouble with complex PCL pages and is pretty slow in PS mode. The 5M is happy in PCL or PS mode. Both have had very heavy but sporadic use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22597703 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:56:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596839 anon : These were all good suggestions. I did some more research and found that any of the 4-series, 5-series, 6-series units are true workhorses and cheap to operate. Likewise the 1000-4000 units seem pretty good also.

Looks like those were all winners. Refill toner cartridges are cheap for all of them. Learn to love the parallel port!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596839 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:51:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596507 adamtech78 : I replaced my HP 4M+ when the rollers started to get really bad.

Now I have a 4100 and am super happy. Installed 133 or so MB of ram and second tray. This thing is a total work horse. That's why I reccommended one to my brother and he has a 4050 model.

At work we got a new printing contract and are phasing out our Dell 1700 printers which never gives us problems mostly, in favour of HP. We'll actually be purchasing a few refurb 4100's instead of freebie printers Apple want to throw with a new order.

The only thing really to watch for is to replace rollers when they start to slick.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596507 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:56:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22596415 banditws6 : I still have the HP LaserJet 4P that I bought new in...1994, was it? You absolutely cannot kill that thing. It's a little slow to start up, but it's built solid.
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Again thanks, this is a great post!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22594202 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:47:25 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22278060 Subaru : I brought a HP LaserJET 4 off ebay for around $25 it has over 129,000 pages printed and it's still running strong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22278060 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:46:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22266061 SSX4life : Another vote for the HP 4000 series printers. Solid support and cheap refills on the toner. We still have plenty at my place of work (university).

They are built like tanks and have 300K pages and still going.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22266061 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:24:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22265829 anon : That's what I'm talking about! Good age, too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22265829 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:44:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22265534 mworks : Hp laserjet 6P
Got two of them at a local auction for $5.
Both work great and are about 10 years old. When I connected one and used software to query pages printed , it was over 28,000.

Very cheap to refill. About $20]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22265534 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:52:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22265512 anon : In reply to BA, I understand your point, but you are comparing new-to-new. I would still say without any hesitation that the drivers for the new model will be bloated and in-your-face, and it is HIGHLY unlikely that the new printer will have the same lifespan as those old models. And how about those date-expiration microchips in the new supplies? I often use old supplies that are 10 days old and they work fine. Can't do that anymore with microchip date expirations.

But new vs new is not really the issue -- the minute that I buy a new unit at a retail store, and buy retail-purchased supplies because the product is too new for new surplus supplies to be sold by liquidators, I have already lost big-time vs buying a OLD used model (which in all honesty won't cost much of anything) and buying surplus ink/toner from liquidators.

This is the reason why I annually print with my old inkjet almost for free (less than $10 per year). I pay $2 - $3 each for cartridges on fleabay instead of $30 ea at retail. My cartridges hold 4 to 8 times more ink than new models. And I get a free ream of paper (or $3 cash credit) when I recycle the old cartridge, which means I essentially get paper and ink for pennies, although you still need to buy some additional reams of paper because you print a lot more than 1 ream of paper per cartridge. FACT.

With an annual $200 savings, and this is a conservative estimate, if they PAID me $500 to take a new printer and forced me to use it, I would be at a LOSS by the third year.

Easy math.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22265512 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:49:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22264384 happy4ya : If you can find a used HP Laserjet 1000 or 1200 they work great....we have one of each at work and my dad and I both have a laserjet 1000 at home and you can get toner cartridges for about $30 online.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22264384 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:25:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22264316 BA : MSRP of the LaserJet 4L in 1993: $650

If you take into account CPI and inflation, you would need to fork out roughly $950 for the $650 you paid in 1993.

Let's say you want to spend $500 today for a printer. The LaserJet P3005 has an MSRP of $549. Using MSRP figures for the appropriate HP toner cartridge, it costs $0.022 per page.

If you're buying the same class of printer that you did 10-15 years ago, the cost per page should be the same if not lower. The $100-200 laser printers certainly have a higher TCO, but that's to be expected.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22264316 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:43:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263702 anon : Thanks for the suggestions. I will investigate those models.

New printers, both inkjet and laser, and much higher cost per page, and far lower build quality. You can find new laser's as low as $60 - just saw one in a weekly ad flyer -- but the toner cartridges are a major cost and cost per page sucks. Likewise, supplies are always most expensive when you have to go the retail store to get them, instead of thru surplus outlets, such as 'fleabay'.

I currently use a 10 year old HP inkjet, and every year I save $200 in printing costs. This is fact vs a modern printer, and I have saved this amount for the past six years. And I replace the ink cartridge far less than these new units of which some models hold as little as 1/8th of the volume of ink as my old unit. Quite pathetic. Of course, these old printers are mainly black and white, parallel port, etc. They would not serve the needs of a lot of people, but they fit my needs perfectly.

Furthermore, these new printer drivers totally suck. They bloat your OS, bombard you with pop-ups about running low on ink-toner-supplies, etc. Sorry, I do not play that game. I'll use an old printer that has simple fat-free driver built into the OS, and have a pleasant printing experience.

Thanks for the model suggestions above.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263702 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:05:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263560 signmeuptoo : Is that true, that newer LASER printers are more expensive to use? This is the first I have heard of it so I have to ask.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263560 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:38:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263438 pandora : You may wish to visit a place like epinions and search for laser printer. My experience with reviews there has been pretty good.

The votes seem to go with the HP Laserjet 4050 or 4050n. It is a printer that has been around for years and constantly seems to get stellar reviews.
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Looking for suggestions for an old Laser printer (Black and White) that would have a very low operating cost. Will be printing approx 50-75 pages per day. Can be parallel port or usb. Looking for SOLID build quality (no junk), and affordable ink/toner. Speed is not important, and color is not important.

I do not want any new models, as they ALL have lower build quality and MUCH MUCH higher per-page printing cost. Must be a model where toner/ink is available on the second-hand market, and must work with Vista (I think almost every old HP model has basic Windows drivers even now.)

For example, I remember working in an office circa 1992 and they were using HP Laserjet 4-something printers. They were built like a tank and print quality was good. Of course those models would be 16+ years old at this point, so probably not much life left in them. But that is the general idea.

Suggestions welcome. Simple - Reliable - Cheap to Operate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22262125 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:33:45 EDT