http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271370 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:55:54 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:55:54 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22296142
The Gov't should stay out of the business world and worry how they're going to balance their budget for the year and how they're going to spend their stimulus money wisely. NOT irresponsibly. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22296142 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:25:54 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22281149
Basically, the point is, incumbent moves to block municipalities and towns etc from building their own networks are self-serving BS.
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If they chose to do so, they could easily enact a law preventing Such and Such Cable Co from "dumping".
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22279770 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:52:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274617 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274617 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:51:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274335
And Yes the cable industry would win. Cable is an Information Service. Telco's are not. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274335 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:09:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274252 quote:

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The gov't can NOT tell a business how they set their prices unless its a Phone Company setting prices for dial-tone services. I'd like to see the Gov't go to TWC and Comcast and tell them they can't raise their prices anymore.

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The Government can set prices if they decide to regulate Cable Cos like the Telcos. You are assuming that the Cable Cos would win a lawsuit against the FCC if they choose to regulate--if the cable co loses they could be on the hook for the Govt's legal cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274252 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:55:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274145 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22274145 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:37:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22273074 said by battleop:

"Ban cities from pricing service below the cost of providing the service."I'm all for a ban like this. Provided the local Cable companies and Telcos also have such a regulation that prohibits them from dumping their products below cost to put the public network under. Which is really the point of this ban: Force them to have a minimum price they can legally charge, then we'll lose money for a few years pricing under that price until it folds up and is sold off, then we'll go back to our gouging ways.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22273074 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:44:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22272918 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22272918 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:18:09 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22272532 said by battleop:

Once the small providers are gone then you end up with things like Caps, by the byte billing and any other way the big guys get away with screwing your eyes out.
Haven't you noticed that except in areas the big guys don't consider profitable enough the little guys are going away anyway. It's not like that many members of Congress or State Legislators expect AT&T & TWC to be responsible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22272532 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:12:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271624 , while in an idealistic world I would agree with you, the fact is if the smaller ISP doesn't have the gumption to work with city government then they deserve the same fate as the big boys who won't deploy.

I've worked with a lot of city governments, both small and mid-sized, and they LOVE for small business to get involved and take the initiative on things like this. So I don't for one second feel bad for the little guys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271624 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:28:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271599
Once the small providers are gone then you end up with things like Caps, by the byte billing and any other way the big guys get away with screwing your eyes out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271599 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:25:29 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271558 said by battleop:

If comcast runs out of money in their ventures they can go to someone who will willing give them money. If the City government runs out of money they go to the taxpayers who have to give the money if they are willing or not.
And the government NEVER gives free money to private business do they? Did you read the article? It mentions that in the past Embarq (the ILEC in the area) was given grants to build-out. Isn't that taxpayer money, only, it doesn't really benefit them as the return on that investment is piddly DSL.

You don't think government gives incentives, like tax breaks, right-of-way usage, and free land to local companies so they will come to their area? It's all taxpayer money, only in the case of the government, profits and golden parachutes aren't allowed so more of the money goes to benefit the citizens.

I'll take 100Mbps fiber for half the price any day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271558 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:18:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271556 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271556 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:18:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271542 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271542 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:15:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271522 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271522 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:12:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271392 »Comcast Vs. Utopia
»'Discounted' Competition

...or Verizon who in competitive markets charges FAR less for 50Mb service than they do in other markets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271392 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:50:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271370
"Ban cities from pricing service below the cost of providing the service."

Oh you mean like run the network like a real business and not a government agency? If they would only apply this law to everything government does.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/When-you-dont-have-to-be-responsible-22271370 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:46:40 EDT