me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I dislike when people steal songs, but
What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi, And maybe if the music makers made good songs like in the 50s/60s and not the (mostly IMHO)carp they do today more people would actually buy their stuff. |
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swhitney2003
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| said by me1212  :What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi Easy, password protect your wifi. |
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robl27
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| wrong.. how about when the RIAA steals from the artist? this is about CONTROL. wake up people! if they don't want to be ISP's and offer bandwidth for a reasonable charge then offer ti to someone who will handle it.
you are all brainwashed by the media, stop buying cd's and start supporting artists in other ways. each artist gets 25 cents per disc bought.
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT | The artists agree to terms with the record labels. They have no one to blame but themselves. |
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Killa200
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said by me1212 :What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi Then you should still be held accountable for your lack of diligence to secure your line.
The "my neighbor was using my unsecured wireless" excuse compares to hanging a sign in your brand new dodge viper that says "take if you would like", while simultaneously leaving the keys in the car, with it opened and running. Then trying to prosecute after it is stolen. |
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swhitney2003
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said by robl27 :wrong.. how about when the RIAA steals from the artist? this is about CONTROL. wake up people! if they don't want to be ISP's and offer bandwidth for a reasonable charge then offer ti to someone who will handle it. you are all brainwashed by the media, stop buying cd's and start supporting artists in other ways. each artist gets 25 cents per disc bought. -Rob I don't see what you were saying is wrong about what I said. I simply gave a simple solution to a simple problem. Your pay for your internet connection. If you cannot protect it then you have the right to lose it. Ignorance is not a reason to redeem yourself. |
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major marco
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said by Killa200 :The "my neighbor was using my unsecured wireless" excuse compares to hanging a sign in your brand new dodge viper that says "take if you would like", while simultaneously leaving the keys in the car, with it opened and running. Then trying to prosecute after it is stolen. LMAO. That's still considered theft, Johnny Cochran. The definition is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. A sign in the window with the keys in the ignition, the door open and the motor running does not equal freely given consent.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to Killa200
Security codes can be cracked. |
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kaila
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Unless the artists have the brains to come up with a business plan and cash or investors to finance studio time and marketing, they really don't have much of a choice, let alone bargaining power to negotiate terms.
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Killa200
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Spring City, TN | reply to major marco
Fine, i'll get a signature on the sign first, 
But you know what i am saying. |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
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said by kaila :Unless the artists have the brains to come up with a business plan and cash or investors to finance studio time and marketing, they really don't have much of a choice, let alone bargaining power to negotiate terms. Yep. Clearly they need the labels to make the investment to produce the product and do the marketing. As a result the labels reap most of the profits since they are taking all the risk. If they want to monetize their art and cannot do it themselves they will have to pay a hefty fee. |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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uh, a sufficiently (as in it doesn't show up in rainbow tables) unique AP name with WPA-PSK strong WPA-PSK is uncrackable to most average users. WEP obviously can be cracked. the only way that i know to 'crack' wpa-enterprise is to some how get a hold of the security certificates. |
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Mark F
join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to me1212
I sometimes can't believe the stuff that seems to pass as rock and roll these days. I agree that if the music was better, like it once was, people would respond positively.
Mark F. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
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said by jsz0 :The artists agree to terms with the record labels. They have no one to blame but themselves. There is a huge monopoly when it comes to publishing music, or there has been until now. The internet does the job that publishers used to do: expose the music to the world so people will buy merchandise and fill up stadiums to see the band. That is exactly why the recording industry is trying so hard to shut down music trading, it's doing their job for them FOR FREE. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
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said by cornelius785 :uncrackable to most average users. So you admit my client is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, thank you. Your honor, I rest my case. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
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said by swhitney2003 :said by me1212 :What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi Easy, password protect your wifi. Please allow me to point out what I believe to be a few flaws with your statement.
First, most people who buy wireless routers don't even know how to set them up. It's a given that just driving down the street will turn up SSIDs of linksys, dlink, belkin, netgear, eHome, and others all broadcasting unsecured. In most cases, the default password is still intact as well.
Actually, to say that they are "secured" is an oxymoron. Most people who did by some chance "secure" their access points have older hardware, and by limitation, can only secure with as high as WEP, which as anyone who follows the 802.11 spec, should know, is about as secure and putting a glass window between a Ferrari and the Keys in the ignition, and the outside world. (»www.techworld.com/security/news/···sid=8456)
So of course, one might say "use WPA". Of course the hardware limitation re-presents itself once more. Then again, a proof-of-concept of cracking WPA was presented in 2004. By the end of last year, WPA was being cracked in 12 minutes. (»www.pcworld.com/article/153396/.html)
Now the obvious conclusion here would be to suggest the usage of WPA2. Once again, the factor of hardware limitations rears its head; and this time, it does so with a vengeance.
Blocking by MAC address? How secure! (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_spoofing)
Not broadcasting your SSID? I think I just chuckled.
Now this is not a personal attack. The point is that there truthfully is no way to secure a wireless link. If someone wants in bad enough, they will get in. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
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said by james :said by cornelius785 :uncrackable to most average users. So you admit my client is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, thank you. Your honor, I rest my case. And right there, is enough to win a trial by jury. |
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Grail Knight
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wrong.. how about when the RIAA steals from the artist? this is about CONTROL. wake up people!
Would that not be between the Artists and the RIAA?
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Jaghar
join:2001-01-30
Painesville, OH
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I really hate that argument.
Let me put it this way.
Do you look the doors and windows in your house?
If not, is it because you are in an secure area where the threat of crime is low?
If so....why? Anybody can bust a window or door and get in.
Just as you say, most people don't know how to set up a wireless router, and even LESS know how to hack through the security.
Lock your router just like you do your other things (cars, homes, etc.).
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wentlanc
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join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | The lock is there to show the owners intention. Not to actually keep anyone out. Same with Wifi. If I put on WEP, I cannot be held liable because someone else thwarted my basic security. The attempt had been made to keep them out...
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